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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 30, 2024 19:50:34 GMT
I'd love to hear novastar6's thoughts on Disney/Pixar's Inside Out 2 grossing $1B.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 30, 2024 19:59:53 GMT
I'd love to hear novastar6's thoughts on Disney/Pixar's Inside Out 2 grossing $1B. A movie about a girl and her feelings, no less. Nova's version would be a boy with 5 Scottish drunks in his head all ranting about minorities.
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Post by janntosh on Jun 30, 2024 20:15:42 GMT
I'd love to hear novastar6's thoughts on Disney/Pixar's Inside Out 2 grossing $1B. A movie about a girl and her feelings, no less. Nova's version would be a boy with 5 Scottish drunks in his head all ranting about minorities. Inside Out is about a girl, but the general emotion stuff in both movies is pretty universally appealing. Also, if you go on social media some are actually complaining Inside Out 2 plays it too safe and Pixar is “listening to the haters” Of movies like Lightyear and Turning Red
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 30, 2024 21:22:33 GMT
A movie about a girl and her feelings, no less. Nova's version would be a boy with 5 Scottish drunks in his head all ranting about minorities. Inside Out is about a girl, but the general emotion stuff in both movies is pretty universally appealing. Also, if you go on social media some are actually complaining Inside Out 2 plays it too safe and Pixar is “listening to the haters” Of movies like Lightyear and Turning Red It's curious that being about and starring a female stops mattering once it contradicts the "go woke, go broke" narrative.
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Post by janntosh on Jun 30, 2024 21:39:18 GMT
Inside Out is about a girl, but the general emotion stuff in both movies is pretty universally appealing. Also, if you go on social media some are actually complaining Inside Out 2 plays it too safe and Pixar is “listening to the haters” Of movies like Lightyear and Turning Red It's curious that being about and starring a female stops mattering once it contradicts the "go woke, go broke" narrative. don't think a female lead was ever what that was about. It was always about girl bosses, demonizing male characters, hamfisted social commentary etc.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 30, 2024 21:50:45 GMT
It's curious that being about and starring a female stops mattering once it contradicts the "go woke, go broke" narrative. don't think a female lead was ever what that was about. It was always about girl bosses, demonizing male characters, hamfisted social commentary etc. You're currently engaged in argument with Rey Kehuka about a movie that does none of those things as we speak. Don't be disingenuous.
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Post by janntosh on Jun 30, 2024 21:59:14 GMT
don't think a female lead was ever what that was about. It was always about girl bosses, demonizing male characters, hamfisted social commentary etc. You're currently engaged in argument with Rey Kehuka about a movie that does none of those things as we speak. Don't be disingenuous. Not doing it as badly as stuff like the recent Star Wars, Marvel, Lord of the Rings Amazon show, or Terminator films is nothing to celebrate
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 30, 2024 22:11:46 GMT
It's curious that being about and starring a female stops mattering once it contradicts the "go woke, go broke" narrative. don't think a female lead was ever what that was about. It was always about girl bosses, demonizing male characters, hamfisted social commentary etc. Basically this. There are instances of hypersensitivity with what is commonly associated with the modern outlook on "woke" and depending on the commercial appeal of the product it can either find undeserving failure or undeserving success. I also think in the case of Inside Out 2 there is more commercial appeal going for it than something like a Furiosa with the new emotions and the audience is more diversified in the age range. (for the record, I am comparing it to Furiosa because it was also female led, and was a spin-off/prequel to a movie as old as the original Inside Out, they both saw release the same exact summer in 2015)
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Post by novastar6 on Jun 30, 2024 23:47:25 GMT
I'd love to hear novastar6 's thoughts on Disney/Pixar's Inside Out 2 grossing $1B.
