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Post by Cinemachinery on Jun 19, 2017 7:25:52 GMT
Looks like "It's not all Muslims" might be more a more necessary message in the U.K. than was recently posited on this forum.
I bet ISIS is delighted.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 8:19:57 GMT
Looks like "It's not all Muslims" might be more a more necessary message in the U.K. than was recently posited on this forum. I bet ISIS is delighted. To understand this attack Cine you have to look at the mosque itself. Finsbury Park Mosque has long been viewed as the very centre of Islamic extremism in Britain. And with good reason, an imprisoned hate preacher was the Imam of that mosque for years,several terrorists and would be terrorists have worshipped their and the government closed it down in 2003 for these offences. However it was reopened in 2005 to great fanfare and general acclaim. Here's the problem it is preaching an extreme form of Islam known as Salafism the same strain that is taught in the mosque near my house that the Manchester suicide bomber worshipped at. That in no way excuses what happened. But hate preaching in mosques is a real problem in the UK and only know are we beginning to get to grips with it. This mosque(built and financed by Saudi money) should never have been allowed to reopen in fact it should have been publically razed to the ground in 2003. Rightly or wrongly it stands as a symbol of extremism in this country which is why this idiot attacked it. Either these valid concerns continue to be addressed or more senseless attacks like this one will follow. My condolences to the family of the person who died.
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Post by PanLeo on Jun 19, 2017 9:12:02 GMT
I am of the opinion some vigilante shootings or bombings need to happen but not against innocents. We know who the Jihadis are. One of those responsible for the London terror attack was on a TV programme called 'Jihadis Next Door' for gods sake. You have to fight fire with fire instead of just kindly asking the fire to stop burning you alive.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 19, 2017 14:17:38 GMT
Looks like "It's not all Muslims" might be more a more necessary message in the U.K. than was recently posited on this forum. I bet ISIS is delighted. So in a nation of 61,000,000 non Muslims you wish to argue that one man attacking Muslims is a basis for preaching "not all" every single time a Muslim kills non Muslims?
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 19, 2017 14:21:51 GMT
I told you so is not a good position to be in.
So we have another dead man and another families life ruined. For what? And the authorities in this country will make it worse. They will absolutely refuse to adress the cause of the violence in this country. Instead they will moral grandstand and talk shit about diversity and inclusion and all that bollocks, while Islamists plot to kill innocents and others plot to kill innocents in response.
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Post by The Lost One on Jun 19, 2017 14:27:14 GMT
I told you so is not a good position to be in. So we have another dead man and another families life ruined. For what? And the authorities in this country will make it worse. They will absolutely refuse to adress the cause of the violence in this country. Instead they will moral grandstand and talk shit about diversity and inclusion and all that bollocks, while Islamists plot to kill innocents and others plot to kill innocents in response. What do you reckon they should do instead?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 14:57:46 GMT
I told you so is not a good position to be in. So we have another dead man and another families life ruined. For what? And the authorities in this country will make it worse. They will absolutely refuse to adress the cause of the violence in this country. Instead they will moral grandstand and talk shit about diversity and inclusion and all that bollocks, while Islamists plot to kill innocents and others plot to kill innocents in response. What do you reckon they should do instead? What they should have started ten years ago. Closing down and destroying of all Mosques that preach hate. The complete banning of any foreign money to help build British mosques(particularly from Saudi Arabia and Kuwait). This mosque should have never been reopened. And to give you an idea of the problem read this link en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undercover_Mosque
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 19, 2017 15:02:37 GMT
I told you so is not a good position to be in. So we have another dead man and another families life ruined. For what? And the authorities in this country will make it worse. They will absolutely refuse to adress the cause of the violence in this country. Instead they will moral grandstand and talk shit about diversity and inclusion and all that bollocks, while Islamists plot to kill innocents and others plot to kill innocents in response. What do you reckon they should do instead? Round up the 400 known Jihadis and either deport or imprison them. Refuse re-entry to any UK citizen who fights for a terrorist organisiation. Shut down all religious schools and enforce secular education standards. Shut down any Mosque with links to terrorists or any that promote Salafism or Whabbism. Apply the law equally to all and stop allowing religion or culture as a defence Scruntise the media to report more honestly and stop narrative pushing, as the BBC has been guilty of three times in the last month. Have a serious conversation about whether "diversity" actually helps or hinders a society. We simply assume it does, but we don't see these problems in stable homogeneous nations like Poland.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 15:09:27 GMT
What do you reckon they should do instead? Round up the 400 known Jihadis and either deport or imprison them. Refuse re-entry to any UK citizen who fights for a terrorist organisiation. Shut down all religious schools and enforce secular education standards. Shut down any Mosque with links to terrorists or any that promote Salafism or Whabbism. Apply the law equally to all and stop allowing religion or culture as a defence Scruntise the media to report more honestly and stop narrative pushing, as the BBC has been guilty of three times in the last month. Have a serious conversation about whether "diversity" actually helps or hinders a society. We simply assume it does, but we don't see these problems in stable homogeneous nations like Poland. The media "narrative pushing" Thor never: Yep the Imam is a hero so says Abdul. FFS Muslims good.
