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Post by Aj_June on Jun 7, 2017 8:31:40 GMT
I personally believe that too much of negative publicity and obsession with meaningless nonsense of the idiot Trump may backfire against people who dislike the moron. Everything has a limit. Sure, Trump should be criticised. His comments and policies need to be criticised. But being fascinated to this degree that so many posters on politics board have turned their names to covfefe is just ludicrous. I remember a very corrupt leader in my home province in India went on to win state elections 3 times and controlled state government for 15 years. It was mainly because of excessive negative publicity and people's obsession with his acts and stupidities. This looks like a very similar case. The Joker Trump may reap benefits of the fact that many people not just laugh on him but are obsessed by him.
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Post by Marv on Jun 7, 2017 9:38:19 GMT
I could definitely see people getting more annoyed with all the negative attention that they direct their disgust to the people calling attention to it and align themselves with Trump in the process. People are fickle and don't like to be annoyed.
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Post by bonerxmas on Jun 7, 2017 10:17:40 GMT
well liberals are making the same mistake republicans made with clinton and obama, started complaining relentlessly, right from the start, complaining about everything, so by the time they were up for reelection everyone was burned out on republican complaints
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Post by Stammerhead on Jun 7, 2017 10:58:37 GMT
It is an amusing mistake and does raise a few relevant issues but it has been overtaken by his apparent inability to understand what the London mayor was communicating after the recent attack. Of course Trump's supporters will also use criticism of that ongoing mess as further MSM bias so Trump wins their approval either way.
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Post by Aj_June on Jun 7, 2017 11:11:59 GMT
It is an amusing mistake and does raise a few relevant issues but it has been overtaken by his apparent inability to understand what the London mayor was communicating after the recent attack. Of course Trump's supporters will also use criticism of that ongoing mess as further MSM bias so Trump wins their approval either way. I agree with that but my concern is with fence sitters and non-voters. In my personal opinion there are many categories of voters that play an important role in making a candidate win an election. For example, there is a small minority who almost never vote in spite of being eligible to vote. Then there is still a huge number of eligible voters who don't vote simply because they are not motivated enough. Then there are voters sitting on fence who could swing either way. There are many closed minded republicans who would vote for Trump irrespective of how he performs. My concern is mainly about fence sitters and those who are not motivated enough to vote. These irritating things in politics may put off a few people. I am not just talking about one isolated incidence but general tendency to treat Trump as someone who provides entertainment and being too obsessed by his stupid acts. This kind of thing increases his publicity even if negative publicity. Even one % vote can make a bit of a difference at the end.
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Post by captainbryce on Jun 7, 2017 11:17:57 GMT
This isn't India! Most of us actually believe in the process that President Trump tried to delegitimize. And when Presidents enact policies that harm us, we don't re-elect them. I didn't vote for Trump because I expect the country to suffer under his leadership. But the people who did vote for him did not expect to suffer under his leadership (because they are ignorant). Once they begin to suffer and feel the effects of his policies, they will eventually turn on him. So the Trump problem with eventually solve itself irrespective of any ridicule or mockery by liberals.
Mind you he hasn't been in office for very long, and his voters are already starting to realize what they've done. It's only a matter of time before they wake up. Most people who depend on "Obamacare", are Trump supporters, and most people who benefit from foreign, Mexican workers are Trump supporters. The ones who wanted a "wall" realize that they aren't going to get one, and that Mexico will not pay for it. And the rest are just clueless, and can't even articulate why they voted for him in the first place (other than he speaks his mind). They are beginning to see just where that gets them. So like I said, this problem will eventually work itself out. I'm not concerned.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 11:24:28 GMT
This isn't India! Most of us actually believe in the process that President Trump tried to delegitimize. And when Presidents enact policies that harm us, we don't re-elect them. I didn't vote for Trump because I expect the country to suffer under his leadership. But the people who did vote for him did not expect to suffer under his leadership (because they are ignorant). Once they begin to suffer and feel the effects of his policies, they will eventually turn on him. So the Trump problem with eventually solve itself irrespective of any ridicule or mockery by liberals. How do you expect the country to suffer under his leadership in a way it hasn't under his predecessors?
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Post by Aj_June on Jun 7, 2017 11:41:54 GMT
www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/04/23/trump-voters-dont-have-buyers-remorse-but-some-hillary-clinton-voters-do/?utm_term=.57a61962ee4dThis isn't India! he hasn't been in office for very long, and his voters are already starting to realize what they've done. It's only a matter of time before they wake up. Most people who depend on "Obamacare", are Trump supporters, most people who benefit from foreign, Mexican workers are Trump supporters. The ones who wanted a "wall" realize that they aren't going to get one, and that Mexico will not pay for it. And the rest are just clueless, and can't even articulate why they voted for him in the first place (other than he speaks his mind). They are beginning to see just where that gets them. So like I said, this problem will eventually work itself out. I'm not concerned. Sure your country is not India. It's a developed country with less corrupt and more civilised people in general. At the same time, at least one mainstream media article I could find says that: Trump voters don’t have buyer’s remorse. But some Hillary Clinton voters do.www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/04/23/trump-voters-dont-have-buyers-remorse-but-some-hillary-clinton-voters-do/?utm_term=.57a61962ee4d 2% Hillary voters who regret said that they would have voted for Trump. Only one % Trump Voter said they would have voted for Clinton. In any case, my personal opinion is that republican core voters don't usually regret anything. For next time - For democrats to win ( democrat candidate has 80% chance of winning in 2020 as per my PERSONAL views) the main shift needs to happen from fence sitters, non-voters and non-traditional republican voters who voted for Trump this time. The required shift may very well happen and I see 80% chance of that but there is nothing sure in politics.
