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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 19:42:06 GMT
Let me tell you something mate. The treaty of Versailles played a part in the Holocaust. But what the German historians seem to be leading you away from is an uncomfortable truth. Rampant Christian anti-Semitism going back to Martin Luther which ran through every strata of German society is why the holocaust happened. That is the reality, prejudice and nationalism of the most popular unpleasant kind. Unchecked hate speech spewed in the Lutheran and Catholic churches of Germany,year after year,decade after decade rampant anti-Semitism passed from father to son,priest to worshipper. And when a man called Hitler mined that vain all of Europe burned. So you can talk about Treaties and totalitarian governments but the fact of that matter is the German psyche and it's willingness to tolerate fascists is why the Holocaust happened. The British are made of sterner stuff we hate fascists in all forms. And when the Penny is allowed to drop and the Brits see Islam for what it is then you can bet your bottom dollar we wouldn't go quietly into the night. So someone should have come along and razed these Lutheran and Catholic Churches and this would have stopped the Nazis? Did I say that Eddy? I said the beer halls of Munich because although anti-Semitism indoctrination began in church,it was fermented and shaped into a movement there. Just as these hate preaching mosques ferment a similar hatred of Jews in the UK.
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Jun 20, 2017 19:43:21 GMT
So the Imam isn't a hero because you say so? Yeah mate I'll take the word of another Muslim guy about the actions of Imam shall I. Video footage from his arrest doesn't confirm any of it. Of course if I watch the news media Jews are organizing the handing out of multi colored flowers to Muslims going to evening prayers. We're all big one multi cultural family here in Britain. Everyone's united and together. Do you think any of that is true? Ah, ok. You're so far gone that you can't even trust the word of any Muslim.
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Jun 20, 2017 19:46:47 GMT
So someone should have come along and razed these Lutheran and Catholic Churches and this would have stopped the Nazis? Did I say that Eddy? I said the beer halls of Munich because although anti-Semitism indoctrination began in church,it was fermented and shaped into a movement there. Just as these hate preaching mosques ferment a similar hatred of Jews in the UK. Sorry mate, you pretty much did, yes. I get that the Manchester attack hit a bit too close to home for you, but you're not being rational here. You've called in this thread for certain mosques and other locations which foment hate to be razed to the ground, as if that would help things in any way whatsoever.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 19:58:19 GMT
Yeah mate I'll take the word of another Muslim guy about the actions of Imam shall I. Video footage from his arrest doesn't confirm any of it. Of course if I watch the news media Jews are organizing the handing out of multi colored flowers to Muslims going to evening prayers. We're all big one multi cultural family here in Britain. Everyone's united and together. Do you think any of that is true? Ah, ok. You're so far gone that you can't even trust the word of any Muslim. And if this was a report in isolation I might give it some credence. Instead it fits a pattern that occurs after every terrorist atrocity. If a Muslim is a perpetrator focus on the "heoric" actions of every Muslim you can find no matter small. If Muslims are the victims portray their imams as heroes Christ like in their protection of even their enemies. Don't focus on the fact that many more of them are purveyors of hate who warp minds to encourage Muslims to murder in the name of Islam. This is propaganda to maintain the illusion that we are cohesive society,when it's clear we are not. How interesting that in all the threads about these recent terrorist atrocities you've barely said a word. Not one word of condemnation of the terrorists,or the hateful religious ideology that spawned them. And yet you've got no problem condemning me. Funny that.
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 20, 2017 19:59:26 GMT
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Jun 20, 2017 20:04:55 GMT
Ah, ok. You're so far gone that you can't even trust the word of any Muslim. And if this was a report in isolation I might give it some credence. Instead it fits a pattern that occurs after every terrorist atrocity. If a Muslim is a perpetrator focus on the "heoric" actions of every Muslim you can find no matter small. If Muslims are the victims portray their imams as heroes Christ like in their protection of even their enemies. Don't focus on the fact that many more of them are purveyors of hate who warp minds to encourage Muslims to murder in the name of Islam. This is propaganda to maintain the illusion that we are cohesive society,when it's clear we are not. How interesting that in all the threads about these recent terrorist atrocities you've barely said a word. Not one word of condemnation of the terrorists,or the hateful religious ideology that spawned them. And yet you've got no problem condemning me. Funny that. And we're done here. I've said plenty about the terrorist attacks and condemned the attackers many times, not that it needed it. Should go without saying that I think they're lower than shit on my shoe. No need to lie, just because you got caught saying something stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 20:09:23 GMT
None. Which none shithole liberal European countries that have large minority Muslim populations have been free from terrorist attacks? None. Do you suggest we carry on the same path and allow these terrorist attacks to increase while we preach tolerance and acceptance. The message is already being received loud and clear by the terrorists. We are weak and afraid to act,appeasement by any other name. The message needs to change.
