X-Men: The Dark Phoenix

Right right right...actually having fun at the movies is bad unless it's a R rated parody.




There have been plenty of times where the X-Men comics weren't drowning in their own self-importance and just had the X-Men be treated like normal heroes...the Dark Phoenix Saga for example.



Do what the X-Men comics themselves did whenever they told stories about aliens or demons or the Savage Land.

Fun is subjective, not everyone enjoys watching mindless action and pretty moving pictures with little substance. .




The stories of Xavier/Magneto, the cure, Stryker, dark Phoenix, origins and Apocalypse all needed to be done first because they are the most presentable and relevant. And theres still more stuff and characters to explore like X force, Sinister and Gambit before aliens and demons are introduced - although theyve started that with Dark Phoenix. And i dont know why you put magic and aliens on a higher platform, its no more valid than the humanistic grounded stories.

ID4 was a cash grab which plenty of studio's are guilty for. And they tried too hard with Apocalypse to compete with BvS and Civil War.

And its hard to fight through the humor in modern MCU flicks when theyr being shoved in your face constantly and undercutting serious scenes. Thats why I prefer phase 1 + Winter Soldier/Thor TDW. They are imo the most balanced movies in juggling drama action and comedy whilst getting villains right. The modern stuff has overloaded on the comedy at expense of drama because of how successful GOTG1 was at the box office.




MCU humor is the definition of inorganic. Its cringey, needless and forced most of the time. Thor 3 is the perfect example.
I was watching the scene when Thor is trying to convince Valkiry to join him and help save Asguard in a desperate plea. Then immediatly after, he throws the ball against the window and it bounces to knock him down. So needless and undercuts the dramatic tension in thr dialogue seconds before. And there was a similar one with Quill in Gotg1 dropping the orb. Would any adult laugh at this stunt, or is it just aimed for children. Its like Xavier convincing Magneto not to kill Shaw whilst playing chess, then right after Magneto annoyed, levitates a chess piece into Xavier and knocks him over for laughs. I could see something similar happening in an MCU Xmen film.

Thor in TDW and Ragnarok is a completely different character. Marvel-disney's solution is, if it aint working, thow in jokes and that's what they reduced Thor too. Its like if they made Cyclops into a wise cracking quip machine after his serious demeanor in the Xfilms. Would be unnatural.

Humor and more importantly comedic timing is superior in X films. There is no slapstick comedy, people falling over or slipping or dancing to villains. If you enjoy that stuff, then good for you but if MCU-Disney got theie hands on Xmen franchise it would be curtains for dramatic superhero films with stakes.

That's because you are actively trying to hate the humor.

It also shows you how strong the window was.  That was the point.  The ball bouncing off the window wasn't to undercut the tension, but to undercut expectations.  Thor never actually checked that window for how strong it was.  You know the ball is suppose to go through the window. Thor thought the ball would go through the window.  But against expectations it didn't.  It's the same with some Banner/Hulk scenes.  They do the same thing on the show The Orville.  There was a scene that made fun of Star Trek when they tell them to hail another ship then immediately start talking.  In The Orville, the captain starts talking and the security officer says it wasn't ready yet.  Funny scene because it undercut expectations.  And stuff like Peter juggling the orb shows that they are actual people and not "scripted".  If they would have done something like that in an X-men movie, they would have found some meaning to it.  Like they find a note or insight that would help them stop the villain.  They move from spot to spot spouting exposition and semi-philosophy to make them sound important.  There is no fun in the X-men movies unless they schedule it (Quicksilver).

Are they 2 different characters?  Or is it a character that has grown?  You forget that Thor was on Earth after that during Age of Ultron.  It it shows that he's acclimated himself to being more like that.  And when did Thor start making lots of quips and wise cracking?  The only time you can say that was when he was flirting with the Valkyrie.  Like I said before, he was saying things at certain times that we would find funny. 

You mean like how they made Cyclops better in Apocalypse?

There are no scenes in any MCU movie that would equate to Magneto knocking Xavier over with a chess piece.  But there is the deleted scene of Xavier making Angel see Magneto in lingerie.  Played for laughs.

So you are saying the only time a movie can have stakes is if the character is frowny face?  Even Nightcrawler?  A character that is the comedy relief of the X-men.  Or Beast?  What about Iceman?  These characters are the fun characters.  They are known to make jokes and be light-hearted.  During fight scenes.  Why do you think people see Beast and Iceman as versions of Cyclops?

Get out of here with your semi serious, not serious, but serious thinking of X-men.  You guys want to see it a certain way that it is not. 

No, just people. Normal everyday people. Thanks to the MCU people aren't ashamed of CBMs anymore.



There are plenty.



It WAS about Ragnarok, you just misunderstood what Ragnarok is. It's NOT the same thing as the apocalypse.

You mean the Xavier who got over his alcoholism in ONE scene?

Spider-man 2?  What the hell are you on?  Raimi's style is all about corny comedy.  Dude, real comic book fans weren't even going to see those movies.  Only The Dark Knight was getting fans into theaters. 

And there is no Thor 3 backlash.  All in your head.

Could have fooled us.



Oh, you mean the bit where Xavier gets over 10 years of alcoholism in one scene? Thor more than earned his "The power was with you all along" thing compared to that.

Deadpool wasn't ashamed