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Post by phludowin on Jun 19, 2017 22:17:53 GMT
Let me tell you something mate. The treaty of Versailles played a part in the Holocaust. But what the German historians seem to be leading you away from is an uncomfortable truth. Rampant Christian anti-Semitism going back to Martin Luther which ran through every strata of German society is why the holocaust happened. That is the reality, prejudice and nationalism of the most popular unpleasant kind. Unchecked hate speech spewed in the Lutheran and Catholic churches of Germany,year after year,decade after decade rampant anti-Semitism passed from father to son,priest to worshipper. And when a man called Hitler mined that vain all of Europe burned. So you can talk about Treaties and totalitarian governments but the fact of that matter is the German psyche and it's willingness to tolerate fascists is why the Holocaust happened. Tell me something I don't know. Germany had antisemitic mentality, fueled by centuries of Christianity. So you just proved my point. Crushing the Nazis wouldn't have accomplished anything. If they had not come into power, someone else would have. The Weimar republic didn't have a chance against a century-old Christian yoke; especially not when what people really care about (exonomic security) is made impossible thanks to the Versailles treaty. Unless you are advocating that the Entente should have razed Germany to the ground and exterminated all Germans. But then, we would not be having this conversation right now.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 19, 2017 23:09:29 GMT
No, that mentality towards Nazis in 1930s Germany would have prevented the Holocaust. Had the French took Hitler seriously, the Second World war would never have started and after it did the French could have ended it in weeks, but chose to stay quiet and hope the bad man went away. Had the French taken Germany seriously, they would not have insisted on the Versailles treaty, and the Nazis would never have come to power. Back to topic: This mosque was apparently a reformed mosque; and no one on this thread has provided any evidence that they were preaching hate after 2005. I am therefore assuming that such evidence doesn't exist. The French did take them seriously in 1918. In 1938 they didn't, which is why they allowed Germany back into the Ruhr. Whilst Germany was engaged in Poland, the French army could have smashed its way into Germany as there was virtually no German forces to oppose them. They didn't, because they didn't recognise the threat Hitler really was.
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 20, 2017 1:48:24 GMT
tpfkar They need to raze the park! Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 10:29:43 GMT
tpfkar Sure, wanting to go extra-legal and raze things and adopt other tactics of the Islamists makes zero sense. I'm for internment without trial of any Muslim who is deemed a threat to the safety and security of the UK.The rule of law is whatever the population and their representatives will it to be. And changing the law to address new threats to our national security is part and parcel of that. And there you go again creating strawman positions for me. How many gays have I advocated be thrown of buildings? How many Muslims from different sects have I called to be executed? How many Caliphates have I advocated for? How many Christians have I persecuted and murdered? So don't compare me to these Islamists. And here's you answer we've tried integration,tolerance,acceptance of multiculturalism and absorbing people from inferior cultures to our own and not addressing the very real cultural and religious baggage they bring with them and worse teach to their children. Enough. All this has been seen in as a sign of weakness by those that seek to suppliant are tolerant liberal secular society with their own fascistic religious ideology. They are using our own values against us,and plenty of people both well intentioned and not are letting it happen. Either we change that value system to preserve it or face wholesale destruction of our way of life. Are we prepared to get used to terrorists attacks not every month, not even every week but every other day. Are we prepared to accept mass homophobia,mass misogyny the sexual abuse of our children all in the name of religious tolerance? Despite what sections of the press and politicans would have you believe the answer to that question is no Do you know what the end result of this path for the Muslims in Europe Rabbit? Because it's already happened in the former Yugoslavia.
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 20, 2017 11:04:33 GMT
tpfkar Sure, Amack, just like Pakistan, et. al. Give the raging people what they want. Nothing strawman about it just because you have different targets. I'll compare you to the Islamists every time you advocate their tactics. And good luck with your false bloody-on-both-ends dichotomy, we'll see who'll be fighting, Brit against Islamist, or just Brit against Brit. I'm for internment without trial of any Muslim who is deemed a threat to the safety and security of the UK.