School's out, theaters can run films 4-5 times a day as opposed to only 2-3 when school's in, and with the only other current options being A Quiet Place or Bad Boys, etc., it seems like a no brainer parents are going to send/take their kids en masse to the only kids' movie that's playing. The real question, if it had come out next week with Despicable Me 4, who would be leading?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 1, 2024 0:07:03 GMT
I'd love to hear novastar6 's thoughts on Disney/Pixar's Inside Out 2 grossing $1B.
School's out, theaters can run films 4-5 times a day as opposed to only 2-3 when school's in, and with the only other current options being A Quiet Place or Bad Boys, etc., it seems like a no brainer parents are going to send/take their kids en masse to the only kids' movie that's playing. The real question, if it had come out next week with Despicable Me 4, who would be leading?
But I thought people were rejecting Disney and 'woke Hollywood' on general principle? This is something you've insisted on multiple boards across this forum. That movies weren't making money because the audience was tired of THE MESSAGE or whatever? Here you are earlier on the thread: And Inside Out 2 is a soulless sequel. I guess people are willing to sell out their principles and take their kids to see 'the message' (whatever that is) now that school is out.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 1, 2024 0:57:21 GMT
School's out, theaters can run films 4-5 times a day as opposed to only 2-3 when school's in, and with the only other current options being A Quiet Place or Bad Boys, etc., it seems like a no brainer parents are going to send/take their kids en masse to the only kids' movie that's playing. The real question, if it had come out next week with Despicable Me 4, who would be leading?
But I thought people were rejecting Disney and 'woke Hollywood' on general principle? This is something you've insisted on multiple boards across this forum. That movies weren't making money because the audience was tired of THE MESSAGE or whatever? Here you are earlier on the thread: And Inside Out 2 is a soulless sequel. I guess people are willing to sell out their principles and take their kids to see 'the message' (whatever that is) now that school is out. Give her a minute, Drinker hasn't told her what to think about all of this yet.
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Post by novastar6 on Jul 1, 2024 4:48:35 GMT
School's out, theaters can run films 4-5 times a day as opposed to only 2-3 when school's in, and with the only other current options being A Quiet Place or Bad Boys, etc., it seems like a no brainer parents are going to send/take their kids en masse to the only kids' movie that's playing. The real question, if it had come out next week with Despicable Me 4, who would be leading?
But I thought people were rejecting Disney and 'woke Hollywood' on general principle? This is something you've insisted on multiple boards across this forum. That movies weren't making money because the audience was tired of THE MESSAGE or whatever? Here you are earlier on the thread: And Inside Out 2 is a soulless sequel. I guess people are willing to sell out their principles and take their kids to see 'the message' (whatever that is) now that school is out.
One kids movie vs. 3 R-rated movies playing simultaneously in theaters, again, it's a no brainer, people want to take their kids to something, and this one didn't exactly beat people over the head with everything is white cis hetero mens' faults in the promos, did it? Actually there was very little of ANYTHING to go on by the TV ads, so for people just looking for ANYTHING they can take their kids to, it was enough. Personally, if I was the age range for this movie, just based on what the TV spots show us, I wouldn't have any interest in seeing it, because I wouldn't have any idea what the hell it's about.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 1, 2024 12:00:40 GMT
But I thought people were rejecting Disney and 'woke Hollywood' on general principle? This is something you've insisted on multiple boards across this forum. That movies weren't making money because the audience was tired of THE MESSAGE or whatever? Here you are earlier on the thread: And Inside Out 2 is a soulless sequel. I guess people are willing to sell out their principles and take their kids to see 'the message' (whatever that is) now that school is out.
One kids movie vs. 3 R-rated movies playing simultaneously in theaters, again, it's a no brainer, people want to take their kids to something, and this one didn't exactly beat people over the head with everything is white cis hetero mens' faults in the promos, did it? Actually there was very little of ANYTHING to go on by the TV ads, so for people just looking for ANYTHING they can take their kids to, it was enough. Personally, if I was the age range for this movie, just based on what the TV spots show us, I wouldn't have any interest in seeing it, because I wouldn't have any idea what the hell it's about.