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Post by PanLeo on Jun 19, 2017 15:10:07 GMT
What do you reckon they should do instead? Round up the 400 known Jihadis and either deport or imprison them. Refuse re-entry to any UK citizen who fights for a terrorist organisiation. Shut down all religious schools and enforce secular education standards. Shut down any Mosque with links to terrorists or any that promote Salafism or Whabbism. Apply the law equally to all and stop allowing religion or culture as a defence Scruntise the media to report more honestly and stop narrative pushing, as the BBC has been guilty of three times in the last month. Have a serious conversation about whether "diversity" actually helps or hinders a society. We simply assume it does, but we don't see these problems in stable homogeneous nations like Poland. If you shut down all those mosques then how will you know who the Jihadis are?
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 19, 2017 15:25:22 GMT
Round up the 400 known Jihadis and either deport or imprison them. Refuse re-entry to any UK citizen who fights for a terrorist organisiation. Shut down all religious schools and enforce secular education standards. Shut down any Mosque with links to terrorists or any that promote Salafism or Whabbism. Apply the law equally to all and stop allowing religion or culture as a defence Scruntise the media to report more honestly and stop narrative pushing, as the BBC has been guilty of three times in the last month. Have a serious conversation about whether "diversity" actually helps or hinders a society. We simply assume it does, but we don't see these problems in stable homogeneous nations like Poland. If you shut down all those mosques then how will you know who the Jihadis are? We already know. We know of 400 who are acutally terrorists and a further 23,000 with links to terrorism.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 19, 2017 15:28:40 GMT
Round up the 400 known Jihadis and either deport or imprison them. Refuse re-entry to any UK citizen who fights for a terrorist organisiation. Shut down all religious schools and enforce secular education standards. Shut down any Mosque with links to terrorists or any that promote Salafism or Whabbism. Apply the law equally to all and stop allowing religion or culture as a defence Scruntise the media to report more honestly and stop narrative pushing, as the BBC has been guilty of three times in the last month. Have a serious conversation about whether "diversity" actually helps or hinders a society. We simply assume it does, but we don't see these problems in stable homogeneous nations like Poland. The media "narrative pushing" Thor never: Yep the Imam is a hero so says Abdul. FFS Muslims good. The BBC is lost. First the Fake protest by CNN that the BBC replayed, on that further footage shows the CNN staff handing out the flowers and placards aand shows no actual demonstration taking place. Then it edited part of an interview with a witness who saw three Muslims attack a care worker with knives, shouting "This is for Allah" to remove the references to Islam. Then they ran with the headline "Three Palestinians dead after fatal stabbing" The facts of which were, three militants attacked and killed a female IDF officer and were subsequently killed by police.
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Post by PanLeo on Jun 19, 2017 15:52:19 GMT
If you shut down all those mosques then how will you know who the Jihadis are? We already know. We know of 400 who are acutally terrorists and a further 23,000 with links to terrorism. And what about in 20 years time? How will we know then?
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 19, 2017 15:54:01 GMT
We already know. We know of 400 who are acutally terrorists and a further 23,000 with links to terrorism. And what about in 20 years time? How will we know then? In 20 years we should have worked through this. If we stop religious schools, Mosques and prisons poisoning the minds of young Muslims we should stop the problem.
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Post by PanLeo on Jun 19, 2017 16:03:02 GMT
And what about in 20 years time? How will we know then? In 20 years we should have worked through this. If we stop religious schools, Mosques and prisons poisoning the minds of young Muslims we should stop the problem. Okay what about in 5?
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 19, 2017 16:07:44 GMT
In 20 years we should have worked through this. If we stop religious schools, Mosques and prisons poisoning the minds of young Muslims we should stop the problem. Okay what about in 5? Are you suggesting that the best course of action is to allow Mosques to keep radicalising youth?
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Post by PanLeo on Jun 19, 2017 16:13:25 GMT
Are you suggesting that the best course of action is to allow Mosques to keep radicalising youth? With the mosques open we know exactly who has terrorist sympathies and who they associate with. Under your system a lot of people slip under the radar and our knowledge of who associates with who diminishes. Just to clarify though I am not saying those mosques should be given the freedom to do what they wantnand get funding from whoever they want.
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Post by The Lost One on Jun 19, 2017 16:18:18 GMT
What do you reckon they should do instead? Round up the 400 known Jihadis and either deport or imprison them. Refuse re-entry to any UK citizen who fights for a terrorist organisiation. Shut down all religious schools and enforce secular education standards. Shut down any Mosque with links to terrorists or any that promote Salafism or Whabbism. Apply the law equally to all and stop allowing religion or culture as a defence I don't exactly disagree with these but there is a danger that this might play into the hands of ISIS if not handled deftly. Also how would you assess if a Mosque was Salafist enough to shut down? Sure, although the press is pretty awful about all things. But the UK is already pretty diverse. You can't really undo that.
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 19, 2017 16:27:10 GMT
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 19, 2017 16:30:40 GMT
Round up the 400 known Jihadis and either deport or imprison them. Refuse re-entry to any UK citizen who fights for a terrorist organisiation. Shut down all religious schools and enforce secular education standards. Shut down any Mosque with links to terrorists or any that promote Salafism or Whabbism. Apply the law equally to all and stop allowing religion or culture as a defence I don't exactly disagree with these but there is a danger that this might play into the hands of ISIS if not handled deftly. Also how would you assess if a Mosque was Salafist enough to shut down? Sure, although the press is pretty awful about all things. But the UK is already pretty diverse. You can't really undo that. ANY Salafist material, shut it down. So what? ISIS are a symptom not the disease. No, but we can stop it getting worse while we work on social cohesion.
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