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Post by teleadm on Jun 17, 2017 14:15:31 GMT
Titanic 1997 James Cameron, since this is a period piece I think it's OK to bring it up here. Rainy sundays is a perfect day to watch very long movies, especially if it rains, and I thought why not take a second look at this, since I have it on a double DVD, but last time I watched it was when I had an old time TV (letter boxed). It is long, very long indeed. It has it's merits and it's faults.
I must admit I like the British 1958 A Night to Remember MUCH better, and the dry matter of fact way it was told, I haven't seen the Barbara Stanwyck-Clifton Webb movie from 1953, and I haven't seen the Nazi version from 1942/1943 (??), though I have seen an interersting docomentary about the latter.
"I'm King of the world" phrase is now part of 100 best phrases in movies according to AFI, alongside "rosebud", "we rob banks", "come up and see me sometime" and "made it ma, Top of the World". (sorry if I didn't write them absolutely correct).
Some of the CGI that was top of the arts back in 1997, looks very dated now , while other scenes works very well
Negative side besides beeing very long, I can't help thinking about an episode from Big Bang Theory, were it was told that Indiana Jones was actually unneccesary in Raider of the Lost Ark, the nazis found what they searched and brought it to an island and melted it would have happened without Indiana Jones anyway. The same with Titanic, we know it's destiny, no matter what our heroes do, it will all go to hell, or sink. Positive side: The non lead actors, Kathy Bates as the Unsinkable Molly Brown, David Warner as the smug vallet, Frances Fisher as the super snobby mother, and offcourse Gloria Stuart (The Old Dark House 1932, The Invisable Man 1933) as the old lady who tells the story.
Side note: This movie is still popular, last summer I worked in a second hand store, and we got tons of posters that nobody cared to even look at, and we also get frames that nobody buys, why not put them together, and they sold as quick as butter melts in the sunshine. A framed poster from Titanic, within 10 minutes after the shop opened it was gone, 35 goats was payed and delivered to Malawi poor people thanks to framing a few Titanic posters.
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Post by london777 on Jun 17, 2017 16:40:20 GMT
Should have used the US$200 million it cost to make to buy two million DVDs of A Night to Remember to give away and buy goats with the rest.
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Post by divtal on Jun 17, 2017 17:17:12 GMT
I like A Night to Remember, and Titanic ('53), very much. I see them every couple of years, or so. But, I dragged my feet for a few years on the Cameron version, until it was on TV. A local film critic wrote that, about 15 minutes into the screening, he thought "Oh, God. Will they never hit that damned iceberg?" That may have colored my thinking. While I still prefer the two earlier versions, I did appreciate the detail in the sets, costumes and some of the effects. I wouldn't go out of my way to see it, again ... but, if I were to run across it on cable, I might give it a view.
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Post by mikef6 on Jun 17, 2017 17:59:57 GMT
The detractors of “Titanic” have a lot of good points: the sappy love story, the “king of the world” line, the hocking loogies scene, and the film’s sheer length. Roger Ebert and his correspondents at his web site carried on debate spanning weeks about whether a young upper-class woman in 1912 would give someone The Finger. Also, nitpickers combed the dialog for anachronistic references. The one I like is delivered by Di Caprio when his Jack Dawson mentions that he has gone ice-fishing on Lake Wissota near Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin. Too bad, Jack. Lake Wissota is a man-made reservoir which was not created until after five years after the Titanic tragedy. I love this one because My Lovely Wife is from Wisconsin and we lived in the north of the state six years as a family, not far from Chippewa Falls and Lake Wissota.
But regardless of all these negatives, the performances you mention, esp. Gloria Stuart (I would add Winslet and, yes, even Leo to the list), the production values, the entire sinking sequence add up to a terrific movie going experience and a well-deserved Best Picture Oscar.
I have seen the 1943 German “Titanic” and am sure I wrote a review on the old boards but I can’t find it at the moment. Although usually described as “Nazi propaganda,” it is a pretty well-made picture and “matter-of-fact” in the style of the later “A Night To Remember.” It has a couple of comments that were critical of British craftsmanship and engineering and that may well have been the purpose of the movie but it is not pushed hard in a way we would describe “propaganda” today. Unless personal reasons keep you from seeing anything from Germany during the war, this is worth a look-see.
