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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 10, 2017 1:09:48 GMT
No, it's 1 of the best superhero movies ever made and definitely better than any MCU movie. Okay... See this is what you guys do when you don't want the "rival" studios you don't want to like to be on top. You know the other movies are craptacular, so you push them like they are the best. Then when you actually get a good one, you forget about the other ones and push the actual good one. Even going so far as to say it should win a bunch of Oscars. I didn't say Wonder Woman should win a bunch of Oscars. I said Wonder Woman will probably be nominated for the following Oscars: Best Picture Best Director Best Cinematography Best Costume Design Best Production Design
I also said Wonder Woman probably won't win the Oscar for Best Picture because I don't see the Academy being ready to award Best Picture to a CBM yet. As for Best Cinematography, Best Costume Design, and Best Production Design, it's hard to predict at this time without knowing what other movies will be nominated for those categories.
But I think Wonder Woman's strongest chance of winning an Oscar will be for Best Director. Wonder Woman is the movie that Patty Jenkins has wanted to make for 14 years and she had to overcome plenty of obstacles to get the movie made and it's among the top 3 (along with The Dark Knight and Logan) highest-rated CBMs ever made.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 10, 2017 1:22:40 GMT
The reason why Wonder Woman is worrying all the MCU fans here so much is because Wonder Woman has now set an incredibly high bar for Captain Marvel. Movie watchers are now going to expect Captain Marvel to be as great as Wonder Woman so they're be extremely disappointed when Captain Marvel fails to reach that incredibly high bar set by Wonder Woman. Marvel takes risks as well. Netflix did Jessica Jones. LOL!!! You're claiming that Marvel takes risks because they made a Netflix series? TV (and Netflix) series have much smaller budgets than blockbuster movies so Marvel took hardly any risk at all making a Netflix series of Jessica Jones compared to what DC did with Wonder Woman.
Only 1 female Director had ever directed a superhero movie before Wonder Woman and no female Director had ever directed a movie with a budget over $100 million. DC not only chose a female Director for a $150 million budget movie, but they chose a Director whose only previous movie was an $8 million indie movie 14 years ago. It doesn't get any riskier than that.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jun 10, 2017 1:41:37 GMT
Marvel takes risks as well. Netflix did Jessica Jones. LOL!!! You're claiming that Marvel takes risks because they made a Netflix series? TV (and Netflix) series have much smaller budgets than blockbuster movies so Marvel took hardly any risk at all making a Netflix series of Jessica Jones compared to what DC did with Wonder Woman.
Only 1 female Director had ever directed a superhero movie before Wonder Woman and no female Director had ever directed a movie with a budget over $100 million. DC not only chose a female Director for a $150 million budget movie, but they chose a Director whose only previous movie was an $8 million indie movie 14 years ago. It doesn't get any riskier than that.
It's obviously not the only risk they take, and like I said before, I know it's a TV show they had a little more leeway in terms of either making their money count or losing thousands if it flopped, but even then, it's still female-lead and no one knew the character so it had no particular reason to be successful, but it was. You're right, your achievement of a female director making a successful 150 million dollar budget film is worthy of being mentioned, and I'm glad to see Jenkins and Gadot be successful. They deserve all the praise in the world right now, but you seem to think Marvel fans are upset about that, but why would they? But you're also overselling this movie like it's the next masterpiece film next to the Godfather. It has problems with it. Its by no means the perfect film. You want to like it better than Marvel films or even the Godfather, go for it. But you seem to have a problem with people just disagreeing with you, and you come off as a pretentious jerkoff by thinking Wonder Woman is all of a sudden this historic film in the industry, especially when you think you have to brag about that on the Marvel boards on this site. But Marvel still does take risks. The first Iron Man had no reason to be successful. For starters, they had little financing behind it and had to raise most the money themselves. Jon Favreau was hardly a household name before Iron Man besides maybe just Elf. And Iron Man was a C-list character in comics. And then of course, there's Guardians of the Galaxy. No one knew who they were before they were even announced, and shouldn't have been successful, but it was a huge hit!