The competition or lack thereof never seems to be relevant to your argument when a movie bombs. But after insisting nobody wants to see anything anymore because Hollywood has gone woke, suddenly there are all these qualifiers when a movie actually succeeds. Go figure. People weren't looking for ANYTHING to take their kids to over the last few years until this came out, eh? If people are as concerned with wokeism as you are (which you constantly imply is the case, specifically with Disney flops), you'd think they'd be a little wearier of what Disney movies they were taking their kids to. Also if you can't tell what the movie is about from the trailers, you're pretty fucking stupid. My 9 year old wants to see it, but we haven't gotten around to it yet. Probably wait for it to come Disney+ at this point. As for me, I haven't even seen the first one.
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Post by janntosh on Jul 1, 2024 12:09:57 GMT
One kids movie vs. 3 R-rated movies playing simultaneously in theaters, again, it's a no brainer, people want to take their kids to something, and this one didn't exactly beat people over the head with everything is white cis hetero mens' faults in the promos, did it? Actually there was very little of ANYTHING to go on by the TV ads, so for people just looking for ANYTHING they can take their kids to, it was enough. Personally, if I was the age range for this movie, just based on what the TV spots show us, I wouldn't have any interest in seeing it, because I wouldn't have any idea what the hell it's about.
The competition or lack thereof never seems to be relevant to your argument when a movie bombs. But after insisting nobody wants to see anything anymore because Hollywood has gone woke, suddenly there are all these qualifiers when a movie actually succeeds. Go figure. People weren't looking for ANYTHING to take their kids to over the last few years until this came out, eh? If people are as concerned with wokeism as you are (which you constantly imply is the case, specifically with Disney flops), you'd think they'd be a little wearier of what Disney movies they were taking their kids to. Also if you can't tell what the movie is about from the trailers, you're pretty fucking stupid. My 9 year old wants to see it, but we haven't gotten around to it yet. Probably wait for it to come Disney+ at this point. As for me, I haven't even seen the first one. Conservatives have more kids than liberals so they probably control the spending for kids material more. That's why the backlash really hurt Lightyear and Strange World and why Elemental opened poorly (when people heard it was "Safe" for their kids, they went). Inside Out 2 is a sequel so people probably assumed it was alright
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 1, 2024 12:44:21 GMT
The competition or lack thereof never seems to be relevant to your argument when a movie bombs. But after insisting nobody wants to see anything anymore because Hollywood has gone woke, suddenly there are all these qualifiers when a movie actually succeeds. Go figure. People weren't looking for ANYTHING to take their kids to over the last few years until this came out, eh? If people are as concerned with wokeism as you are (which you constantly imply is the case, specifically with Disney flops), you'd think they'd be a little wearier of what Disney movies they were taking their kids to. Also if you can't tell what the movie is about from the trailers, you're pretty fucking stupid. My 9 year old wants to see it, but we haven't gotten around to it yet. Probably wait for it to come Disney+ at this point. As for me, I haven't even seen the first one. Conservatives have more kids than liberals so they probably control the spending for kids material more. That's why the backlash really hurt Lightyear and Strange World and why Elemental opened poorly (when people heard it was "Safe" for their kids, they went). Inside Out 2 is a sequel so people probably assumed it was alright Yeah, that must be it. Dial of Destiny was a sequel and failed, but this movie succeeded because it was a sequel, 'so people probably assumed it was alright.' Or maybe the stuff you imagine is a problem isn't actually a problem? What will you come up with next? You guys still haven't explained how Barbie did so well last year. It could've been titled Woke: The Movie, and it made over a billion. (And Elemental? The text of the movie, not just the subtext, is learning to accept and coexist with people who are different from you. It's not exactly subtle. From the trailer-- "We all live by one simple rule." Old lady: "Elements cannot mix!" Christ, I got tired of the preaching and stopped watching after 15 minutes. But I guess that kind of condescension wasn't as offensive to whatever conservatives you're referring to because the characters are just air or fire elementals, there was no white male antagonist on screen to prove that Hollywood hates white people.)
