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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jun 21, 2024 22:22:54 GMT
Albert Pujols for me. I think his career & resume stands the test of baseball lore - not least never juicing & making a mockery of those who did with his own HOF run. His post-season heroics give him the crown. Greg Maddux is there, Shohei is knocking on the door already. HM Rickey Henderson, Ichiro Suzuki. Cabrera, Jeter, Betts... guys like that deserve a whiff too. Trout has been too injured now & zero playoff wins. Griffey Jr. sunk when he went to the Reds. Maybe if the category was most over rated living player ever. The guy was treated like a fucking God yet was never even close to being the best player in the league. Who do you mean? Mays, Pujols, Rickey, Junior, Freddie Patek?
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jun 21, 2024 22:25:14 GMT
Maybe if the category was most over rated living player ever. The guy was treated like a fucking God yet was never even close to being the best player in the league. Who do you mean? Mays, Pujols, Rickey, Junior, Freddie Patek?
I think he's referring to Jeter. I think there's a certain amount of "overrated-ness" playing for the Yankees but Jeter did have an impressive career. Top 30 ever? Maybe not, but I wouldn't have minded him on the Phillies.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jun 22, 2024 0:29:31 GMT
Like Pete Rose, the longevity is a factor. In 19 seasons, he played in 145 or more games in all but three. Impressive, especially in the era when players go on the IL or hangnails. And he played on good teams his whole career. What numbers would he have put up in Pittsburgh or KC? Never won an MVP. You could make a case for Jeter in 1998 (Juan Gonzo and his 147 RBI's) and 2006 (Mourneau, I would have give it to Big Papi). Neither omission was a crime. At first, he was a sloppy fielder but he got better. Best SS ever, fuck no. Best of my lifetime, no. Cal and Ozzie were better, maybe Robin Yount, but he moved to OF.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jun 22, 2024 15:37:08 GMT
Who do you mean? Mays, Pujols, Rickey, Junior, Freddie Patek?
I think he's referring to Jeter. I think there's a certain amount of "overrated-ness" playing for the Yankees but Jeter did have an impressive career. Top 30 ever? Maybe not, but I wouldn't have minded him on the Phillies. I didn't catch the bold highlight, thought was referring to Pujols, & I walked slowly away. Jeter's 5 WS wins isn't nothing for me, helps his cause. 3465 hits isn't nothing either for me. I don't have him top 50, yet maybe top 100-150.
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Post by Shane Falco on Jun 22, 2024 22:25:26 GMT
I think he's referring to Jeter. I think there's a certain amount of "overrated-ness" playing for the Yankees but Jeter did have an impressive career. Top 30 ever? Maybe not, but I wouldn't have minded him on the Phillies. I didn't catch the bold highlight, thought was referring to Pujols, & I walked slowly away. Jeter's 5 WS wins isn't nothing for me, helps his cause. 3465 hits isn't nothing either for me. I don't have him top 50, yet maybe top 100-150. Jeter was indeed a great player, deserving hall of famer however at the same time he was incredibly over rated because he was the face of the Yankees and had a popular dating life that gave him more celebrity. The media treated him like a God and would praise every little play he made like it was the greatest thing in the world no matter how routine it was. Every shortstop in the league could make the same play but not ever get a glimpse of recognition, yet if Jeter did it they would act like it was the best play they've ever seen. Ozzie Smith he was not. If you never knew baseball or who Jeter was and relied strictly on the likes of ESPN to tell you, you would think Derek Jeter was the greatest player of all time. That he was Ozzie Smith, Rickey Henderson, Hank Aaron all rolled into one player. That's how he got over rated. He wasn't a bad player by any means its just that everything he did got more attention than it necessarily deserved.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jun 22, 2024 22:55:43 GMT
All of this talk about the greatest living player and not one mention of Carl Michael Yastrzemski. Shame on me. 3419 hits, 452 homers, .285 BA, three batting titles, one MVP and a Triple Crown. And one of the greatest clutch performances in history when he hoisted the "Impossible Dream" 1967 Red Sox on his back and took a pennant in a four team race. In the last two games, playing the tied for 1st Twins, he went 7 for 8. I think he hit something in the .600's in the last week. Yeah, he played a long time and played in a bandbox. But with dismal teams his first six seasons. Yeah, the DH lengthened his career. But he won seven Gold Gloves, playing the toughest LF in baseball. Is he the best living player, no. But he's close
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Post by Shane Falco on Jun 24, 2024 19:22:55 GMT
