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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 21, 2017 23:28:17 GMT
Strong feelings? Why? Why would US/UK Military actions in Syria lead a person in Pakistan to blow themselves up to attack Brits? Well as a for instance, plenty of people in the west talk about "a war on islam", either that there should be one or there already is one. He may have been of the opinion that actions in Syria were aimed against muslims, and that striking back was justified. Or maybe it was more personal - maybe he has some distant cousin or friend that was blown up in a drone strike or something. Ah, that's okay, I didn't intend it that way but I can see how you might have thought I did. No harm done.  Maybe, but none of the people responsible for the attacks on British soil fit that profile to my knowledge. The 7/7 bombers were from Yorkshire, Lee Rigby's killer was British of Nigerian descent. The Westminster attacker was British of African descent and the London Bridge attackers were one British Pakistani and two Pakistanis. |
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 22, 2017 0:13:21 GMT
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Post by RedRuth1966 on Jun 23, 2017 9:00:28 GMT
Indeed, why should a British Muslim, raised in a secular democracy, afforded all the rights and privileges of Western Society, who presumably interacts with British people react in this way without some kind of outside radicalisation? And this is the problem that needs addressing. I agree and we should start by acknowledging the role wars in Syria/Yemen/Iraq/Afghanistan have on recruiting and radicalising terrorists and sympathisers. I seem to remember Corbyn bought this up and I honestly can't see why his opinion is controversial, guilt I suppose given that he's one of the few MPs who voted against all our recent wars. The Independent quoted a former MI5 chief as saying ..... At the Iraq Inquiry in 2010, Baroness Manningham-Buller, the former head of MI5, said the invasion had “substantially” increased the terrorist threat to the UK, by radicalising young people. It seems stating the bleeding obvious to me. As for attacks in other European countries, if some Muslims see themselves as part of a united Islamic diaspora (not sure that's the best word) then it's quite likely they see all Europeans in the same way. |
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 23, 2017 23:28:23 GMT
Indeed, why should a British Muslim, raised in a secular democracy, afforded all the rights and privileges of Western Society, who presumably interacts with British people react in this way without some kind of outside radicalisation? And this is the problem that needs addressing. I agree and we should start by acknowledging the role wars in Syria/Yemen/Iraq/Afghanistan have on recruiting and radicalising terrorists and sympathisers. I seem to remember Corbyn bought this up and I honestly can't see why his opinion is controversial, guilt I suppose given that he's one of the few MPs who voted against all our recent wars. The Independent quoted a former MI5 chief as saying ..... At the Iraq Inquiry in 2010, Baroness Manningham-Buller, the former head of MI5, said the invasion had “substantially” increased the terrorist threat to the UK, by radicalising young people. It seems stating the bleeding obvious to me. As for attacks in other European countries, if some Muslims see themselves as part of a united Islamic diaspora (not sure that's the best word) then it's quite likely they see all Europeans in the same way. His opinion is controversial because because there is no logical link between British Foreign policy and third generation British Asians committing terror. The whole thing comes across as apologetics, because no right minded Briton would ever travel to Yemen to blow himself up because Indonesia had invaded Australia. Again, I can fully understand Middle Eastern people fighting against Western militaries, or even carrying their fight over here. But that isn't what we are seeing and the fact that they are not discriminating between countries involved in military actions and ones that aren't argues against the premise. Hell, ISIS are attacking the Philippines, what did they ever do? The problem in the UK is not primarily British foreign policy, we don't see Christians, Jews or atheists killing Europeans and I'm pretty sure that NATO bombs are just as lethal to those people. Why hasn't the US seen terror attacks by Vietnamese? Why has the UK not seen attacks by Argentines? The ideology of radical Islam is the problem and this is what needs sorting. And I'll say it again. Every time we hear "not all" "religion of peace" and all those other platitudes, we simply make it harder for reformers. Check out what Maajid Nawaz says on the subject. |
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 23, 2017 23:38:02 GMT
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Post by deembastille on Jun 23, 2017 23:43:10 GMT
Are we all going to pretend an equivalency here? And we going to pretend that this isn't a reaction to Islamic terror attacks across Europe for the last decade? This is the United Kingdom in the 21c and we are inching towards a religious war of terror. since when has war NOT been about religion??? |
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 24, 2017 1:03:53 GMT
Are we all going to pretend an equivalency here? And we going to pretend that this isn't a reaction to Islamic terror attacks across Europe for the last decade? This is the United Kingdom in the 21c and we are inching towards a religious war of terror. since when has war NOT been about religion??? Religion has been a major contributor to war, but also it has been used as an excuse for the pursuit of power and wealth. Want of power is perhaps the main contributor to global misery. |
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