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Post by janntosh on Jul 1, 2024 12:47:54 GMT
Conservatives have more kids than liberals so they probably control the spending for kids material more. That's why the backlash really hurt Lightyear and Strange World and why Elemental opened poorly (when people heard it was "Safe" for their kids, they went). Inside Out 2 is a sequel so people probably assumed it was alright Yeah, that must be it. Dial of Destiny was a sequel and failed, but this movie succeeded because it was a sequel, 'so people probably assumed it was alright.' Or maybe the stuff you imagine is a problem isn't actually a problem? What will you come up with next? You guys still haven't explained how Barbie did so well last year. It could've been titled Woke: The Movie, and it made over a billion. (And Elemental? The text of the movie, not just the subtext, is learning to accept and coexist with people who are different from you. It's not exactly subtle. From the trailer-- "We all live by one simple rule." Old lady: "Elements cannot mix!" Christ, I got tired of the preaching and stopped watching after 15 minutes. But I guess that kind of condescension wasn't as offensive to whatever conservatives you're referring to because the characters are just air or fire elementals, there was no white male antagonist on screen to prove that Hollywood hates white people.) It’s called knowing your audience. A movie like Barbie was able to heavily appeal and tap into that female audience What progressives online are demanding though is they take what was done with Barbie and transplant that into other franchises. Nobody demanded Barbie be changed to appeal more to male audiences, but franchises like Star Wars and Marvel have to change to appeal more to female audiences.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 1, 2024 13:06:30 GMT
Yeah, that must be it. Dial of Destiny was a sequel and failed, but this movie succeeded because it was a sequel, 'so people probably assumed it was alright.' Or maybe the stuff you imagine is a problem isn't actually a problem? What will you come up with next? You guys still haven't explained how Barbie did so well last year. It could've been titled Woke: The Movie, and it made over a billion. (And Elemental? The text of the movie, not just the subtext, is learning to accept and coexist with people who are different from you. It's not exactly subtle. From the trailer-- "We all live by one simple rule." Old lady: "Elements cannot mix!" Christ, I got tired of the preaching and stopped watching after 15 minutes. But I guess that kind of condescension wasn't as offensive to whatever conservatives you're referring to because the characters are just air or fire elementals, there was no white male antagonist on screen to prove that Hollywood hates white people.) It’s called knowing your audience.A movie like Barbie was able to heavily appeal and tap into that female audience What progressives online are demanding though is they take what was done with Barbie and transplant that into other franchises. Nobody demanded Barbie be changed to appeal more to male audiences, but franchises like Star Wars and Marvel have to change to appeal more to female audiences. I completely agree. Making a Lightyear spinoff movie with a new voice actor, set away from the standard Toy Story universe in a way that felt completely disconnected, was a major mistake by the studio. But it must've been because it had a lesbian character. Making another Indiana Jones movie with an ancient character still adventuring, after the last installment (itself over 15 years ago) was seen as lackluster, may have been a mistake in retrospect. Maybe they didn't know their audience, or in that case, maybe the audience didn't know the film. What I know is that 'woke' films (like Barbie, which you could not pay me to watch) have been proven to make money; Dial of Destiny is not woke by any definition other than screaming youtubers; and Inside Out 2, a Disney movie no less, is a runaway hit, despite crackpots like novastar insisting nobody wants to see woke movies or Disney movies in general. And now you're all scrambling around, changing your arguments to make yourselves feel better.