All of this talk about the greatest living player and not one mention of Carl Michael Yastrzemski. Shame on me. 3419 hits, 452 homers, .285 BA, three batting titles, one MVP and a Triple Crown. And one of the greatest clutch performances in history when he hoisted the "Impossible Dream" 1967 Red Sox on his back and took a pennant in a four team race. In the last two games, playing the tied for 1st Twins, he went 7 for 8. I think he hit something in the .600's in the last week. Yeah, he played a long time and played in a bandbox. But with dismal teams his first six seasons. Yeah, the DH lengthened his career. But he won seven Gold Gloves, playing the toughest LF in baseball. Is he the best living player, no. But he's close Part of me wanted to suggest David Ortiz but I diminish him for not playing an actual position and he did have a connection to PED's at one point. While he isn't labeled as a cheater by many like Bonds, Sosa, McGwire etc he still had like a failed test or something. I still remember the World Series with the Sox and Cardinals and Papi hit like .800 or something. They flat out couldn't get him out it was possibly the most impressive World Series performance from a hitter I had ever seen.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jun 24, 2024 20:10:05 GMT
All of this talk about the greatest living player and not one mention of Carl Michael Yastrzemski. Shame on me. 3419 hits, 452 homers, .285 BA, three batting titles, one MVP and a Triple Crown. And one of the greatest clutch performances in history when he hoisted the "Impossible Dream" 1967 Red Sox on his back and took a pennant in a four team race. In the last two games, playing the tied for 1st Twins, he went 7 for 8. I think he hit something in the .600's in the last week. Yeah, he played a long time and played in a bandbox. But with dismal teams his first six seasons. Yeah, the DH lengthened his career. But he won seven Gold Gloves, playing the toughest LF in baseball. Is he the best living player, no. But he's close Part of me wanted to suggest David Ortiz but I diminish him for not playing an actual position and he did have a connection to PED's at one point. While he isn't labeled as a cheater by many like Bonds, Sosa, McGwire etc he still had like a failed test or something. I still remember the World Series with the Sox and Cardinals and Papi hit like .800 or something. They flat out couldn't get him out it was possibly the most impressive World Series performance from a hitter I had ever seen. In the 2013 ALCS, the Red Sox were all but finished. Anibal Sanchez one hit them in Game 1. Scherzer had pitched 7 innings gave up one run on two hits and the Sox were down 5-1 in the 8th. Looked to be down 0-2 going to Detroit and Justin Verlander.. The Sox loaded the bases in the 8th and Ortiz was up. You just knew that he was going to hit it out and he did. Sox won the game in the 10th and the series in six. He only hit .091 in the LCS but hit .688 in the WS. They say there's no such thing as a clutch hitter but he was.
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Post by Shane Falco on Jun 24, 2024 21:52:41 GMT
Part of me wanted to suggest David Ortiz but I diminish him for not playing an actual position and he did have a connection to PED's at one point. While he isn't labeled as a cheater by many like Bonds, Sosa, McGwire etc he still had like a failed test or something. I still remember the World Series with the Sox and Cardinals and Papi hit like .800 or something. They flat out couldn't get him out it was possibly the most impressive World Series performance from a hitter I had ever seen. In the 2013 ALCS, the Red Sox were all but finished. Anibal Sanchez one hit them in Game 1. Scherzer had pitched 7 innings gave up one run on two hits and the Sox were down 5-1 in the 8th. Looked to be down 0-2 going to Detroit and Justin Verlander.. The Sox loaded the bases in the 8th and Ortiz was up. You just knew that he was going to hit it out and he did. Sox won the game in the 10th and the series in six. He only hit .091 in the LCS but hit .688 in the WS. They say there's no such thing as a clutch hitter but he was. He was probably the last guy I'd want to see up to bat with the game on the line of his generation.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jun 24, 2024 22:35:52 GMT
In the 2013 ALCS, the Red Sox were all but finished. Anibal Sanchez one hit them in Game 1. Scherzer had pitched 7 innings gave up one run on two hits and the Sox were down 5-1 in the 8th. Looked to be down 0-2 going to Detroit and Justin Verlander.. The Sox loaded the bases in the 8th and Ortiz was up. You just knew that he was going to hit it out and he did. Sox won the game in the 10th and the series in six. He only hit .091 in the LCS but hit .688 in the WS. They say there's no such thing as a clutch hitter but he was. He was probably the last guy I'd want to see up to bat with the game on the line of his generation. I was listening to the game at work on my phone. I really expected Jim Leyland to walk Papi since the dreaded Mike Carp was up next. Mike Napoli pinch hit for Carp but still.
Up with Fisk's HR and the last out of the '04 series as the best Red Sox moments. Torii Hunter almost killed himself, the cop in the bullpen, the bullpen catcher making a blind snag, Dave O"Brien screaming "DAVID ORTIZ, DAVID ORTIZ, DAVID ORTIZ" on WEEI
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