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Post by phludowin on Jun 20, 2017 13:41:03 GMT
The French did take them seriously in 1918. In 1938 they didn't, which is why they allowed Germany back into the Ruhr. Whilst Germany was engaged in Poland, the French army could have smashed its way into Germany as there was virtually no German forces to oppose them.Unproven assumption. Or maybe because they knew more about warfare than you do.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 14:07:04 GMT
The BBC is lost. First the Fake protest by CNN that the BBC replayed, on that further footage shows the CNN staff handing out the flowers and placards aand shows no actual demonstration taking place. Then it edited part of an interview with a witness who saw three Muslims attack a care worker with knives, shouting "This is for Allah" to remove the references to Islam. Then they ran with the headline "Three Palestinians dead after fatal stabbing" The facts of which were, three militants attacked and killed a female IDF officer and were subsequently killed by police. Not just the BBC. Look at this article from the Guardian www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jun/20/anti-muslim-hate-surges-after-manchester-and-london-bridge-attacksSo Tell Mama is telling us about a surge in Islamophobic crime. Here's the problem: So a thoroughly discredited organisation which lied about its figures to do with Islamic hate crimes in 2012 is quoted by a left leaning national newspaper in 2017 without mentioning its previous lies about figures and subsequent loss of their government funding as a result. You couldn't make that up. So let's see what the police in Manchester said about this: That doesn't seem to tally with the picture that Tell Mama and the Guardian are trying to paint. This type of misleading bullshit is a daily happening in the national press these days. And following on from the hero Imam of Finsbury Park and the narrative Muslims are good. I give you from the same article: Just how long do you think people are going to allow others to force feed them this bullshit Thor?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 14:18:32 GMT
tpfI'm for internment without trial of any Muslim who is deemed a threat to the safety and security of the UK. What a rancid hypocrite you are Rabbit. Over and over again you take my statements out of context in an attempt to invalidate what I say. You never address any of the points I raise you just constantly repeat the same mantra over over again like Rain Man. Police,arrest,criminals good. That's essentially the sum total of what you've been posting to Thor and I for the last few months. It's completely pointless interacting with you.
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 20, 2017 14:24:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 14:45:39 GMT
Point to one of my lies right now dickhead. With quotes. Do it you fucking rain man goggle eyed freak.
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 20, 2017 15:04:16 GMT
tpfkar Eat shyte you barking halfwit moron. Your entire last post was pure AdJerism. Not a single one of your silly statements has been taken out of context. No "police,arrest,criminals good" nor even the idea was to be found in the post you're squealing that it's the "sum total of what you've been posting". Not that I won't post it where appropriate, much like the arguments against the PoE don't change just because "time". And then there's the link in the last sig which is just one more example of the cowardly mendacity that you readily employ as soon as your "arguments" collapse into a heap at or even without the slightest probing. You gush lies freely and without restraint, frequently punctuated by inane epithets and hilarious chest-puffing. I'm for internment without trial of any Muslim who is deemed a threat to the safety and security of the UK.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 15:29:57 GMT
tpfkar Eat shyte you barking halfwit moron. Your entire last post was pure AdJerism. Not a single one of your silly statements has been taken out of context. No "police,arrest,criminals good" nor even the idea was to be found in the post you're squealing that it's the "sum total of what you've been posting". Not that I won't post it where appropriate, much like the arguments against the PoE don't change just because "time". And then there's the link in the last sig which is just one more example of the cowardly mendacity that you readily employ as soon as your "arguments" collapse into a heap at or even without the slightest probing. You gush lies freely and without restraint, frequently punctuated by inane epithets and hilarious chest-puffing. I'm for internment without trial of any Muslim who is deemed a threat to the safety and security of the UK.Exactly as I thought. Not one example of my lies given. My last post showed a newspaper using as its primary source for an increase in Islamophobic attacks in Manchester a Muslim organisation that had its government funding removed in 2012 for lying about an increase in Islamophobic attacks after the Woolwich terrorist incident. That's a fact you fucking tool and if you'd bothered to read it you might have grasped that. And if you were here in the UK you would see the fucking never ending stream of Muslims being paraded in front of the news cameras everything from hero imam's to hero surgeons,to mosques opening their doors to the tower block fire survivors,to organising fund raising events and on and on it goes. Do you know what none of them have said? Islam was responsible for these atrocities and we need to route out the terrorists hiding in our communities. And why would they with people in power giving statements like this That's the mayor of my city Andy Burnham.