Titanic / Jean Negulesco (1953). Like the James Cameron epic, it is split into good and bad halves – ironically the opposite halves. The 1997 blockbuster is usually criticized for its poorly developed drama leading up to the sinking of the ship. This is where the older film excels. It presents a compelling family drama that is lead by a fine performance by Clifton Webb as a self-centered, famous actor who is pursuing his wife (Barbara Stanwyck) who has left him and is taking their two children back to America. “Are you going to live in Mac-a-knack?” sneers Webb. “Any place can sound ridiculous coming from your mouth,” Stanwyck shoots back. Complications ensue, leading Webb to reject his adoring son. Then…the ship hits that infamous iceberg. In contrast to the thrills and suspense that James Cameron provides, the sinking sequence in the 1953 is very lame. No explanation is given as to why there are too few lifeboats, the boats are filled in an orderly fashion, there is no panic, and the people from steerage are not locked below decks, and just as the ship disappears under the surface the film ends, sparing us the turmoil of the drowning and freezing people in the water. Really, the only reason not to turn it off as the iceberg looms is to see Webb’s great, final moment. A moment that should have been mentioned (but I didn’t think of it) in the former thread on movie characters redeeming themselves.
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Post by louise on Jun 17, 2017 18:16:01 GMT
I found it deeply annoying. the love story was really irritating - particularly maddening was that girl being allowed to wander all over the ship going into 3rd class etc - no upper class young girl would have been allowed to do that in those days, she would have been chaperoned. People who make period films nowadays have no understanding at all of the customs and morals of past times, they seem to think people were just us in fancy dress, but they weren't. and all that screaming and hysteria when the ship is hit - in fact there was very little panic until right at the end. they couldn't even persuade people to get into the boats at first, which is why many of them were lowered half empty. people expec ted another ship to come along and pick them up - that was the reason there was no requirement to have enough lifeboats for everyone aboard - they never expected everyone to need to use them all at once, they were supposed to be to ferry passengers over to the other ship.
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Post by MCDemuth on Jun 17, 2017 19:23:42 GMT
I like the 1997, wrap-around story.
The sets were incredible, and seeing the boarding/dock scenes are good, and I enjoy seeing the various parts of the ship.
I don't care for most of the story in the first half of the movie, which is the overall fictional love story. Also, while I like the actors, I don't feel like they were acting like it was really 1912... hocking loogies scene? really? Maybe people really did that in secret, but not in public, and I doubt anyone would admit to doing such things.
I love the various depictions of what was happening throughout the ship during the Iceberg collision scene, and the musical score that accompanied it. The final moments of the sinking are still powerful too...
The ending with Rose "Dawson" living her life to the fullest was OK, but cliche'.
Old Rose "Dying in Bed", and then going to Titanic "Heaven" was a bit over the top.
The movie was too long, and should have been shorter.
Is it a great movie? Not so much.
Is it a great telling of how the Titanic Sank (As Of 1997)? Yes.
I prefer A Night to Remember when it comes to telling the story of the passengers and crew.
I prefer Titanic (1997) to seeing the depiction of what happened to the RMS Titanic.
If there was only a way to pick apart the best parts of both films, and merge them into one...
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Post by teleadm on Jun 17, 2017 19:24:34 GMT
Lake Wissota near Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin. I have seen the 1943 German “Titanic” Unless personal reasons keep you from seeing anything from Germany during the war, this is worth a look-see. Thank you very much for taking the time to write so much. The use of Lake Wissota, it's not the first time a place is mentioned in a movie that was not even built yet, it is a case of sloppyness from the production team, that took so much, and I guess a lot of research, to recreate the ship on board in details. My guess is that they just opened an atlas and blind pointed and thought the name sounded good, but on that point didn't research enough. I have no personal reasons to not see the German Titanic 1943, except my lousy economy.
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Post by teleadm on Jun 17, 2017 19:30:20 GMT
I found it deeply annoying. the love story was really irritating - particularly maddening was that girl being allowed to wander all over the ship going into 3rd class etc - no upper class young girl would have been allowed to do that in those days, she would have been chaperoned. People who make period films nowadays have no understanding at all of the customs and morals of past times, they seem to think people were just us in fancy dress, but they weren't. and all that screaming and hysteria when the ship is hit - in fact there was very little panic until right at the end. they couldn't even persuade people to get into the boats at first, which is why many of them were lowered half empty. people expec ted another ship to come along and pick them up - that was the reason there was no requirement to have enough lifeboats for everyone aboard - they never expected everyone to need to use them all at once, they were supposed to be to ferry passengers over to the other ship. Thank you very much for writing! It made me think that the upper classes at that time might have been so protected from reality by their personal staffs, that they didn't know how to behave in a case of emergency, and the rumour or promise that a another ship is around the corner to pick them up sort of kept them calm.