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 10, 2017 2:13:47 GMT
you seem to think Marvel fans are upset about that, but why would they? Just read the posts by ArArArchStanton, formersamhmd, sostie, and weirdraptor. Their adamant insistence that Wonder Woman, which is among the top 3 (along with The Dark Knight and Logan) highest-rated CBMs ever, isn't as good as The First Avenger or most of MCU's other movies shows that they're really upset that Wonder Woman turned out to be a great movie because they know that Wonder Woman has now set an incredibly high bar for Captain Marvel. Movie watchers are now going to expect Captain Marvel to be as great as Wonder Woman so they'll be extremely disappointed when Captain Marvel fails to reach that incredibly high bar set by Wonder Woman. you're also overselling this movie like it's the next masterpiece film next to the Godfather. Who said anything about The Godfather? I'm not overselling the movie. I already said that Wonder Woman probably won't win the Oscar for Best Picture because I don't see the Academy being ready to award Best Picture to a CBM yet. However, I can see Wonder Woman receiving an Oscar nomination for Best Picture. If this was like the old days (when the Academy nominated only 5 films for Best Picture), then I would say No, Wonder Woman won't receive an Oscar nomination for Best Picture. But in 2009 the Academy increased the number of films nominated for Best Picture to 10. So with 10 films being nominated for Best Picture, I would say that Wonder Woman has a very good chance be nominated for the Oscar for Best Picture. With more and more CBMs being produced, the comic-book movie genre has become a legitimate genre like sci-fi, fantasy, or westerns. Eventually the Academy is going to nominate a CBM for Best Picture. The reason that the Academy increased the number of films nominated for Best Picture to 10 in 2009 was because an outstanding CBM, The Dark Knight, was snubbed for an Oscar nomination. So the Academy voters finally have a chance to make up for their snub of The Dark Knight in 2008 by nominating another outstanding CBM, Wonder Woman, for Best Picture.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jun 10, 2017 2:27:20 GMT
I know you never said the Godfather. I only brought it up because its considered a masterpiece film (tho I disagree with that) and it's just an analogy I made because you're preaching this film like its such a historic masterpiece of a film like the Godfather, when it really isn't though. There's still plenty of flaws in it that you're just to blind to see because you're DC-fanboy, plain and simple. Nothing is obviously going to persuade youBoohoo, so they're expressing their opinions. Do I agree with them?? Nope! But I'm not going to bitch and moan like you are because they disagree with you that it's the greatest comic book film ever. That's what I'm trying to get across here. You come of as a pretentious DC jerkoff because you attack others who disagree with your opinion about a film. Seriously, grow up.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 10, 2017 4:56:36 GMT
they're expressing their opinions. Do I agree with them?? Nope! But I'm not going to bitch and moan like you I'm not bitching and moaning about them expressing their opinion. I'm explaining the reason for their opinion, which is simply that they're worried because Wonder Woman has now set an incredibly high bar for Captain Marvel. Movie watchers are now going to expect Captain Marvel to be as great as Wonder Woman so they'll be extremely disappointed when Captain Marvel fails to reach that incredibly high bar set by Wonder Woman.
That's why ArArArchStanton, formersamhmd, sostie, and weirdraptor are so desperate to say that Wonder Woman, which is among the top 3 (along with The Dark Knight and Logan) highest-rated CBMs ever, isn't as good as The First Avenger or most of MCU's other movies. Fear can be a big motivator, and right now ArArArchStanton, formersamhmd, sostie, and weirdraptor are extremely scared that Captain Marvel won't be able to reach the incredibly high bar set by Wonder Woman.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jun 10, 2017 5:16:50 GMT
they're expressing their opinions. Do I agree with them?? Nope! But I'm not going to bitch and moan like you I'm not bitching and moaning about them expressing their opinion. I'm explaining the reason for their opinion, which is simply that they're worried because Wonder Woman has now set an incredibly high bar for Captain Marvel. Movie watchers are now going to expect Captain Marvel to be as great as Wonder Woman so they'll be extremely disappointed when Captain Marvel fails to reach that incredibly high bar set by Wonder Woman.