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Post by Aj_June on Jun 7, 2017 11:46:47 GMT
@codyjarrettjr said: Paddypower has Trump as favourite to win 2020. While I believe odd makers have only about 50% chance of predicting correctly and at the moment he is fav because there is no clear democrat candidate, Trump is not so much behind in the race as is usually believed by those who don't like Trump. Still, with so many surprises in politics, I wouldn't rule out anything. I do see less chance of Trump winning next election but there is a chance. www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/us-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=2711243That said, paddypower has Trump at 2/1 so I think they see him having 33.33% chance to win. So he is fav among all candidates but paddypower sees his winning chance at 33.33%. I personally see republican candidate having a 20% chance to win the next election.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 12:04:24 GMT
Here's just one example Healthcare. This is from actual Trump healthcare bill: That's 14 million people who will lose their health insurance next year under Trump's healthcare bill. That number will rise to 52 million people in 9 years time(24 million people more than if Obamacare was left in place) That's 5% of the country who are going to "suffer" directly because of a Trump presidency,they will mainly be the poor and elderly. As a Christian I'm sure you're against such a thing right Cody?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 12:25:28 GMT
Here's just one example Healthcare. This is from actual Trump healthcare bill: That's 14 million people who will lose their health insurance next year under Trump's healthcare bill. That number will rise to 52 million people in 9 years time(24 million people more than if Obamacare was left in place) That's 5% of the country who are going to "suffer" directly because of a Trump presidency,they will mainly be the poor and elderly. As a Christian I'm sure you're against such a thing right Cody? First of all i wasn't asking you. Secondly, compared to the old program it has its benefits aswell as it's drawbacks. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/08/difference-obamacare-trumpcare-happens-next/
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 12:31:35 GMT
Here's just one example Healthcare. This is from actual Trump healthcare bill: That's 14 million people who will lose their health insurance next year under Trump's healthcare bill. That number will rise to 52 million people in 9 years time(24 million people more than if Obamacare was left in place) That's 5% of the country who are going to "suffer" directly because of a Trump presidency,they will mainly be the poor and elderly. As a Christian I'm sure you're against such a thing right Cody? First of all i wasn't asking you. Secondly, compared to the old program it has its benefits aswell as it's drawbacks. sauerkraut List those benefits Cody. And it's not going to be of any benefit to 14 million people mainly the poor,elderly and sick people who will lose their healthcare coverage next year. And you a supposed Christian says nothing to condemn it. What do you think Christ would think of denying healthcare and potentially life saving treatment to the poor,sick and elderly,because they can't afford to pay?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 12:36:45 GMT
First of all i wasn't asking you. Secondly, compared to the old program it has its benefits aswell as it's drawbacks. sauerkraut List those benefits Cody. And it's not going to be of any benefit to 14 million people mainly the poor,elderly and sick people who will lose their healthcare coverage next year. And you a supposed Christian says nothing to condemn it. What do you think Christ would think of denying healthcare and potentially life saving treatment to the poor,sick and elderly,because they can't afford to pay? Forgot to include the link. I've edited it now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 12:48:36 GMT
List those benefits Cody. And it's not going to be of any benefit to 14 million people mainly the poor,elderly and sick people who will lose their healthcare coverage next year. And you a supposed Christian says nothing to condemn it. What do you think Christ would think of denying healthcare and potentially life saving treatment to the poor,sick and elderly,because they can't afford to pay? Forgot to include the link. I've edited it now. None of the points in that article address the 18 million people who will lose their insurance under Trump's bill. The sick elderly and poor,you know the people the founder of your religion said to look after. Here's a real Christian policy change from your article: Fuck old people and the disabled right Cody? After all what have they ever done for us? That's an abomination of a healthcare bill and system and no western country including our own would ever except it. Which do you think is the better system Trump's or the NHS.?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 13:08:24 GMT
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That is beside the point. The point is Trump's healthcare program has it's pros(more pros) and cons, just as Obamacare(more cons) did. U.S healthcare has always been a shambles.
