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Post by someguy on Jun 12, 2017 17:41:57 GMT
They are one of my favorite bands, but I think their self titled 1977 debut is horribly overrated, and I would actually call it my least favorite of their studio albums. Yes, even worse than Cut the Crap. My favorite to least favorite:
Sandinista!
London Calling
Give 'Em Enough Rope
Combat Rock
Cut the Crap
The Clash
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 22:55:55 GMT
I'm not sure how highly it's rated in relation to London Calling. Seem to recall it being average.
My list would be
London Calling
Combat Rock
The Clash
Give them Enough Rope
Sandinista!
Cut the Crap
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Post by rateater on Jun 12, 2017 23:29:19 GMT
no. i think london calling is overrated.
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Post by marco26 on Jun 12, 2017 23:43:23 GMT
Yeah, "London Calling" is extremely overrated. My God, an entire side (side four) is unlistenable.
I am the biggest Clash fan on Earth. I also have an IQ of 147 so I know what I am talking about. The first Clash album is very good...but very dated. Why listen to two minute two chord punk songs now? Be like listening to Al Jolson songs. At their time they were great, but presently they are just simple and primitive.
"Sandinista" is their best. One of the greatest albums ever made. A masterwork. A masterpiece. And think about this: that band went from a two chord punk song like "1977" to the artistry and complexity of "The Call Up" in just three years! Mind-blowing. That band was something else.
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Post by someguy on Jun 13, 2017 2:09:09 GMT
Yeah, "London Calling" is extremely overrated. My God, an entire side (side four) is unlistenable. I am the biggest Clash fan on Earth. I also have an IQ of 147 so I know what I am talking about. The first Clash album is very good...but very dated. Why listen to two minute two chord punk songs now? Be like listening to Al Jolson songs. At their time they were great, but presently they are just simple and primitive. "Sandinista" is their best. One of the greatest albums ever made. A masterwork. A masterpiece. And think about this: that band went from a two chord punk song like "1977" to the artistry and complexity of "The Call Up" in just three years! Mind-blowing. That band was something else. Damn right Sandinista! is a masterpiece. The only thing I disagree with is calling London Calling overrated. I think the song "London Calling" is overrated, but the album as a whole pretty much deserves it's reputation. I also think sides 1,2,3, and 4 are close to even in quality. On the other hand, as much as I love Sandinista!, I also think it takes a pretty steep dip in quality after "Charlie Don't Surf". |
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Post by marco26 on Jun 13, 2017 3:04:51 GMT
Yeah, "London Calling" is extremely overrated. My God, an entire side (side four) is unlistenable. I am the biggest Clash fan on Earth. I also have an IQ of 147 so I know what I am talking about. The first Clash album is very good...but very dated. Why listen to two minute two chord punk songs now? Be like listening to Al Jolson songs. At their time they were great, but presently they are just simple and primitive. "Sandinista" is their best. One of the greatest albums ever made. A masterwork. A masterpiece. And think about this: that band went from a two chord punk song like "1977" to the artistry and complexity of "The Call Up" in just three years! Mind-blowing. That band was something else. Damn right Sandinista! is a masterpiece. The only thing I disagree with is calling London Calling overrated. I think the song "London Calling" is overrated, but the album as a whole pretty much deserves it's reputation. I also think sides 1,2,3, and 4 are close to even in quality. On the other hand, as much as I love Sandinista!, I also think it takes a pretty steep dip in quality after "Charlie Don't Surf". Nah, the song "London Calling" is still one of rock's greatest songs. All these years later and all the countless times I've heard the song I still get a charge out of it. It really is a killer song. And, yes, memories of seeing the band do that song live add to my love of that song. Nothing but fury and sweat when they played that song live. Come on, dude, side four of LONDON CALLING is pretty darn awful. "Lover's Rock," "Four Horsemen," "I'm Not Down," "Revolution Rock"...pretty mediocre stuff. If they don't tack on "Train In Vain," I would never play side four. Yeah, after "Charlie Don't Surf" the SANDINISTA album veers into acquired taste territory. But give "Kingston Advice" another listen. It is a top Clash song. A good rocker. |
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Post by cryptoflovecraft on Jun 13, 2017 14:58:17 GMT
It's not at all overrated and it's easily my favorite Clash release (the US edition, that is).
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Post by cryptoflovecraft on Jun 13, 2017 15:14:24 GMT
Come on, dude, side four of LONDON CALLING is pretty darn awful. "Lover's Rock," "Four Horsemen," "I'm Not Down," "Revolution Rock"...pretty mediocre stuff. If they don't tack on "Train In Vain," I would never play side four. I wholeheartedly agree. Seems like they saved all the mediocre stuff for side four. In fact, side four of my ancient vinyl copy is still in pristine condition save for the last track ("Train In Vain") which has a few scratches. |
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Post by mrellaguru on Jun 13, 2017 18:31:51 GMT
No. I like the debut.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 22:53:04 GMT
My God, an entire side (side four) is unlistenable. Yep, totally agree. And instead of learning from this, they compounded their error on Sandinista! Not sure how you can call it a masterpiece when there's even more unlistenable dreck on there than on London Calling. |
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Post by marco26 on Jun 14, 2017 0:09:45 GMT
My God, an entire side (side four) is unlistenable. Yep, totally agree. And instead of learning from this, they compounded their error on Sandinista! Not sure how you can call it a masterpiece when there's even more unlistenable dreck on there than on London Calling. OK, SANDINISTA is a masterpiece because it is bold. It dares to be great. Something that is long gone now in art. Artists used to dare, be brave, be audacious. Take a film like APOCALYPSE NOW. That film has many weaknesses (like SANDINISTA), but because it is so grand, so daring in scope and attempt, it is a remarkable, great work. A masterpiece...even with its failings. Will we ever see an APOCALYPSE NOW ever again? No friggin' way. Now everything is planned for maximum give-the-people-what-they-want. Who today would make a three album set with dub tunes, backward songs, little kids singing, hillbilly music next to rockers next to black gospel tunes....? SANDINISTA is a remarkable masterwork. It is Lean's LAWRENCE OF ARABIA, Joyce's ULYSSES, TS Eliot's "The Waste Land" all in one three album set...and for just $12.99! |
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Post by maxwellperfect on Jun 14, 2017 2:57:30 GMT
Are we talking the UK or US version. 'Cause the US version rules.
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Post by schizkebab on Jun 14, 2017 14:54:31 GMT
Oddly, I've never really cared much for 'The Clash' as a punk band. My favorite streak of Clash tunes can be found on the 2nd side of 'Combat Rock'. 'Sandinista!' is also a lovely album.
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Post by nogbad on Jun 15, 2017 16:33:43 GMT
It's not over-rated by me. I think it's shite, like all Clash albums.
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Post by dougb on Jun 17, 2017 13:49:41 GMT
No, but punk was one type of music that you really did need to be there and witness the hardship of London life at that time. It was bloody depressing and people were sick of over pampered pop stars. The lo-fi blasts of "The Clash" (forget the American version as that's a weird "hits included hybrid if memory serves and released later as they didn't get it at the time) and others like SLF, Pistols, x-Ray Specs Adverts etc. were a wonder to behold and genuinely changed our lives.
The Clash, due to the individual members tastes were the best able to survive the built on obsolescence of the "movement" and mutate into other forms but God it was an exciting time. (Believe it or not, TRB were the best I saw live in Lewisham 78. Danny Kustow was a great under rated guitarist)
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