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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 16, 2017 0:37:32 GMT
If you had to delete one MCU movie from the existing canon, which would you choose? Personally I would get rid of Iron Man 3 because I think it would probably have the most minimal impact from a "big picture" standpoint. What say you?
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Post by brownstones on Jun 16, 2017 1:19:03 GMT
the incredible hulk.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jun 16, 2017 1:23:37 GMT
Antman. Easily.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 2:19:09 GMT
It would have to be The Incredibly Hulk, because all the others contain SOMETHING that's ultimately going to matter to the larger narrative (if hasn't already come to fruition). They just cut off everything they were planning with The Incredible Hulk due to it under-performing.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 16, 2017 2:50:02 GMT
It would have to be The Incredibly Hulk, because all the others contain SOMETHING that's ultimately going to matter to the larger narrative (if hasn't already come to fruition). They just cut off everything they were planning with The Incredible Hulk due to it under-performing. Honestly, after watching Ruffalo in Avengers it wasn't clear to me whether both previous Hulk movies were supposed to be canon, just the Ed Norton one, or neither. It had no effect on my enjoyment of the movie though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 3:34:34 GMT
It would have to be The Incredibly Hulk, because all the others contain SOMETHING that's ultimately going to matter to the larger narrative (if hasn't already come to fruition). They just cut off everything they were planning with The Incredible Hulk due to it under-performing. Honestly, after watching Ruffalo in Avengers it wasn't clear to me whether both previous Hulk movies were supposed to be canon, just the Ed Norton one, or neither. It had no effect on my enjoyment of the movie though. William Hurt returned as "Thunderbolt" Ross in Captain America: Civil War. So I guess that's Marvel Studio's way of saying, "Yes, The Incredible Hulk still count as canon." That said, it's still the most disposable film. Can't drop Ironman. It's the start. Can't drop Ironman 2. That one introduces Black Widow and sets the precedent for how Tony Stark deals with personal problems: in the worst way possible. It's also the start of him pushing those closest to him away when the going gets tough. Can't drop Thor. It introduces the interstellar/interdimensional aspects of the MCU, which later films like Guardians and Doctor Strange would expand on. And Loki. Can't drop Captain America 1. That one introduces the Tesseract, the first of the Infinity Stones, and introduces the fact that Earth has been visited by otherworldly forces before. Plus, Chris Evans' abs. Can't drop The Avengers. That one formally introduces the Infinity Stone arc that's gone onto the dominant the whole damn thing. Oh, and Thanos. Can't drop Ironman 3. That one is where the paranoid, obsessed-with-protecting-everything-and-everyone Tony from Age of Ultron and Civil War was born. Can't drop Thor 2. Infinity Stone business. And more Loki. Can't drop Captain America: Winter Soldier. It introduces Falcon, brings back Bucky, and sets up everything that is to come politically within the narrative. Can't drop Guardians of the Galaxy. It expands on the outer space part of the MCU introduced in Thor, and they're going to continue expanding out into it. Plus, another Infinity Stone. And sweet 70s tunes. And Howard the Duck (this is obviously the most important part). Can't drop Avengers: Age of Ultron. It introduces Vision, Scarlet Witch, sends Hulk off to Ragnarok, sends Thor off on the journey that lands him in Ragnarok, and shows us for the first time just how Tony's paranoia and obsession is REALLY starting to strain his sanity and friendships. Plus, another Infinity Stone. And the creation of Ultron and dropping a city out of the sky are among the final straws leading to The Accords. ...That is a sentence I typed, and its accurate. Comic books are weird. You could drop Ant-Man at this point, but its still less disposable than TIH. You can't drop Captain America: Civil War. It introduces Black Panther, Spider-Man, The Accords, and the film ends with the Avengers split up and at odds with each other. Plus, Cap, Falcon, Bucky, Wanda, Hawkeye, Ant-Man, and Black Widow are all officially outlaws. Earth is more vulnerable than it ever was before with its mightiest heroes in-fighting instead of standing together. This