That's why ArArArchStanton, formersamhmd, sostie, and weirdraptor are so desperate to say that Wonder Woman, which is among the top 3 (along with The Dark Knight and Logan) highest-rated CBMs ever, isn't as good as The First Avenger or most of MCU's other movies. Fear can be a big motivator, and right now ArArArchStanton, formersamhmd, sostie, and weirdraptor are extremely scared that Captain Marvel won't be able to reach the incredibly high bar set by Wonder Woman.
Translation: You're bitching and moaning because you don't agree with their opinion and because they're Marvel fans and you're a pretentious little DC fan boy, plain and simple.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 10, 2017 17:23:43 GMT
they're expressing their opinions. Do I agree with them?? Nope! But I'm not going to bitch and moan like you I'm not bitching and moaning about them expressing their opinion. I'm explaining the reason for their opinion, which is simply that they're worried because Wonder Woman has now set an incredibly high bar for Captain Marvel. Movie watchers are now going to expect Captain Marvel to be as great as Wonder Woman so they'll be extremely disappointed when Captain Marvel fails to reach that incredibly high bar set by Wonder Woman.
That's why ArArArchStanton, formersamhmd, sostie, and weirdraptor are so desperate to say that Wonder Woman, which is among the top 3 (along with The Dark Knight and Logan) highest-rated CBMs ever, isn't as good as The First Avenger or most of MCU's other movies. Fear can be a big motivator, and right now ArArArchStanton, formersamhmd, sostie, and weirdraptor are extremely scared that Captain Marvel won't be able to reach the incredibly high bar set by Wonder Woman.
Did it set a high bar? I can't comment on the quality of the movie until I go see it on Monday. But from what I'm seeing now, it's looking like you were blinded by seeing bad movies before (forcing yourself to see them as good). Now seeing an actual good movie (again from what is being said almost universally), you are projecting it higher than it is. Just maybe.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 10, 2017 19:28:39 GMT
I'm not bitching and moaning about them expressing their opinion. I'm explaining the reason for their opinion, which is simply that they're worried because Wonder Woman has now set an incredibly high bar for Captain Marvel. Movie watchers are now going to expect Captain Marvel to be as great as Wonder Woman so they'll be extremely disappointed when Captain Marvel fails to reach that incredibly high bar set by Wonder Woman.
That's why ArArArchStanton, formersamhmd, sostie, and weirdraptor are so desperate to say that Wonder Woman, which is among the top 3 (along with The Dark Knight and Logan) highest-rated CBMs ever, isn't as good as The First Avenger or most of MCU's other movies. Fear can be a big motivator, and right now ArArArchStanton, formersamhmd, sostie, and weirdraptor are extremely scared that Captain Marvel won't be able to reach the incredibly high bar set by Wonder Woman.
Translation: You're bitching and moaning because you don't agree with their opinion and because they're Marvel fans and you're a pretentious little DC fan boy, plain and simple. Nope, ArArArchStanton, formersamhmd, sostie, and weirdraptor are the biased Marvel fanboys who claim that Wonder Woman isn't as good as most of MCU's films despite the fact that they admittedly haven't even seen Wonder Woman yet. That's classic MCU fanboy bias.
I, on the other hand, am always unbiased and never rate a movie or TV show until after I've seen it. The reviews for Iron Fist weren't good, but I've said many times that Iron Fist wasn't bad and was better than the reviews. That proves that I'm always unbiased and willing to give it a fair chance.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 10, 2017 19:31:40 GMT
I'm not bitching and moaning about them expressing their opinion. I'm explaining the reason for their opinion, which is simply that they're worried because Wonder Woman has now set an incredibly high bar for Captain Marvel. Movie watchers are now going to expect Captain Marvel to be as great as Wonder Woman so they'll be extremely disappointed when Captain Marvel fails to reach that incredibly high bar set by Wonder Woman.
That's why ArArArchStanton, formersamhmd, sostie, and weirdraptor are so desperate to say that Wonder Woman, which is among the top 3 (along with The Dark Knight and Logan) highest-rated CBMs ever, isn't as good as The First Avenger or most of MCU's other movies. Fear can be a big motivator, and right now ArArArchStanton, formersamhmd, sostie, and weirdraptor are extremely scared that Captain Marvel won't be able to reach the incredibly high bar set by Wonder Woman.