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Post by marianne48 on Jun 18, 2017 1:48:59 GMT
Titanic (1997)--one of the most over-hyped movies of all time, and one of the worst Best Picture winners of all time. I still recall the seemingly endless "making of" TV specials that aired when this big, bloated teenage soap opera was first released, with the filmmakers crowing about the attention to detail in building the sets--the authenticity of the rivets on the ship, the accuracy of the menus in the dining scenes, etc. Now why on earth should movie audiences care about such trivial details (if they were even true)? Is the quality of Casablanca any less because the movie was filmed on a Warner Bros. studio backlot, and does anyone really care that the Emerald City on the horizon in The Wizard of Oz is obviously a backdrop? Tiny little details like this don't make a movie any better; maybe the time spent on them should have been invested instead in writing better dialogue, or researching actual events more thoroughly, or avoiding the many anachronisms in behavior and social customs that other posters have mentioned. It's also always bothered me that Rose held onto that piece of jewelry her whole life--how many women would keep a valuable piece of jewelry from a man whom she hated and escaped from? Since it held no sentimental value, any other woman would have sold it as soon as it was safe to do so.
A Night to Remember is and always will be the gold standard for Titanic movies. Instead of finding it necessary to add some silly juvenile love story, it sticks to true events for its drama. One of my all-time favorite movie moments: the musicians, knowing they're all doomed, disperse, only to reunite when the violinist begins to play a solo, and continue to play and sing a hymn. Likely a true account of what the musicians actually did according to accounts by survivors. And, in keeping with the contempt shown by the White Star Line to the "lower" classes, according to Titanic historian Walter Lord, the company apparently billed the families of the musicians for the loss of the clothing they wore at the time of their deaths. On a happier note, the drunk guy in the film reportedly survived.
The Nazi Titanic is pretty run-of-the-mill; the documentary about the making of the movie is actually more interesting.
The 1953 Titanic with Clifton Webb is forgettable. Like the 1997 version, the script concentrates unnecessarily on contrived drama, ignoring the more interesting stories that took place in real life.
I have a soft spot for the 1929 Atlantic, which was a fictionalized version of a Titanic-type tragedy. Creaky and stagy, it does have a touching ending.
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Post by bravomailer on Jun 18, 2017 1:59:58 GMT
Nice recreations of the great ship, but after an hour or so of a sappy love story I found myself rooting for the iceberg.
Ted Kennedy sat behind me in the theater.
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Post by outrider127 on Jun 18, 2017 2:19:12 GMT
Until the Iceberg hit in Titanic, I was immensely bored--I was never bored watching A Night To Remember
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Post by petrolino on Jun 18, 2017 2:28:43 GMT
I enjoy the second half considerably more than the first half but it's a great movie. If I sit down and glance at it, just for a second, I'm hooked.
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Post by Doghouse6 on Jun 18, 2017 3:10:17 GMT
James Cameron is a good old-fashioned storyteller who sticks to the basics: clearly-defined good/bad guys, gals and unambiguous moral messaging with a social conscience, through which he filters contemporary sensibilities by way of trademarks like strong female characters. Within that traditional framework, his biggest weakness as a writer is cliched - and in the case of a period piece like Titanic, anachronistic - dialogue. But that basic approach is among the things I assume account for his broad appeal and success.
Another film maker with his resources might have opted for a more impartial and documentary-like rendering of these historical events (as A Night To Remember did), but he went instead for strong audience identification with principle characters that the script contrives to put in all locations aboard the ship, from bow to stern and from first-class and steerage to engine room and cargo hold, so that it's through their eyes we witness key aspects of the unfolding tragedy. The present-day scenes further enhance accessibility to the story, furnishing both clinical and personal narration. It's all done in big, broad strokes and he covers all the bases.
No film can satisfy everyone's tastes or levels of sophistication, but this one apparently came closer than most.
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Post by claudius on Jun 18, 2017 13:16:53 GMT
I liked the Cameron film, although ANtR is the better one.
