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Post by mandragora on Oct 1, 2017 15:29:19 GMT
They can't carry on with Sagnol as interim until the end of the season. Even Hoeness must see that.
RB with two 18 year old CBs and no Werner. Let's see how that works out.
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Post by bluerisk on Oct 1, 2017 17:03:46 GMT
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Post by mandragora on Oct 1, 2017 18:12:30 GMT
No more Augsburgs and Hannovers in the CL spots for now.
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Post by mandragora on Oct 2, 2017 11:55:01 GMT
Injury is actually inaccurate. He still has problems with dizzyness and they're still in the process of finding out what's wrong with him. It's clear that he has muscular tension around the cervical spine and jaw, but unknown whether there isn't more behind it.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Oct 3, 2017 11:41:38 GMT
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Post by mandragora on Oct 3, 2017 11:53:00 GMT
That quest for the new coach is taking too long at Bayern. According to reports Rummenigge wants Tuchel and Hoeneß wants Nagelsmann. Nagelsmann however isn't available until next summer. And the fact remains that he is 30, has next to no experience in international club competitions and only 18 months of experience with professional football.
Hoeneß apparently fears that Tuchel is "too difficult" a character. Have the feeling the main reason he wants to install Nagelsmann is that at 30 and Bayern being his dream club he'll be easier to turn into a puppet.
I'm actually getting worried that Tuchel might decline the job. The whole situation with the persistent power struggle between Uli and Kalle, not being sure of having the backing of both, not having a real sporting director/having to take orders from Salihamidzic, players like Ribery phoning Uli and crying every time they're upset with something, etc. etc. ... it's not a dream job by any means. And then the underlying feeling of being a stand-in for Nagelsmann until the latter is deemed ready.
The might end up with a worst case solution. Either a foul compromise like Enrique, or with a crazy temporary solution until summer, and then the next season Nagelsmann comes and due to inexperience and the mess the club is in fails spectacularly.
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Post by bluerisk on Oct 3, 2017 13:10:33 GMT
That quest for the new coach is taking too long at Bayern. According to reports Rummenigge wants Tuchel and Hoeneß wants Nagelsmann. Nagelsmann however isn't available until next summer. And the fact remains that he is 30, has next to no experience in international club competitions and only 18 months of experience with professional football. Hoeneß apparently fears that Tuchel is "too difficult" a character. Have the feeling the main reason he wants to install Nagelsmann is that at 30 and Bayern being his dream club he'll be easier to turn into a puppet. I'm actually getting worried that Tuchel might decline the job. The whole situation with the persistent power struggle between Uli and Kalle, not being sure of having the backing of both, not having a real sporting director/having to take orders from Salihamidzic, players like Ribery phoning Uli and crying every time they're upset with something, etc. etc. ... it's not a dream job by any means. And then the underlying feeling of being a stand-in for Nagelsmann until the latter is deemed ready. The might end up with a worst case solution. Either a foul compromise like Enrique, or with a crazy temporary solution until summer, and then the next season Nagelsmann comes and due to inexperience and the mess the club is in fails spectacularly. Tuchel will be a mistake in mho. He is too difficult, at least for a team like the FCB. In Dortmund, he turned the key-players and the managment against him, and Hoeneß and Rummenigge, as well as the entitre club, are not accepting a No and will want to infere with decisions. Tuchel might try to tolerate it for some time but sooner or later his personalty with crash with those of Hoeneß and Co. Maybe if Hoeneß and Rummenigge step down and the entire environment gets more resorted and professional...than, maybe, possible, it might work. But with three Alphas here and half a dozen of divas there - not a chance. To coach a club like munich you also need teh capability to communicate, to moderate and to be a bit of a shrink. Tuchel is a "my way or no way" typo destined to fail in Munich. But maybe he has won the CL in three years from now and you can shovel this comment into my face. You also pointed out in an other discussion that Nagelsmann has no international experience - righty so, but you over and over again miss my point that we are no longer a top 10 team in Europe. Maybe top 25, and I was, again, serious about the Europa league. Mourinho played there and used it well. Won it, buildt up the team to its current state and collected the 5th CL berth for the EPL. I had no problem with a "sabatical". Sure, Hoeneß and Rummenigge do. They are part of the problem, not of the solution. And there are more and more press releases and articles which provide the same conclusion. |
