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Post by gadreel on Jun 13, 2017 2:06:59 GMT
He lived until the age of 33, and was a human being, with all the usual human wants and needs.
Do you think he ever engaged in courtship? Possibly thought about getting married?
Not much is known about Jesus between his childhood and adulthood, is there? What was he doing in that time? I guess he may well have, as you say he was of his own cognizance for most of his life (unless you believe the mystical stream), and there is nothing that would preclude him from wanting to engage (if you will). I figure though that it is unimportant otherwise it would have been mentioned. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 13, 2017 2:35:50 GMT
What wants and needs?
Do people think casual dating was a thing in the 1st century?
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Post by gadreel on Jun 13, 2017 3:01:51 GMT
What wants and needs? Do people think casual dating was a thing in the 1st century? Casual dating may not have been, but it is pretty clear throughout history that people have engaged in amourous endeavours |
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Post by Sulla on Jun 13, 2017 3:48:23 GMT
Jesus was a Rockstar. He couldn't tie himself down with just one woman. His disciples used to follow him around for the leftovers. They all wanted to be like him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 10:12:50 GMT
He lived until the age of 33, and was a human being (half human?), so he must have had accompanying human wants and needs.
Do you think he ever engaged in courtship? Possibly thought about getting married?
Not much is known about Jesus between his childhood and adulthood, is there? What was he doing in that time? I always find it a bit strange that many christians reject the notion that jesus had love and/or sex in his life, or claim that he never "sinned" or had an impure thought or whatever. Isn't the whole point of the story meant to be that god manifested himself as a human being to come and live amongst us? That idea seems to be completely undercut if you then start to snip out pretty important chunks of humanity from your god on Earth. The impression it leaves is less "a god in human form" and more "a god who looks like a human physically but otherwise isn't." |
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Post by kls on Jun 13, 2017 10:21:51 GMT
He lived until the age of 33, and was a human being (half human?), so he must have had accompanying human wants and needs.
Do you think he ever engaged in courtship? Possibly thought about getting married?
Not much is known about Jesus between his childhood and adulthood, is there? What was he doing in that time? I always find it a bit strange that many christians reject the notion that jesus had love and/or sex in his life, or claim that he never "sinned" or had an impure thought or whatever. Isn't the whole point of the story meant to be that god manifested himself as a human being to come and live amongst us? That idea seems to be completely undercut if you then start to snip out pretty important chunks of humanity from your god on Earth. The impression it leaves is less "a god in human form" and more "a god who looks like a human physically but otherwise isn't." To be honest I can see where people could wonder how He could relate to us if He didn't have the same urges that we do. And if He wasn't one of us with our faults how can we strive to be like Him? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 10:22:37 GMT
I always find it a bit strange that many christians reject the notion that jesus had love and/or sex in his life, or claim that he never "sinned" or had an impure thought or whatever. Isn't the whole point of the story meant to be that god manifested himself as a human being to come and live amongst us? That idea seems to be completely undercut if you then start to snip out pretty important chunks of humanity from your god on Earth. The impression it leaves is less "a god in human form" and more "a god who looks like a human physically but otherwise isn't." To be honest I can see where people could wonder how He could relate to us if He didn't have the same urges that we do. And if He wasn't one of us with our faults how can we strive to be like Him? Exactly. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 13, 2017 11:40:41 GMT
What wants and needs? Do people think casual dating was a thing in the 1st century? Casual dating may not have been, but it is pretty clear throughout history that people have engaged in amourous endeavours Yes, but I'm not sure why that makes it an interesting discussion regarding Jesus. To me, it seems like the argument is based entirely on something you might be implying - Because lots of people engaged in amorous endeavors, it would make sense that Jesus did as well. I don't find that to be a logical argument. |
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Post by kls on Jun 13, 2017 11:48:30 GMT
It seems to me in His first century Jewish culture He would have surely been expected to have married by his 30s. If he didn't wouldn't His opponents have questioned Him about it?
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Post by captainbryce on Jun 13, 2017 13:06:29 GMT
He lived until the age of 33, and was a human being (half human?), so he must have had accompanying human wants and needs.
Do you think he ever engaged in courtship? Possibly thought about getting married?
Not much is known about Jesus between his childhood and adulthood, is there? What was he doing in that time? There's really no way to know since the bible is silent on the issue, and basically cuts out 20 years of his early life. On the one hand, we know that Jesus experienced the normal biological drives and instincts as everyone else because scripture says that he was able to be tempted by Satan when he was hungry and thirsty in the wilderness. He also experienced normal human emotions because cursed the fig tree when it didn't produce fruit, turned over the tables and chased the money changers out of the temple, wept when his friend Lazarus died, and pleaded with God to lift the burden of death from him. If he could experience hunger, thirst, anger, sadness, and fear and pain, we can therefore logically assume that he had the normal human sex drive and potential for romantic attraction and emotional attachment as well. And the 20 year gap does leave open the possibility of him having some sort of relationship (even a marriage potentially) during that period. However, Jesus also proved that all of the normal human desires could be resisted. He endured all of that hunger, thirst, fear, and pain, and never let grief or anger consume him. And he taught others to do the same. So it is equally possible that Jesus never married or had a sexual relationship. And given his nature of putting God before everything else, and the fact that the Bible makes no mention of what would seem to be a rather important event in his life, I think the better assumption is that he remained single throughout the 33 years. That would seem to be more consistent with the message the authors intended to convey. |
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Post by kls on Jun 13, 2017 13:18:38 GMT
He lived until the age of 33, and was a human being (half human?), so he must have had accompanying human wants and needs.
Do you think he ever engaged in courtship? Possibly thought about getting married?