Did it set a high bar? I can't comment on the quality of the movie until I go see it on Monday. But from what I'm seeing now, it's looking like you were blinded by seeing bad movies before (forcing yourself to see them as good). Now seeing an actual good movie (again from what is being said almost universally), you are projecting it higher than it is. Just maybe. No, because I'm not the only 1 who says that Wonder Woman is better than all of MCU's movies. If I were the only 1 who said that, then you might have an argument. But Wonder Woman is among the top 3 (along with The Dark Knight and Logan) highest-rated CBMs ever made. So the general consensus is that Wonder Woman is indeed better than all of MCU's movies.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jun 10, 2017 19:47:10 GMT
Did it set a high bar? I can't comment on the quality of the movie until I go see it on Monday. But from what I'm seeing now, it's looking like you were blinded by seeing bad movies before (forcing yourself to see them as good). Now seeing an actual good movie (again from what is being said almost universally), you are projecting it higher than it is. Just maybe. No, because I'm not the only 1 who says that Wonder Woman is better than all of MCU's movies. If I were the only 1 who said that, then you might have an argument. But Wonder Woman is among the top 3 (along with The Dark Knight and Logan) highest-rated CBMs ever made. So the general consensus is that Wonder Woman is indeed better than all of MCU's movies. I'm assuming by rated, you're probably going by Rotten tomatoes. Avengers is 92%. First Iron Man is actually 94%, higher than Wonder Woman actually. Same as Spider Man 2. So much for being better than all Marvel films, and once again, just your biased pretentious opinion as usual because you don't agree with Marvel Fan's opinions
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 10, 2017 19:55:24 GMT
No, because I'm not the only 1 who says that Wonder Woman is better than all of MCU's movies. If I were the only 1 who said that, then you might have an argument. But Wonder Woman is among the top 3 (along with The Dark Knight and Logan) highest-rated CBMs ever made. So the general consensus is that Wonder Woman is indeed better than all of MCU's movies. I'm assuming by rated, you're probably going by Rotten tomatoes. Avengers is 92%. First Iron Man is actually 94%, higher than Wonder Woman actually. Same as Spider Man 2. So much for being better than all Marvel films, and once again, just your biased pretentious opinion as usual because you don't agree with Marvel Fan's opinions Nope. Just like IMDB has the adjusted rating (which is a more accurate measure), RT has the adjusted score (which is a more accurate measure). Wonder Woman has an RT adjusted score of 105.34%, which puts it at #3 behind Logan and The Dark Knight and ahead of Spider-Man 2, The Avengers, Iron Man, and all of MCU's films.
editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/50-best-superhero-movies-of-all-time/5/
Like I said in my previous post, the general consensus is that Wonder Woman (which along with The Dark Knight and Logan is among the top 3 highest-rated CBMs ever) is better than all of MCU's movies. That's not just my opinion. That's the general consensus.
So I'm not the one who is biased since I share the same opinion as the general consensus. It's MCU fans like ArArArchStanton, formersamhmd, sostie, and weirdraptor who claim that Wonder Woman isn't as good as most MCU films when they admittedly haven't even seen Wonder Woman yet who are the biased fanboys.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 10, 2017 20:44:09 GMT
Did it set a high bar? I can't comment on the quality of the movie until I go see it on Monday. But from what I'm seeing now, it's looking like you were blinded by seeing bad movies before (forcing yourself to see them as good). Now seeing an actual good movie (again from what is being said almost universally), you are projecting it higher than it is. Just maybe. No, because I'm not the only 1 who says that Wonder Woman is better than all of MCU's movies. If I were the only 1 who said that, then you might have an argument. But Wonder Woman is among the top 3 (along with The Dark Knight and Logan) highest-rated CBMs ever made. So the general consensus is that Wonder Woman is indeed better than all of MCU's movies. When I say "you" I mean the general you. Not just DC-Fan.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jun 10, 2017 21:02:14 GMT
I'm assuming by rated, you're probably going by Rotten tomatoes. Avengers is 92%. First Iron Man is actually 94%, higher than Wonder Woman actually. Same as Spider Man 2. So much for being better than all Marvel films, and once again, just your biased pretentious opinion as usual because you don't agree with Marvel Fan's opinions Nope. Just like IMDB has the adjusted rating (which is a more accurate measure), RT has the adjusted score (which is a more accurate measure). Wonder Woman has an RT adjusted score of 105.34%, which puts it at #3 behind Logan and The Dark Knight and ahead of Spider-Man 2, The Avengers, Iron Man, and all of MCU's films.
editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/50-best-superhero-movies-of-all-time/5/
Like I said in my previous post, the general consensus is that Wonder Woman (which along with The Dark Knight and Logan is among the top 3 highest-rated CBMs ever) is better than all of MCU's movies. That's not just my opinion. That's the general consensus.
So I'm not the one who is biased since I share the same opinion as the general consensus. It's MCU fans like ArArArchStanton, formersamhmd, sostie, and weirdraptor who claim that Wonder Woman isn't as good as most MCU films when they admittedly haven't even seen Wonder Woman yet who are the biased fanboys.
Dude, you're the only one who's bitching and moaning about what other people think because you're a biased DC jerkoff. Any movie in the 90% on RottenTomatos is good in my book. I really don't care about the adjusted score like you're looking at. I'm not going to judge what's better and what's worst when there's only a 2 or 3% difference. It's apple and oranges and just all comes down to personal preference, especially something between the first Iron Man and Wonder Woman. I would probably choose Wonder Woman myself because I did enjoy it alot, but doesn't mean I think it's better than Iron Man, and if someone likes it better, then that's their opinion. You need to learn the definition of opinion before you go to college. But if you really want to go by your logic, then by all accounts, Suicide Squad and Batman v Superman are among the worst rated superhero films. Man of Steel probably falls in the back of that list, but I actually enjoyed it for what it is and thought it had a lot more good stuff than bad and I think it's at least a solid 60% on RT
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 11, 2017 4:00:32 GMT
you're the only one who's bitching and moaning about what other people think
Talk about bitching and moaning, here you are bitching and moaning because I listed a bunch of MCU films that Wonder Woman is better than: imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/34245/marvel-films-wonder-woman?page=1&scrollTo=517179.
if someone likes it better, then that's their opinion. You need to learn the definition of opinion before you go to college.
Wow! You still haven't gotten the point. Since you're slow at getting things, I'll explain it to you more slowly.
ArArArchStanton, formersamhmd, sostie, and weirdraptor claim that Wonder Woman isn't as good as most of MCU's movies even though they admittedly haven't even seen Wonder Woman yet. When someone claims that a movie that the general consensus says is better than all of MCU's films isn't as good as most of MCU's films even though they admittedly haven't even seen that movie yet, that's not an opinion, that's just dumbass MCU fans showing their bias.
And as I explained before, the reason they're saying that is not because its an opinion (since they haven't even seen Wonder Woman yet) but because they worried that Wonder Woman has set an incredibly high bar for Captain Marvel and they know that Captain Marvel won't be able to reach that incredibly high bar set by Wonder Woman (since no other MCU film has reached that incredibly high bar set by Wonder Woman) so they have to try to lower the bar for Captain Marvel by going against the general consensus and claiming that Wonder Woman isn't that good, even though they admittedly haven't even seen Wonder Woman yet. Like I said, that's just dumbass MCU fans showing their bias.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jun 11, 2017 14:00:23 GMT
you're the only one who's bitching and moaning about what other people think
Talk about bitching and moaning, here you are bitching and moaning because I listed a bunch of MCU films that Wonder Woman is better than: imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/34245/marvel-films-wonder-woman?page=1&scrollTo=517179.
if someone likes it better, then that's their opinion. You need to learn the definition of opinion before you go to college.
Wow! You still haven't gotten the point. Since you're slow at getting things, I'll explain it to you more slowly.
ArArArchStanton, formersamhmd, sostie, and weirdraptor claim that Wonder Woman isn't as good as most of MCU's movies even though they admittedly haven't even seen Wonder Woman yet. When someone claims that a movie that the general consensus says is better than all of MCU's films isn't as good as most of MCU's films even though they admittedly haven't even seen that movie yet, that's not an opinion, that's just dumbass MCU fans showing their bias.