is what's going to allow Thanos to take both Infinity Stones being held on Earth with such ease. Plus, Black Panther will likely go on to be one of the figures who assembles The Avengers in future film, alongside Doctor Strange. You can't drop Doctor Strange, because now they're REALLY expanded on the multidimensional angle of the MCU, introduced Doctor Strange. Marvel was smart in bringing in both Strange and Ch'Talla with Downey's swansong coming up soon. Oh, and there's another Infinity Stone. Can't drop Guardians Vol. 2. It introduces The Sovereign, and by extension: Adam Warlock. It also introduces The Watchers, even if it is during a comic relief moment. The fact remains we know they exist in the MCU now. And lastly, the original Guardians of the Galaxy are brought in. And, of course, the linchpin that holds the whole thing together: Howard the Duck. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 16, 2017 4:17:30 GMT
Well they were never going to exclude Incredible Hulk. It's part of the original phase 1 pack. And unlike films like Green Lantern which DC was planning to include as part of the DCU but actually ignore it now, IHLK isn't the Spirit of Vengeance type of film that needs to be ignored. It's fine. Not the greatest ever, but it's ok. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 4:21:01 GMT
Well they were never going to exclude Incredible Hulk. It's part of the original phase 1 pack. And unlike films like Green Lantern which DC was planning to include as part of the DCU but actually ignore it now, IHLK isn't the Spirit of Vengeance type of film that needs to be ignored. It's fine. Not the greatest ever, but it's ok. I agree entirely. I'm just explaining why its the only easily skipped upon a rewatch of the whole series. I guarantee right now they are not using Thunderbolt Ross the way they originally intended. They probably just found a reasonable way to bring him back and went with it, and William Hurt's in no position to pass up work, so... |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 16, 2017 4:26:27 GMT
I agree entirely. I'm just explaining why its the only easily skipped upon a rewatch of the whole series. I guarantee right now they are not using Thunderbolt Ross the way they originally intended. They probably just found a reasonable way to bring him back and went with it, and William Hurt's in no position to pass up work, so... When all is said and done, I would be interested in hearing a more detailed breakdown from Feige about what they were planning originally and how much that changed based on the major success of something like Guardians, the sudden acquisition of Spiderman, and of course the less performance of Hulk. It's not a coincidence that the biggest mysteries like The Leader, are still from phase 1.
Let's stop bumping this idiots thread though.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jun 16, 2017 6:46:56 GMT
The MCU Hulk movie, I had already deleted this out of mind, and forgotten about it's existence, except for memories that seem mostly overridden by the less forgettable, but maybe worse, non-MCU pseudo-arthouse Hulk movie. It seems to me that Disney-Marvel and MCU fandom agree too on wanting to forget the former effort by silencing it to death.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 16, 2017 7:55:51 GMT
Also The Incredible Hulk. MCU wants so badly for people to forget The Incredible Hulk ever happened that they even replaced the actor playing Bruce Banner.
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Post by miike80 on Jun 16, 2017 15:03:03 GMT
If you had to delete one MCU movie from the existing canon, which would you choose? Personally I would get rid of Iron Man 3 because I think it would probably have the most minimal impact from a "big picture" standpoint. What say you? Antman or incredible hulk |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 15:52:44 GMT
Guardians 1 and 2. Because they also work stand alone.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 16, 2017 16:58:57 GMT
Incredible Hulk. It really doesn't add anything to the narrative, is only vaguely connected to the others, and features a different actor from the current MCU Hulk.
A close 2nd is IM3 because 1. There were too many loose ends in that movie and 2. It completely ruined the Mandarin character.
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Post by barkingbaphomet on Jun 16, 2017 17:16:00 GMT
even though i like it more than some others the Incredible Hulk makes the most sense, mostly due to script irrelevance, but also it would do away with the unfortunate dual casting of an important character.