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 20, 2017 15:46:21 GMT
tpfkar Exactly as I thought. You're insane. There was not one single truth in the post in reference. That's not the post we were talking about, you dissembling squealer. If you now what to break that one down, respond to my reply to it. I grasp that you're a free-lying sh!t always puffing up his bird chest who calls for undemocratic action, a type that needs to be monitored by the authorities just as much as the Islamists do. I don't believe a single dribble of your rambling barked characterizations. It's a shame because you might stumble and accidentally get some accuracy in there occasionally. I'm for internment without trial of any Muslim who is deemed a threat to the safety and security of the UK.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 17:19:15 GMT
tpfkar Exactly as I thought. You're insane. There was not one single truth in the post in reference. That's not the post we were talking about, you dissembling squealer. If you now what to break that one down, respond to my reply to it. I grasp that you're a free-lying sh!t always puffing up his bird chest who calls for undemocratic action, a type that needs to be monitored by the authorities just as much as the Islamists do. I don't believe a single dribble of your rambling barked characterizations. It's a shame because you might stumble and accidentally get some accuracy in there occasionally. I'm for internment without trial of any Muslim who is deemed a threat to the safety and security of the UK.You've got nothing. Quote me lying. And now you think I should be monitored by the authorities. Conversation over. Maybe you should inform them of who I am. Brian Macken Manchester. Go right ahead you gutless little fruitbox.
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 20, 2017 17:34:38 GMT
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Jun 20, 2017 19:27:46 GMT
Round up the 400 known Jihadis and either deport or imprison them. Refuse re-entry to any UK citizen who fights for a terrorist organisiation. Shut down all religious schools and enforce secular education standards. Shut down any Mosque with links to terrorists or any that promote Salafism or Whabbism. Apply the law equally to all and stop allowing religion or culture as a defence Scruntise the media to report more honestly and stop narrative pushing, as the BBC has been guilty of three times in the last month. Have a serious conversation about whether "diversity" actually helps or hinders a society. We simply assume it does, but we don't see these problems in stable homogeneous nations like Poland. The media "narrative pushing" Thor never: Yep the Imam is a hero so says Abdul. FFS Muslims good. So the Imam isn't a hero because you say so?
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Jun 20, 2017 19:31:45 GMT
And do you know why they didn't do it? Because deep down (or even not so deep down), they thought the Nazis had a point. And why did they think it? Because they grew up knowing only authoritarian government (from the Kaiserreich), and they felt humiliated by the Versailles treaty. Germany was only learning democracy; but the humiliation from the Versailles treaty, and especially the economic consequences Germany suffered from ensured that democracy didn't have much of a chance. Let me tell you something mate. The treaty of Versailles played a part in the Holocaust. But what the German historians seem to be leading you away from is an uncomfortable truth. Rampant Christian anti-Semitism going back to Martin Luther which ran through every strata of German society is why the holocaust happened. That is the reality, prejudice and nationalism of the most popular unpleasant kind. Unchecked hate speech spewed in the Lutheran and Catholic churches of Germany,year after year,decade after decade rampant anti-Semitism passed from father to son,priest to worshipper. And when a man called Hitler mined that vain all of Europe burned. So you can talk about Treaties and totalitarian governments but the fact of that matter is the German psyche and it's willingness to tolerate fascists is why the Holocaust happened. The British are made of sterner stuff we hate fascists in all forms. And when the Penny is allowed to drop and the Brits see Islam for what it is then you can bet your bottom dollar we wouldn't go quietly into the night. So someone should have come along and razed these Lutheran and Catholic Churches and this would have stopped the Nazis?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 19:36:45 GMT
The media "narrative pushing" Thor never: Yep the Imam is a hero so says Abdul. FFS Muslims good. So the Imam isn't a hero because you say so? Yeah mate I'll take the word of another Muslim guy about the actions of Imam shall I. Video footage from his arrest doesn't confirm any of it. Of course if I watch the news media Jews are organizing the handing out of multi colored flowers to Muslims going to evening prayers. We're all big one multi cultural family here in Britain. Everyone's united and together. Do you think any of that is true?
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