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Jun 7, 2017 14:30:51 GMT
@superdude6090 That is beside the point. The point is Trump's healthcare program has it's pros(more pros) and cons, just as Obamacare(more cons) did. U.S healthcare has always been a shambles. You don't actually know anything about either do you Cody? The fact that you posted an article talking about the first attempt the GOP made (which failed to make it past the House) rather than the one that passed speaks volumes. How about you explain in your own words all these cons of Obamacare and pros of TrumpCare? I'd love for you to explain exactly how a system which provides fewer people with coverage is so much better.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 14:40:44 GMT
@superdude6090 That is beside the point. The point is Trump's healthcare program has it's pros(more pros) and cons, just as Obamacare(more cons) did. U.S healthcare has always been a shambles. How about you explain in your own words all these cons of Obamacare and pros of TrumpCare? I would only I don't value your opinion anywhere near important enough to feel the need to prove myself to you.
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Jun 7, 2017 15:05:21 GMT
How about you explain in your own words all these cons of Obamacare and pros of TrumpCare? I would only I don't value your opinion anywhere near important enough to feel the need to prove myself to you. ^^ Posted article about the healthcare bill that failed rather than the one that passed. The bill is a pile of shite which they rammed through without anyone reading it. It has less than a snowflake in hell's chance of passing the senate as is.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 15:15:37 GMT
@superdude6090 That is beside the point. The point is Trump's healthcare program has it's pros(more pros) and cons, just as Obamacare(more cons) did. U.S healthcare has always been a shambles. Yeah lets look at the pro's and cons of Trump Care and Obama Care. So people who lose their health insurance through unemployment or are unable to afford insurance will now pay $1000's direct to the insurance companies instead of paying a nominal fine to the government if they want to sign back up for healthcare. Great pro for the insurance companies the people affected not so much. Allows companies to save billions on healthcare costs to their employees,most employers will gladly remove healthcare benefits and keep the wages at poverty level's, Result tens of millions of people will no longer be able to afford even the most basic of healthcare coverage. Pro for Businesses and Multi National employers,cons for low to middle income earners of America. So the high income earners and insurance companies no longer have to pay as much tax as under Obamacare because they desperately need that money. Pro for rich people and companies everyone else not so much. Yes depending on what state you're in will depend on what type of coverage you'll get. The Southern Republican states will use said waiver to restrict healthcare coverage to large swathes of people,mainly the poor,terminally ill and old. Pro for those states who'll safe a fortune,Con for the millions of people who will be affected on those states. So insurers have no obligation to insure people with pre-existing conditions,saving the billions which the taxpayer and states will have to pick up the bill for,while insurers will be able to charge eye watering premiums and milk the taxpayer dry. So as you can see the Pro's of Trump's healthcare bill are clear. The winners are insurance companies,employers and rich people. The losers are the poor both employed and unemployed,the old both employed and retired,those with pre-existing conditions. Now as a supposed Christian Cody perhaps you could tell me how a bill that shits all over the weakest in society and benefits the richest is a good thing?
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Post by captainbryce on Jun 7, 2017 17:15:40 GMT
How do you expect the country to suffer under his leadership in a way it hasn't under his predecessors? LOCALLY: 1) I expect that the deficit will grow now under Trump since he wants to cut taxes for the wealthiest Americans significantly. (as it did under Bush) 2) I expect that the middle class will suffer economically since their taxes will not be reduced, but social services that they depend on are being slashed. 3) I expect the cost of healthcare to go up under his AHCA (which all the economists are confirming will happen). 4) I expect 23 million Americans to lose health care coverage, and will no longer be protected against pre-existing conditions under the ACA, which Trump has pledged to repeal. 5) I expect that defense contractors will get richer due to the money he's pledged to add to defense spending, but we (the servicemen) will not benefit from those funds in either cost of living or quality of life. 6) I think his trickle down economics plan will ultimately lead us into the next recession (as it did under Bush). 7) I think that thousands of jobs in the green energy market are going to be sacrificed, and that we will no longer invest in that market since pulling out of the Paris Accords, and diverting resources back to coal. 8) I think that cutting EPA regulations will cause further damage (at a greater rate) to our environment (air and water), and further contribute to the rise of CO2 emissions that facilitate climate change. 9) I expect that the country will grow more divided along racial and ethnic lines due to Trump's anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim, xenophobic, racist and misogynistic actions, public statements, rhetoric and tweets. 10) I expect LGBT rights to be threatened with the appointment of a conservative Justice to the Supreme Court. INTERNATIONALLY: 1) I expect foreign relations with our allies (The UK, France, Germany, Israel, and Japan) to be degraded based on his insulting comments to/about the leaders of those countries, his lack of commitment to support them militarily, his America first rhetoric, and by pulling out of the Paris Accords. 2) I expect our enemies (namely Russia) to take advantage of his poor leadership, failure to condemn them, and supportive statements about their leader, and that they will therefore feel emboldened to continue interfering in American Politics and foreign relations, and destabilize Europe and the Middle East in order to weaken American influence/power. 3) I expect that our national security will become threatened due to him sharing top secret information with our adversary, and that our allies will as a result withhold vital intelligence about the war on terror from US intel agencies because they lack confidence and trust in the American President.
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