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Post by janntosh on Jul 1, 2024 13:22:21 GMT
It’s called knowing your audience.A movie like Barbie was able to heavily appeal and tap into that female audience What progressives online are demanding though is they take what was done with Barbie and transplant that into other franchises. Nobody demanded Barbie be changed to appeal more to male audiences, but franchises like Star Wars and Marvel have to change to appeal more to female audiences. I completely agree. Making a Lightyear spinoff movie with a new voice actor, set away from the standard Toy Story universe in a way that felt completely disconnected, was a major mistake by the studio. But it must've been because it had a lesbian character. Making another Indiana Jones movie with an ancient character still adventuring, after the last installment (itself over 15 years ago) was seen as lackluster, may have been a mistake in retrospect. Maybe they didn't know their audience, or in that case, maybe the audience didn't know the film. What I know is that 'woke' films (like Barbie, which you could not pay me to watch) have been proven to make money; Dial of Destiny is not woke by any definition other than screaming youtubers; and Inside Out 2, a Disney movie no less, is a runaway hit, despite crackpots like novastar insisting nobody wants to see woke movies or Disney movies in general. And now you're all scrambling around, changing your arguments to make yourselves feel better. Don’t know if you work for Disney or anything but you seem to be whistling past the graveyard. One hit doesn’t change how they’ve damaged some of their biggest franchises
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 1, 2024 13:51:16 GMT
Yeah, that must be it. Dial of Destiny was a sequel and failed, but this movie succeeded because it was a sequel, 'so people probably assumed it was alright.' Or maybe the stuff you imagine is a problem isn't actually a problem? What will you come up with next? You guys still haven't explained how Barbie did so well last year. It could've been titled Woke: The Movie, and it made over a billion. (And Elemental? The text of the movie, not just the subtext, is learning to accept and coexist with people who are different from you. It's not exactly subtle. From the trailer-- "We all live by one simple rule." Old lady: "Elements cannot mix!" Christ, I got tired of the preaching and stopped watching after 15 minutes. But I guess that kind of condescension wasn't as offensive to whatever conservatives you're referring to because the characters are just air or fire elementals, there was no white male antagonist on screen to prove that Hollywood hates white people.) It’s called knowing your audience. A movie like Barbie was able to heavily appeal and tap into that female audience What progressives online are demanding though is they take what was done with Barbie and transplant that into other franchises. Nobody demanded Barbie be changed to appeal more to male audiences, but franchises like Star Wars and Marvel have to change to appeal more to female audiences. Again, are we just talking about having a female lead here? "Changed" is hardly the word I'd use for the two Abrams rehashes otherwise. Also, what is the actual problem with girls liking Star Wars?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 1, 2024 14:02:30 GMT
I completely agree. Making a Lightyear spinoff movie with a new voice actor, set away from the standard Toy Story universe in a way that felt completely disconnected, was a major mistake by the studio. But it must've been because it had a lesbian character. Making another Indiana Jones movie with an ancient character still adventuring, after the last installment (itself over 15 years ago) was seen as lackluster, may have been a mistake in retrospect. Maybe they didn't know their audience, or in that case, maybe the audience didn't know the film. What I know is that 'woke' films (like Barbie, which you could not pay me to watch) have been proven to make money; Dial of Destiny is not woke by any definition other than screaming youtubers; and Inside Out 2, a Disney movie no less, is a runaway hit, despite crackpots like novastar insisting nobody wants to see woke movies or Disney movies in general. And now you're all scrambling around, changing your arguments to make yourselves feel better. Don’t know if you work for Disney or anything but you seem to be whistling past the graveyard. One hit doesn’t change how they’ve damaged some of their biggest franchises This is the next argument I expected. Actually, it was the first. "Well, they've still had a bunch of other failures." You guys make up blanket arguments as to why all Disney/woke/Hollywood/whoever is to blame for your insecurity movies fail these days, then you have to come up with something else when they succeed. Hey, at least you haven't fallen back to "Disney must be buying out empty theaters to make it look like it's doing well," because that was an all-timer. I don't work for Disney. I just said I haven't seen either Inside Out movie and couldn't sit through Elemental. I hate the Star Wars sequel trilogy (not because it's 'woke,' but because the writing sucks). I just have an aversion to the culture war stupidity constantly displayed on this board.
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