Any comments about the TV films? SOS TITANIC (1979) David Warner, Susan Saint James, Cloris Leachman, Helen Mirren, Ian Holm, and Frank Janseen. TITANIC (1996) The TV-mini attempt to cash-in on the upcoming film, with Catherine Zeta Jones and Peter Gallagher as adulterous lovers, Marilu Henner as Molly Brown, George C. Scott as Capt. Smith, and Tim Curry as a steward/thief/rapist. The 'Nanny kidnapper' story gets emphasis. TITANIC (2012) Julian Fellowes' rather confusing TV-film.
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Post by MCDemuth on Jun 18, 2017 13:56:26 GMT
Any comments about the TV films? TITANIC (1996) The TV-mini attempt to cash-in on the upcoming film, with ... Tim Curry as a steward/thief/rapist. The Rape Scene... The single most reason to hate this film... If this event was fictional! I have been fascinated by the Titanic most of my life and I have watched most of the films, mini-series, & documentaries made about Titanic... And I have never heard anything about anyone being raped on Titanic. Is it possible that a rape like that could happen as depicted? Yes. But, when 1500 people die horribly, you just DON'T make up crap like that when telling the story of the tragedy... Where the hell did the idea for this crap come from? If this really did happen, I'll be more than happy to get off my Soapbox... but still... That should never have been depicted on film. It had nothing to do with a ship hitting an iceberg and sinking. With that said... Tim Curry was creepy as hell in that scene.
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Post by louise on Jun 18, 2017 15:10:40 GMT
I found it deeply annoying. the love story was really irritating - particularly maddening was that girl being allowed to wander all over the ship going into 3rd class etc - no upper class young girl would have been allowed to do that in those days, she would have been chaperoned. People who make period films nowadays have no understanding at all of the customs and morals of past times, they seem to think people were just us in fancy dress, but they weren't. and all that screaming and hysteria when the ship is hit - in fact there was very little panic until right at the end. they couldn't even persuade people to get into the boats at first, which is why many of them were lowered half empty. people expec ted another ship to come along and pick them up - that was the reason there was no requirement to have enough lifeboats for everyone aboard - they never expected everyone to need to use them all at once, they were supposed to be to ferry passengers over to the other ship. Thank you very much for writing! It made me think that the upper classes at that time might have been so protected from reality by their personal staffs, that they didn't know how to behave in a case of emergency, and the rumour or promise that a another ship is around the corner to pick them up sort of kept them calm. There seems to have been a general lack of panic, Violet Jessop, who was a stewardess on the Titanic,wrote about the reaction in her book Titanic Survivor: "I continued through my section trying to reassure, answering questions to which there seemed no answer. Everywhere I found extraordinary calmness. People who had been asleep were dressing, fumbling sleepy-eyed with buttons. They were unemotional, probably thinking as I did that it was all too fantastic. Those who had not yet retired for the night were standing in groups on the companion square, chatting in the restrained, well-bred manner of the day. Suddenly orders came down, striking a deeper chill to the consciousness. Everybody to the boats, but just as a precautionary measure of course. We continued to fix lifebelts, reminding people to put on warm clothing, take blankets and valuables. Yes, of course, we reiterated from room to room, just a precautionary measure! Reluctantly, slowly, people started up the companions, still inclined to chat by the way, some joking and quite unhurried, taking their time about it. From above, officers' anxious faces peered down, loath to give undue alarm but wishing people would bestir themselves. To those few who showed concern, a reassuring answer was forthcoming; 'There are plenty of boats in the vicinity; they'll be with us any moment now.' Those dear youngsters in the cabin opposite ours thought it was all 'a grand show.' All passengers upstairs at last. I looked around. There was no sound. Titanic was as steady as a rock, she might have been in dock and all the crew gone home. . . You could almost imagine this a scene of busily curious people with not very much to do. True, there were officers and men briskly getting lifeboats ready to lower, their tense faces strangely in contrast to the well ordered groups wandering about. I felt chilly without a coat, so I went down again for something to cover my shoulders and picked up a silk eiderdown from the first open cabin I came to. How strange it was to pass those rooms it up so brilliantly, their door open and contents lying around in disorder. Jewels sparkled on dressing tables and a pair of silver slippers were lying just where they had been kicked off. As I turned I ran into Jock, the bandleader and his crowd with their instruments. 'Funny, they must be going to play' thought I, and at this late hour! Jock smiled in passing, looking rather pale for him, remarking, 'Just going to give them a tune to cheer things up a bit.' and passed on. Presently the strains of the band reached me faintly as I stood on deck watching a young woman excitedly remonstrating with an embarrassed young officer. He wanted her to get into the lifeboat he was trying to fill but she refused to go without her father. 