And as I explained before, the reason they're saying that is not because its an opinion (since they haven't even seen Wonder Woman yet) but because they worried that Wonder Woman has set an incredibly high bar for Captain Marvel and they know that Captain Marvel won't be able to reach that incredibly high bar set by Wonder Woman (since no other MCU film has reached that incredibly high bar set by Wonder Woman) so they have to try to lower the bar for Captain Marvel by going against the general consensus and claiming that Wonder Woman isn't that good, even though they admittedly haven't even seen Wonder Woman yet. Like I said, that's just dumbass MCU fans showing their bias.
I see you deflected or just ignored a few points I made about the other DC films, which essentially means I'm right. Sucks when someone else is right, doesn't it?!?! But I only called you out on that because it's true, because you are a biased DC troll, no matter how much you try to deny it. A Marvel film could have a higher adjusted score than Wonder Woman, but you'd still insist Wonder Woman is better because you're a blind DC fanboy. No one takes you seriously on here dude. And that's just your interpretation, dude. Not once have either of them mentioned Captain Marvel. Again, you're twisting and putting words into other people's mouth to make yourself seem smarter and right when you're just a pretentious little prick. Like I said, no one takes you seriously on here.
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Post by furiousstyles77 on Jun 11, 2017 14:36:16 GMT
Is Wonder Woman overhyped? No, it's 1 of the best superhero movies ever made and definitely better than any MCU movie. even the most staunch DCEU detractors would be hard-pressed to spin it any other way. ArArArchStanton and formersamhmd are trying to spin it another way. All that said, comparisons to Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, Oscar contention, and "best solo origin film ever" comments are being thrown around like confetti... Is it really all that and a bag of chips?
Will Wonder Woman win the Oscar for Best Picture? Probably not.
But will Wonder Woman be nominated for the Oscar for Best Picture? Well, if this was like the old days (when the Academy nominated only 5 films for Best Picture), then I would say No. But in 2009 the Academy increased the number of films nominated for Best Picture to 10 (ironically because The Dark Knight was snubbed for a Best Picture nomination). So with 10 films being nominated for Best Picture, I would say YES, Wonder Woman will be nominated for the Oscar for Best Picture.
With more and more CBMs being produced, the comic-book movie genre has become a legitimate genre like sci-fi or westerns. Eventually the Academy is going to nominate a CBM for Best Picture. And Wonder Woman gives them a great opportunity to do that because Wonder Woman is more than just the usual CBM.
Wonder Woman is also a period piece movie that focuses on war, a subject that the Academy likes to nominate films for Best Picture. Moreover, Wonder Woman not only focuses on World War I (which hasn't gotten as much coverage in films as World War II) but also does an excellent job of conveying the horrors and brutality of the Great War. It has the main character leaving the safety of her home to go on a journey which she thinks is her destiny but turns into an enlightenment about morality and the nature of humanity. It also has another main character making the ultimate sacrifice and it delivers a powerful and positive message. Those are all themes that the Academy likes to nominate films for Best Picture. And it helps that Wonder Woman is the most-talked about movie of the year.
As for Patty Jenkins, I think she'll be nominated for the Oscar for Best Director just because of all the obstacles she had to overcome to make Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman is not only the first solo female superhero movie in over a decade but also the first $100+ million budget solo female superhero movie ever. And Patty Jenkins' only previous movie credit was an $8 million indie movie. On top of that, MCU let Patty Jenkins go because MCU dictator Kevin Feige wouldn't give her the creative freedom to make a better Thor: The Dark World. Despite all those obstacles and all the pressure (whether fairly or unfairly) of Wonder Woman being labeled as the movie that would either open or shut the door for future female-led superhero movies, Patty Jenkins delivered not only the best female-led superhero movie ever but also 1 of the best superhero movies ever.
So I think Wonder Woman will receive Oscar nominations for: Best Picture Best Director Best Cinematography
Best Costume Design Best Production Design You are one seriously deluded individual, this is the reason i cant stand DCEU fans or the DCEU
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