sidenote: Banner's recruitment scene in Avengers Assemble confused me a bit the first time;i didn't know who he was supposed to be at first.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 16, 2017 18:40:48 GMT
Honestly, after watching Ruffalo in Avengers it wasn't clear to me whether both previous Hulk movies were supposed to be canon, just the Ed Norton one, or neither. It had no effect on my enjoyment of the movie though. William Hurt returned as "Thunderbolt" Ross in Captain America: Civil War. So I guess that's Marvel Studio's way of saying, "Yes, The Incredible Hulk still count as canon." That said, it's still the most disposable film. Can't drop Ironman. It's the start. Can't drop Ironman 2. That one introduces Black Widow and sets the precedent for how Tony Stark deals with personal problems: in the worst way possible. It's also the start of him pushing those closest to him away when the going gets tough. Can't drop Thor. It introduces the interstellar/interdimensional aspects of the MCU, which later films like Guardians and Doctor Strange would expand on. And Loki. Can't drop Captain America 1. That one introduces the Tesseract, the first of the Infinity Stones, and introduces the fact that Earth has been visited by otherworldly forces before. Plus, Chris Evans' abs. Can't drop The Avengers. That one formally introduces the Infinity Stone arc that's gone onto the dominant the whole damn thing. Oh, and Thanos. Can't drop Ironman 3. That one is where the paranoid, obsessed-with-protecting-everything-and-everyone Tony from Age of Ultron and Civil War was born. Can't drop Thor 2. Infinity Stone business. And more Loki. Can't drop Captain America: Winter Soldier. It introduces Falcon, brings back Bucky, and sets up everything that is to come politically within the narrative. Can't drop Guardians of the Galaxy. It expands on the outer space part of the MCU introduced in Thor, and they're going to continue expanding out into it. Plus, another Infinity Stone. And sweet 70s tunes. And Howard the Duck (this is obviously the most important part). Can't drop Avengers: Age of Ultron. It introduces Vision, Scarlet Witch, sends Hulk off to Ragnarok, sends Thor off on the journey that lands him in Ragnarok, and shows us for the first time just how Tony's paranoia and obsession is REALLY starting to strain his sanity and friendships. Plus, another Infinity Stone. And the creation of Ultron and dropping a city out of the sky are among the final straws leading to The Accords. ...That is a sentence I typed, and its accurate. Comic books are weird. You could drop Ant-Man at this point, but its still less disposable than TIH. You can't drop Captain America: Civil War. It introduces Black Panther, Spider-Man, The Accords, and the film ends with the Avengers split up and at odds with each other. Plus, Cap, Falcon, Bucky, Wanda, Hawkeye, Ant-Man, and Black Widow are all officially outlaws. Earth is more vulnerable than it ever was before with its mightiest heroes in-fighting instead of standing together. This is what's going to allow Thanos to take both Infinity Stones being held on Earth with such ease. Plus, Black Panther will likely go on to be one of the figures who assembles The Avengers in future film, alongside Doctor Strange. You can't drop Doctor Strange, because now they're REALLY expanded on the multidimensional angle of the MCU, introduced Doctor Strange. Marvel was smart in bringing in both Strange and Ch'Talla with Downey's swansong coming up soon. Oh, and there's another Infinity Stone. Can't drop Guardians Vol. 2. It introduces The Sovereign, and by extension: Adam Warlock. It also introduces The Watchers, even if it is during a comic relief moment. The fact remains we know they exist in the MCU now. And lastly, the original Guardians of the Galaxy are brought in. And, of course, the linchpin that holds the whole thing together: Howard the Duck. Easily one of the best MCU-related posts on this board to date. Nice job, man. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 16, 2017 18:52:48 GMT
even though i like it more than some others the Incredible Hulk makes the most sense, mostly due to script irrelevance, but also it would do away with the unfortunate dual casting of an important character. sidenote: Banner's recruitment scene in Avengers Assemble confused me a bit the first time;i didn't know who he was supposed to be at first. I was confused too! |
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Post by Jesse Custer on Jun 16, 2017 18:59:34 GMT
Incredible Hulk
Thor 1+2
Doctor Strange
Cap 1
Ant-Man
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 16, 2017 19:19:58 GMT
Incredible Hulk Thor 1+2 Doctor Strange Cap 1 Ant-Man Is that the order in which you would omit them, in terms of priority? Or just off the top of your head? Pretty sure they're in "release" order there but could be wrong. |
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Post by Jesse Custer on Jun 16, 2017 19:21:37 GMT
Just off the top of my head.
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