'He must wait' responded the officer, 'till the decks are cleared of women and children.' Out on deck, the first arguments started over who would and who wouldn't go into the boats which appeared to be suspended miles above the yawning blackness below. Nobody was anxious to move; Titanic seemed so steady. To justify their reluctance, some pointed to a light on the horizon: another ship's lights! People were reassured, content to bide their time. One boat was already being lowered with very few people in it. When this was pointed out as a shining example for backward souls by the officer near me, he got a rather alarming response as the crowd surged forward to embark. The boat was lowered very full, almost too full this time, and so on. Always some held back in need of coaxing while a few were too eager. A steward stood waiting with his back to the bulkhead, cigarette in mouth and hands in his pockets. It struck me forcibly as the first time I had ever seen a steward stand thus among a group of distinguished guests. A few women near me started to cry loudly when they realized a parting had to take place, their husbands standing silently by. They were Poles and could not understand a word of English. Surely a terrible plight, to be among a crowd in such a situation, and not be able to understand anything that is being said. Boats were now being lowered more rapidly and a crowd of foreigners was brought up by a steward from the third class. They dashed eagerly as one man over to a boat, almost more than the officer could control. But he regained order and managed to get the boat away. It descended slowly, uncertainly at first, now one end up and then the other; the falls were new and difficult to handle. My arm was suddenly jerked and I turned to see young Mason who had been busy filling a boat. His face looked weary and tired, but he gave a bright smile as he ordered my group into the boat, calling out 'Good luck!' as I stepped in, helped by his willing guiding hand. I nearly fell over the tackle and oars as I tried to assist Ann (another stewardess) in beside me. Before I could do anything, young Mason hailed me and held up something, calling as he prepared to throw it 'Look after this, will you?' and I reached out to receive somebody's forgotten baby in my arms. The boat was full now, full of people will dull, inquiring faces. I spoke to one woman but she shook her head, not understanding a word I said. 'Surely it is all a dream' I thought as I looked up the side of the ship, beautifully illuminated, each deck alive with lights; the dynamos were on the top deck. I tried to make myself believe it could not be true, all this. I even noticed a few people leaning over a rail, watching in an unconcerned manner; perhaps they too were persuading themselves it was all a dream. We touched the water with a terrific thud, a bone-cracking thud which started the baby crying in earnest. Somebody in the forepart ordered oars out and we slowly pulled away from the side of the ship. I noticed one of the few men in the boat rowing: he was a fireman who had evidently just come up from the stokehold, his face still black with coal dust and eyes red-rimmed, wearing only a thin singlet to protect him from the icy cold. Taking a cigarette from his trouser pocket, he offered me half, poor devil! I started unconsciously to count the decks by the rows of lights. One, two, three, four, five six: then again - one, two, three, four five. I stopped. Surely I had miscounted. I went over them again more carefully, hushing the whimpering baby meanwhile. No, I had made no mistake. There were only five decks now; then I started all over again - only four now. She was getting lower in the water, I could no longer deny it. As if all could read my mind, the women in the boat started to weep, some silently, some unrestrainedly. I closed my eyes and prayed, prayed for one and all but dared not think of anyone in particular. I dared not visualise those people I had just left, warm and alive as I was. I tried to busy myself with the baby, but could not refrain from looking up again. Only three decks now, and still not a list to one side or the other. Desperately i turned to where that other ship's lights shone on the horizon, surely they should be getting nearer by now. It was such a long, long time since we had first seen their comforting glow. They should be with us by now, taking off those patient waiting people over there. But no, she did not seem nearer, in fact, she seemed further away. Strange! A tiny breeze, the first we had felt on this calm night, blew an icy blast across my face; it felt like a knife in its penetrating coldness. I sat paralyzed with cold and misery as I watched Titanic give a lurch forward. One of the huge funnels toppled off like a cardboard model, falling into the sea with a fearful roar. A few cries came to us across the water, then silence, as the ship seemed to right herself like a hurt animal with a broken back. She settled for a few minutes, but one more deck of lighted ports disappeared. Then she went down by the head with a thundering roar of underwater explosions, our proud ship, our beautiful Titanic gone to her doom"
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Post by MCDemuth on Jun 18, 2017 16:44:29 GMT