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Post by mandragora on Oct 3, 2017 13:25:47 GMT
I'm not certain what happened in Dortmund or let's say, I have my own theories about it. I don't know whether you have read the Zeit article (only in the printed edition), which was about the only one that represented Tuchel's side. I've found a pdf, here is it, if you're interested. imgur.com/a/U0193And I didn't miss your point about Bayern no longer being a top 10 team, I just disagree. IMO you're one winger short of being competitive. The rest of the players are simply out of form. Especially Alaba, Müller, and Boateng. It's the coach's job to bring them into form. Where were Aubameyang let alone Mkhitaryan in their last season under Klopp? Enter Tuchel and all of a sudden Aubameyang challenges for Europe's golden boot, and Mkhitaryan leads the list for most assists. Now I see Carlo's biographer complaining that Bayern didn't buy Carlo a good enough squad. Signore, in Germany it's the job of a coach to improve the players and the team, not just to manage big ego personalities. Maybe the squad isn't ready to challenge for the CL title. But that doesn't explain them running around even against Anderlecht or Wolfsburg with no plan or even a clue what to do, looking lost in almost every game, the defense being like headless chicken, gaping holes between DM and the defense, no ideas or trained moves in attack. Nor does it explain the shocking decline of passing quality. And that aren't things that take a 500m budget to fix. |
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Post by mandragora on Oct 3, 2017 14:33:33 GMT
Hoeneß met Guardiola in a restaurant in Munich today.
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Post by mandragora on Oct 3, 2017 17:31:35 GMT
Bild's sport reporter Straten said on Sky that Hoeneß met with Guardiola to clear out any remaining doubts. Tuchel has asked for time to think it all over. Neither Tuchel nor his agent can be reached on the phone.
Allegedly Tuchel has said in private he'll only take the job if Ribery and Robben will be gone in summer.
Spanish reporter claims Bayern have contacted Luis Enrique. Please no... the man just benefited from MSN and what's more important he doesn't speak German again and not even decent English.
Thomas, don't let us down.
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Post by mandragora on Oct 3, 2017 18:08:59 GMT
Hoeneß to AZ: "Have told him [Pep] who we'll sign in the next days and he was satisfied."
Sounds like the decision's been made... at least from Bayern's side and there's a great probability the other side agrees.
Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but it seems to me that it can only be Tuchel. Because he's the only one with whom negotiations were reported. Enrique allegedly been "contacted", but that doesn't mean "we'll sign him in the next days".
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Post by bluerisk on Oct 3, 2017 19:05:46 GMT
Hoeneß to AZ: "Have told him [Pep] who we'll sign in the next days and he was satisfied." Sounds like the decision's been made... at least from Bayern's side and there's a great probability the other side agrees. Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but it seems to me that it can only be Tuchel. Because he's the only one with whom negotiations were reported. Enrique allegedly been "contacted", but that doesn't mean "we'll sign him in the next days". They ask Pep Shittyola for a "blessing"...holy shit. Is the Kaiser too bussied with fraud investgations?! |
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Post by mandragora on Oct 3, 2017 19:26:26 GMT
I was very critical of Pep, too, mostly because he was too dogmatic and tried to force his system through no matter what, and because of his servile devotion to Barcelona ("Messi is unstoppable", "No one can win in Camp Nou"), which I think is totally inappropriate ahead of an important game against that team.
But he was 100 times better than what Ancelotti did. For he was at least doing his job and putting in an effort. With Ancelotti, I have now the impression he was just looking for a laid-back and well paid job that didn't require him a lot of work to do. That "Bayern can win the league with their hands in their pockets" took on a new meaning for me. Would fit the rumours about Ancelotti to China. If true that might mean another rude awakening, because according to what I've read, while the Chinese pay very well, they also expect you to put in a shift.
