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Post by mangekyoalleluia on Jun 8, 2017 9:31:46 GMT
In what is possibly the most pointless UK election of all time, will May and her cronies keep power? Will Corbyn ever rise to power? Find out in about 14 hours or so.
Corbyn seems to have been getting a lot of traction the last few weeks, like an almighty push for him among young voters, social media etc but is that enough? We were all convinced Hilary would demolish trump but it didnt quite turn out like that...
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Post by Carl LaFong on Jun 8, 2017 9:55:45 GMT
I think the Tories will have a majority of about 50 to 60 seats over all other parties. That's a working majority so May will have achieved what she set out to do. Bet she didn't thought her majority would be much bigger than that though when she called the election.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 10:19:29 GMT
If the young people come through for the Corbynator, who knows? There are a lot of extra people registered to vote in this election compared to 2015 which is the glimmer of hope for him. Social media is overwhelmingly in favour of Corbyn. The tabloids aren't though, and ultimately it is still them that will influence middle aged to older people, who are the most likely age bracket to actually bother to vote.
I want Corbyn to win, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't have any reservations about him. There really isn't much to like about May, she failed in her previous job as home secretary, she is full of shit, she deflects every question and she ran from the debate. She deserves to get punished in the polls.
My gut feeling though is that May will win comfortably, if the result is a hung parliament, Corbyn says he wont do any deals, but surely he HAS to do a deal in that situation? You don't campaign all this time just to give up at the final hurdle, do you?
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Post by Carl LaFong on Jun 8, 2017 11:34:57 GMT
"If the young people come through for the Corbynator, who knows?"
No chance mate, it's raining today!
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Post by Carl LaFong on Jun 8, 2017 11:38:17 GMT
This piece about Corbyn in the Spectator is rather alarming:
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Post by Carl LaFong on Jun 8, 2017 11:38:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 12:12:02 GMT
Yes, and as you know Carl, The Spectator is a conservative publication. I had to search for the article (as you didn't post a link), but the evidence he cited for Corbyn voting against peace in NI was a blog (inside the spectator), and another article from a fringe website called labour-uncut, which I'm guessing is an anti-Labour party website judging by the rhetoric on there. Not exactly solid evidence he has cited. The author himself, Nick Cohen, was a big advocate for the Iraq War in 2003, a big critic of the stop the war coalition, and the author of a book "how the left lost its way". Those credentials don't exactly sound like the credentials of a lefty like he claims he is.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 12:21:55 GMT
May will win.
The only interesting thing about this election is what happens in Scotland. Hopefully, the SNP will get a bloody nose.
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Post by mangekyoalleluia on Jun 8, 2017 21:01:14 GMT
Polls closed, results will start coming in.
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Post by MrFurious on Jun 8, 2017 21:05:19 GMT
Is this exciting? I just heard somebody on SN saying Corbyn could be in no 10 lol Theres wee Ken Loach too
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 21:07:51 GMT
Is this exciting? I just heard somebody on SN saying Corbyn could be in no 10 lol Theres wee Ken Loach too Looks like it is going to be a hung parliament. Conservatives just short of a majority according to the Exit polls. If Corbyn was to do a deal with SNP and Lib Dems (he says he wont) then he would have exactly the same amount of seats as the conservatives. Add in PC and Greens, he'd have slightly more. But Conservatives could still get over the line... just!
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Post by mangekyoalleluia on Jun 8, 2017 21:54:26 GMT
Maybe social media is just a smokescreen, I don't get this disconnect with the seemingly endless negative press/word of mouth on May and the Tories yet they still seem to be in the lead, almost feels like Hilary V Trump.
It'd be pretty damning if the Tories still win, just shows a lot of the country still doesn't trust Labour and Corbyn. Just going by the exit polls at least.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 22:07:39 GMT
Maybe social media is just a smokescreen, I don't get this disconnect with the seemingly endless negative press/word of mouth on May and the Tories yet they still seem to be in the lead, almost feels like Hilary V Trump. It'd be pretty damning if the Tories still win, just shows a lot of the country still doesn't trust Labour and Corbyn. Just going by the exit polls at least. Social media is full of young people though. The printed press and tabloids have given Corbyn an incredibly tough time, there was an extensive study by Loughborough University a few weeks ago that suggests the negative press for Corbyn far outweighed the negative press for May. And even many Labour MPs haven't exactly been glowing in support for Corbyn on politics shows and in the press.
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Post by bluerisk on Jun 8, 2017 22:21:32 GMT
First victories are for the reds...
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3/3 for Labour...Communist revolution on the island?
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jun 8, 2017 23:09:47 GMT
So far looks like a lot of the former UKIPers are voting Tory. Best result would be Labor losing handily so they ditch that numpty Corbyn.
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Post by bluerisk on Jun 8, 2017 23:16:03 GMT
So far looks like a lot of the former UKIPers are voting Tory. Best result would be Labor losing handily so they ditch that numpty Corbyn. So far 6 red votes, and only one for the evil empire.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 23:24:42 GMT
So far looks like a lot of the former UKIPers are voting Tory. Best result would be Labor losing handily so they ditch that numpty Corbyn. So far 6 red votes, and only one for the evil empire. All safe seats declared so far. So no real surprises. Conservatives doing a bit better than exit polls suggested though from the early declarations, and it will be the close marginal seats that will decide this. Still need more data.
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Post by bluerisk on Jun 8, 2017 23:26:23 GMT
So far 6 red votes, and only one for the evil empire. All safe seats declared so far. So no real surprises. Conservatives doing a bit better than exit polls suggested though from the early declarations, and it will be the close marginal seats that will decide this. Still need more data. Still: May blew it. Boris next?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 23:29:01 GMT
All safe seats declared so far. So no real surprises. Conservatives doing a bit better than exit polls suggested though from the early declarations, and it will be the close marginal seats that will decide this. Still need more data. Still: May blew it. Boris next? That's what I'm thinking, and sadly I think Boris will do much better. Could be another election soon if this ends up a hung parliament, difficult to get much done with a minority government, couldn't have happened at a worse time either. It's time to go Theresa. Corbyn should keep going though IMO. Don't know if he will.
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Post by bluerisk on Jun 8, 2017 23:40:16 GMT
Why not a coaltion between labour, the SNO and the liberals?
German parties would do it.
Why are coalition that unusual in Britain? Even if possible.
There was a time when I was a strategic conservative voter:
The first vote for the actual seat went to the CDU, the second one, which would determine the overall percentage and far more important, went to the FDP (German liberals) to ensure a coservative-liberal coalition and avoid a coalition between the socialists and the Greens...but now I vote for the AfD...the German Ukip so to speak.
The survival of a snowball in hell is likelier than a absolute majority for a German party in a Bundestag election. Coalitions is the way here. But I guess you have some sort of "the winner takes it all"-system.
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