Violet Jessop, who was a stewardess on the Titanic,wrote about the reaction in her book Titanic Survivor: Thank You for sharing her story... and the rumour or promise that a another ship is around the corner to pick them up sort of kept them calm. To justify their reluctance, some pointed to a light on the horizon: another ship's lights! People were reassured, content to bide their time. Desperately i turned to where that other ship's lights shone on the horizon, surely they should be getting nearer by now. It was such a long, long time since we had first seen their comforting glow. They should be with us by now, taking off those patient waiting people over there. But no, she did not seem nearer, in fact, she seemed further away. Strange! Over the years there has been talk about a "Mystery Ship" that many saw that night. This ship must be the one that Violet Jessop clearly mentions... It seems that, according to official position reports, the Californian and the Titanic were supposed to be too far apart at the time of the sinking, and that it should NOT have been possible for anyone on Titanic to see the Californian... However, it is now more publically known... That shortly after the iceberg collision, Titanic started her engines and sailed for ten minutes at Slow Ahead speed. Most likely towards the North, where the Californian happened to be. This would have closed the distance, and the Californian would have been able to have been seen... "Mystery" Solved... The ship sailing on, has not been shown in most films, if any. It certainly was not shown in A Night To Remember or Titanic (1997). I also believe... this movement and the final location of the ship was not relayed to the radio room, and thus explains why searchers had so much trouble looking for the shipwreck... It was discovered even moving the Titanic at Slow Ahead speed, was increasing the flow rate of the water flooding the ship, and it was decided to let the ship drift to a halt. If the ship was allowed to later drift with the ocean current, and the Californian was holding position, that could explain why the Californian appeared to get farther away from Titanic as she sank in her final moments.
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Post by claudius on Jun 18, 2017 19:27:57 GMT
Wasn't one theory was the 'mystery ship' was a Russian ship that decided to make itself scarce?
I would also visit the Titanic as plot point for several pieces: Noel Coward's CAVALCADE, adapted into film in 1933, features a scene of newlyweds on a ship imagining their future together. There is a life preserver whose name is obscured by their presence, until their departure reveals the name (the newlyweds don't survive).
UPSTAIRS DOWNSTAIR'S 3rd season opener ends with the departure of matriarch Marjorie Bellamy, with her homebound husband sending a wireless message, commenting on the ship and the date. This was done to appease actress Rachel Gurney's decision to leave the series (she later regretted her decision), with the writers' inspired by CAVALCADE. The following episode, with the cast mourning the lost mistress, makes several comments: that the 'Unsinkable' claim bore an insult to God, suggesting (in their Victorian view) divine punishment. There is another comment that the lack of lifeboats was very necessary in terms of facts and figures. Finally, the episode reveals that Lady Marjorie's personal servant Miss Roberts had survived, suffering PSTD (the disaster also kills Marjorie's brother and his new wife, orphaning stepdaughter Georgina and having her join the cast for the rest of the series). Of course, the historical argument is that the Titanic casualties bore no upper class ladies on their list. However, the 1997 film played loose with this fact too, with the implication that Rose had to be 'dead' in order to gain her freedom.
And then there is DOWNTON ABBEY'S opening plot-point about the disaster stripping the manor of its male heirs.
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Post by vegalyra on Jun 19, 2017 18:16:04 GMT
I thought the film was okay. I was in college when I saw it twice at the local theater (with two different dates that insisted on watching it). I enjoy the time period and Billy Zane was great, but outside of that I don't remember much of it anymore.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jun 19, 2017 19:51:28 GMT
Negative side besides beeing very long, I can't help thinking about an episode from Big Bang Theory, were it was told that Indiana Jones was actually unneccesary in Raider of the Lost Ark, the nazis found what they searched and brought it to an island and melted it would have happened without Indiana Jones anyway. The same with Titanic, we know it's destiny, no matter what our heroes do, it will all go to hell, or sink. JC's lead fictional character male saved his lead fictional female from suicide, or worse a life with putrid Cal in America. A- ...my #46 all time. It was nearly a decade from its overwhelmingly memorable theatrical experience that I began to really warm up to it as a film proper. It is at the end of the day, JC's tour de force masterpiece (beyond much of T2's accomplishments). While the romance angle is pretty straightforward, it allows a lightness to bring us through the drama. As it is, the second act alone remains beyond most anything ever filmed; cgi eat your heart out. I get that it has a lot of detractors, thankfully the film is aged enough that debate is healthy enough to let bygones be bygones. ps didn't Indy locate the correct resting place of the Ark? I suppose since it being only 1936, the Nazis might've still had time to find it... unless their resources were pulled out & pooled elsewhere for their own war efforts.
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