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Post by bluerisk on Oct 3, 2017 20:09:06 GMT
I was very critical of Pep, too, mostly because he was too dogmatic and tried to force his system through no matter what, and because of his servile devotion to Barcelona ("Messi is unstoppable", "No one can win in Camp Nou"), which I think is totally inappropriate ahead of an important game against that team. But he was 100 times better than what Ancelotti did. For he was at least doing his job and putting in an effort. With Ancelotti, I have now the impression he was just looking for a laid-back and well paid job that didn't require him a lot of work to do. That "Bayern can win the league with their hands in their pockets" took on a new meaning for me. Would fit the rumours about Ancelotti to China. If true that might mean another rude awakening, because according to what I've read, while the Chinese pay very well, they also expect you to put in a shift. Everthing before the word but means nothing according to Tyrion of house Lannister, and Ancelotti is simply no benchmark. Certainly shocking with what attitude he assumed his office, but even more: no benchmark. Your linked article (=> Zeit) was even questioning if a person like Tuchel fits into the harsh world of modern football at all. - with his ideas of justice, honesty etc. pp. Watzke is a scumbag for sure, but Uli and Kalle are also two convicted criminals...I don't question his skills as football teacher, but his "skills" to fit in Munich. Freiburg or Augsburg seem to be more choices for him. Laid back clubs where a word of honor bears still a meaning. But a lion's den like Munich...what was it in the article again: fragile like porcelaine? I wouldn't say fragile for he stood up against Watzke in a certain way, but too difficult. He is a Stannis typo (I hope you have a basic knowledge about Game of Thrones => Stannis Baratheon, like iron, he would rather break than to bend. And Tuchel is also said to be that stuborn what contradicts the assesment he was fragile like porcelaine. But ok, it is German journalism) OK, you want to see him in Munich - I don't. I would wait for the next year and even if it means to miss certain goals - championship, qualification for the CL, titles etc. pp. |
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Post by mandragora on Oct 3, 2017 20:13:57 GMT
In my opinion what Ancelotti did was refusal to work bordering on sabotage.
Wait until next year and then what? You think Nagelsmann would be suited better to survive in the lions den? I don't think so. And what if Nagelsmann ends up turning out another Weinzierl? He was hyped up just like Nagelsmann two years earlier and then moved to a bigger club - and look how it turned out.
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Post by mandragora on Oct 4, 2017 6:20:46 GMT
New article from Sportbild this morning, with not much new information though. There was a conference call with Tuchel, Hoeneß and Rummenigge a couple of hours after Ancelotti was dismissed. He didn't agree to take the job right away. Instead he started a discussion about sporting issues and said his decision would depend on them. Sportbild says "they are not used to that in Munich". They agreed to resume talks after the game on Sunday. Reiterating that Tuchel is Rummenigge's man and Nagelsmann Hoeneß'. They say the real issue is the power struggle between Rummenigge and Hoeneß. This is a shining example of everything that's wrong with big dinosaur German "Traditionsvereine". It's not about who is the best candidate, it's about who prevails in a power struggle between club legends. Thank God that little East German plastic club doesn't have to worry about such issues, at least not for the foreseeable future. Here's hoping that power struggle won't result in a stalemate with the beneficiary being Luis Enrique, with all the rumours mounting late last night. |
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Post by Carl LaFong on Oct 4, 2017 10:12:13 GMT
Luis Enrique sucks! Hope they don't end up with him!
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Post by mandragora on Oct 4, 2017 10:17:25 GMT
Spanish and Italien media were reporting late last night that there's going to be a meeting with Enrique today.
It's 12 o'clock now and still no reports about Enrique arriving of being on his way to Munich.
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Post by mandragora on Oct 4, 2017 11:19:12 GMT
So much for the meeting.
It's about time this ends; the Bayern forum on TM.de is coming closer to a collective fit of panic with every minute Tuchel isn't fix.
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Post by Pangolin on Oct 4, 2017 20:05:10 GMT
Tuchel would be the first Bayern-coach born in the Freistaat since a long time.
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