Not much is known about Jesus between his childhood and adulthood, is there? What was he doing in that time? There's really no way to know since the bible is silent on the issue, and basically cuts out 20 years of his early life. On the one hand, we know that Jesus experienced the normal biological drives and instincts as everyone else because scripture says that he was able to be tempted by Satan when he was hungry and thirsty in the wilderness. He also experienced normal human emotions because cursed the fig tree when it didn't produce fruit, turned over the tables and chased the money changers out of the temple, wept when his friend Lazarus died, and pleaded with God to lift the burden of death from him. If he could experience hunger, thirst, anger, sadness, and fear and pain, we can therefore logically assume that he had the normal human sex drive and potential for romantic attraction and emotional attachment as well. And the 20 year gap does leave open the possibility of him having some sort of relationship (even a marriage potentially) during that period. However, Jesus also proved that all of the normal human desires could be resisted. He endured all of that hunger, thirst, fear, and pain, and never let grief or anger consume him. And he taught others to do the same. So it is equally possible that Jesus never married or had a sexual relationship. And given his nature of putting God before everything else, and the fact that the Bible makes no mention of what would seem to be a rather important event in his life, I think the better assumption is that he remained single throughout the 33 years. That would seem to be more consistent with the message the authors intended to convey. I don't know. For Him to have not married would have been very remarkable in His time. Couldn't it also be argued if that was the case surely it would have been mentioned? If He did marry it would have been so automatically expected that would inspire less mention. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 13, 2017 14:24:51 GMT
It seems to me in His first century Jewish culture He would have surely been expected to have married by his 30s. If he didn't wouldn't His opponents have questioned Him about it? No one is mandated to be married in 1st Century.
Again, just because something is the norm does not mean that it is the universal.
If he had lived his life based on the expectations of his enemies, he wouldn't have involved himself in a ministry that made him have opponents in the first place.
Rather than conforming Jesus to a mundane norm, it is more logical and in step with his story to assume he was different from his peer group.
If you are the Son of God, I'm not even sure why the notion of a normal life would even be appealing in relation to the work he was doing for his Father.
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 13, 2017 15:24:12 GMT
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 13, 2017 15:56:15 GMT
I was replying to this.
It didn't matter what his opponents thought.
Did I misunderstand?
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 13, 2017 16:05:14 GMT
tpfkar Seems I focused on "It seems to me in His first century Jewish culture He would have surely been expected to have married by his 30s" and dropped out a bit on the second sentence.
Didn't recognize Jeremy Davies [wait, that ain't him, that's Mexican Jesus] |
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Post by gadreel on Jun 13, 2017 18:13:41 GMT
Casual dating may not have been, but it is pretty clear throughout history that people have engaged in amourous endeavours Yes, but I'm not sure why that makes it an interesting discussion regarding Jesus. To me, it seems like the argument is based entirely on something you might be implying - Because lots of people engaged in amorous endeavors, it would make sense that Jesus did as well. I don't find that to be a logical argument. To be fair it is more reasonable to say he did than he did not. Jesus was supposed to live the life of a human and there is no reason to suspect he did not do that, you seem to imply that Jesus would not have engaged in romantic endeavours, I wonder what makes you think that? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 19:04:19 GMT
He lived until the age of 33, and was a human being (half human?), so he must have had accompanying human wants and needs.
Do you think he ever engaged in courtship? Possibly thought about getting married?
Not much is known about Jesus between his childhood and adulthood, is there? What was he doing in that time? That depends if you believe The Secret Gospel of Mark to be true. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 13, 2017 19:32:49 GMT
Yes, but I'm not sure why that makes it an interesting discussion regarding Jesus. To me, it seems like the argument is based entirely on something you might be implying - Because lots of people engaged in amorous endeavors, it would make sense that Jesus did as well. I don't find that to be a logical argument. To be fair it is more reasonable to say he did than he did not. Jesus was supposed to live the life of a human and there is no reason to suspect he did not do that, you seem to imply that Jesus would not have engaged in romantic endeavours, I wonder what makes you think that? I'm not sure why it would be considered reasonable unless one thought Jesus was supposed to be generic or assumed that everyone was married/dating back then.
Jesus did live the life of a human so there are no doubts regarding that.
However, the life of a human is not necessarily tied to the notion of love, romance, or sex.
Those aren't even requirements in our day so not sure why it would be for a time where men could have more than one wife and marriages were routinely arranged.
And to be clear, I'm not saying that Jesus wouldn't be involved in romantic endeavors, only the notion that he likely was or should be involved is a silly assumption to make and especially since any relationship would be temporary.
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Post by gadreel on Jun 13, 2017 19:40:23 GMT
To be fair it is more reasonable to say he did than he did not. Jesus was supposed to live the life of a human and there is no reason to suspect he did not do that, you seem to imply that Jesus would not have engaged in romantic endeavours, I wonder what makes you think that? I'm not sure why it would be considered reasonable unless one thought Jesus was supposed to be generic or assumed that everyone was married/dating back then.
Jesus did live the life of a human so there are no doubts regarding that.
However, the life of a human is not necessarily tied to the notion of love, romance, or sex.
Those aren't even requirements in our day so not sure why it would be for a time where men could have more than one wife and marriages were routinely arranged.
And to be clear, I'm not saying that Jesus wouldn't be involved in romantic endeavors, only the notion that he likely was or should be involved is a silly assumption to make and especially since any relationship would be temporary.
Jesus was human, part of being human is romantic attachment, it seems to me that it is more likely he engaged in romantic attachement than he did not. I disagree that the life of a human is not fundamentally tied to love, romance or sex, those things are a fundamental part of our nature. |
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Post by Aj_June on Jun 13, 2017 19:54:01 GMT
It is totally possible for a person to be free from romance. Great saint Ramana Maharshi never had any romantic relationships and many monks of Jainism and Shaivism take vow of celibacy since childhood.
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