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Post by nostromo on Jul 16, 2024 15:41:49 GMT
That's exactly it though. It's a "USA is the greatest, we got him home, and even united with a nation that is supposed to be our enemy. No other nation could do this" vibe.
I know Ridley Scott isn't American, but the film for me was very 'backslapping'. They can make any film they want to of course, but I also have the right to air criticisms.
You can view it any way you want, but I think you might be the only person who viewed it that way. It's a story about humanity, not jingoism. Eventually the official government decision is to leave him for dead; it's the individuals, his crewmates, who decide to ignore orders and go save him. Come on:
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 16, 2024 16:32:13 GMT
You can view it any way you want, but I think you might be the only person who viewed it that way. It's a story about humanity, not jingoism. Eventually the official government decision is to leave him for dead; it's the individuals, his crewmates, who decide to ignore orders and go save him. Come on:
Yes, it's a story of humanity. The world was celebrating because they rescued a man left alone millions of miles away. What are the odds the people in the US would be waving the flag while American astronauts rescued an American trapped on another planet? The rest of the world is celebrating in that clip too. I don't understand why you think the theme of the film was 'no other nation could do this' when they enlist one of their greatest geopolitical adversaries for aid-- and eventually see it as a lost cause from a government standpoint, forcing the astronauts to risk their own lives to save him. The government coldly but understandably sees the loss of one astronaut as a better outcome than the potential loss of several astronauts and an entire space station, so they eventually pull the plug. His crewmates could never live with themselves knowing they left him behind, and risk it all to bring him back. For his part, Watney never gives up on the idea of surviving, no matter the odds. It's a story of the human spirit and human ingenuity saving the day. Your bias has to be pretty strong to overlook all that and focus on the people waving flags in the street.
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Post by nostromo on Jul 17, 2024 9:05:53 GMT
Yes, it's a story of humanity. The world was celebrating because they rescued a man left alone millions of miles away. What are the odds the people in the US would be waving the flag while American astronauts rescued an American trapped on another planet? The rest of the world is celebrating in that clip too. I don't understand why you think the theme of the film was 'no other nation could do this' when they enlist one of their greatest geopolitical adversaries for aid-- and eventually see it as a lost cause from a government standpoint, forcing the astronauts to risk their own lives to save him. The government coldly but understandably sees the loss of one astronaut as a better outcome than the potential loss of several astronauts and an entire space station, so they eventually pull the plug. His crewmates could never live with themselves knowing they left him behind, and risk it all to bring him back. For his part, Watney never gives up on the idea of surviving, no matter the odds. It's a story of the human spirit and human ingenuity saving the day. Your bias has to be pretty strong to overlook all that and focus on the people waving flags in the street. It's just my opinion. It was corny.
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Post by ghostintheshell on Jul 17, 2024 17:47:14 GMT
The Counselor and Robin Hood take the cake!
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Post by Archelaus on Jul 18, 2024 4:38:35 GMT
I haven't seen a lot of his 1990s films, but so far, his worst comes down to The Counselor for me.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jul 18, 2024 14:31:52 GMT
Robin Hood - because biggest letdown with credible expectations baked in.
At least Alien Covenant which is terrible seemed like a middle finger from Ridley. Robin Hood read like it could've been top 20 of the decade; instead it nearly put me to sleep in the theatre.
I liken it to Michael Mann's Public Enemies - not a bad movie, just a kick to the knees of expectation.
I bet Robin Hood isn't even available anywhere within 20yrs for a viewing.
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