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 20, 2017 20:18:53 GMT
tpfkar I suggest what I've suggested that it's not your false dichotomy of reactionary third-worldism vs. Sharia third-worldism. Take steps against radicalization and supporters of terror across the board, just based on evidence and not "feels good", and not singling out. You're weak with your frantic overreaction and bizarre ErJen-campy pronouncements. Nobody is "appeasing" the terrorists. Your "message" will get nothing but heavy push back instead of cooperation. Indiscriminate malice and mob mentality is bad from whatever end it springs. I'm for internment without trial of any Muslim who is deemed a threat to the safety and security of the UK.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 20:25:04 GMT
And if this was a report in isolation I might give it some credence. Instead it fits a pattern that occurs after every terrorist atrocity. If a Muslim is a perpetrator focus on the "heoric" actions of every Muslim you can find no matter small. If Muslims are the victims portray their imams as heroes Christ like in their protection of even their enemies. Don't focus on the fact that many more of them are purveyors of hate who warp minds to encourage Muslims to murder in the name of Islam. This is propaganda to maintain the illusion that we are cohesive society,when it's clear we are not. How interesting that in all the threads about these recent terrorist atrocities you've barely said a word. Not one word of condemnation of the terrorists,or the hateful religious ideology that spawned them. And yet you've got no problem condemning me. Funny that. And we're done here. I've said plenty about the terrorist attacks and condemned the attackers many times, not that it needed it. Should go without saying that I think they're lower than shit on my shoe. No need to lie, just because you got caught saying something stupid. Fine by me. I've already alienated some people in my life with my views. Not a problem. My family mean everything to me Eddy when you have a child maybe you'll understand. I know you think tolerance,integration and acceptance are the way to beat these terrorists. And I wish you were right. I just don't believe you are. It's time to consider whether I want to remain in this country much longer.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 20, 2017 20:27:05 GMT
The French did take them seriously in 1918. In 1938 they didn't, which is why they allowed Germany back into the Ruhr. Whilst Germany was engaged in Poland, the French army could have smashed its way into Germany as there was virtually no German forces to oppose them.Unproven assumption. Or maybe because they knew more about warfare than you do. No it isn't. Hitler committed about half of the German army to the Polish front. This included the best equipped and battle ready divisions. The french army could have easily pushed through the weak 45 divisions on the Western Front with the 94 divisions it had in North East France. Would that be why they lost the war in about six weeks and never mounted a major offensive? Neither the French nor the British really grasped the danger that Hitler represented.
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Jun 20, 2017 20:31:11 GMT
And we're done here. I've said plenty about the terrorist attacks and condemned the attackers many times, not that it needed it. Should go without saying that I think they're lower than shit on my shoe. No need to lie, just because you got caught saying something stupid. Fine by me. I've already alienated some people in my life with my views. Not a problem. My family mean everything to me Eddy when you have a child maybe you'll understand. I know you think tolerance,integration and acceptance are the way to beat these terrorists. And I wish you were right. I just don't believe you are. It's time to consider whether I want to remain in this country much longer. Ah, the Andrea Leadsom defence. I respect the fact you have children, doesn't make your opinion any more valid than mine though. I support more aggressive action to fight the spread of radicalism in this country, but razing houses of worship is a step too far for me. Obviously not for you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 20:31:54 GMT
tpfkar I suggest what I've suggested that it's not your false dichotomy of reactionary third-worldism vs. Sharia third-worldism. Take steps against radicalization and supporters of terror across the board, just based on evidence and not "feels good", and not singling out. You're weak with your frantic overreaction and bizarre ErJen-campy pronouncements. Nobody is "appeasing" the terrorists. Your "message" will get nothing but heavy push back instead of cooperation. Indiscriminate malice and mob mentality is bad from whatever end it springs. I'm for internment without trial of any Muslim who is deemed a threat to the safety and security of the UK.Rabbit are you under the illusion that we're not getting "heavy push back" now all over Europe. It's obvious to me I'm fighting a losing battle not just on this board but in real life. I will not talk about the subject of Islam on this board again.
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 20, 2017 20:35:34 GMT
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 20, 2017 20:36:26 GMT
tpfkar I suggest what I've suggested that it's not your false dichotomy of reactionary third-worldism vs. Sharia third-worldism. Take steps against radicalization and supporters of terror across the board, just based on evidence and not "feels good", and not singling out. You're weak with your frantic overreaction and bizarre ErJen-campy pronouncements. Nobody is "appeasing" the terrorists. Your "message" will get nothing but heavy push back instead of cooperation. Indiscriminate malice and mob mentality is bad from whatever end it springs. I'm for internment without trial of any Muslim who is deemed a threat to the safety and security of the UK.Rabbit are you under the illusion that we're not getting "heavy push back" now all over Europe. It's obvious to me I'm fighting a losing battle not just on this board but in real life. I will not talk about the subject of Islam on this board again. Don't be silenced by idiots.
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 20, 2017 20:39:04 GMT
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 20, 2017 20:43:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 20:56:05 GMT
Rabbit are you under the illusion that we're not getting "heavy push back" now all over Europe. It's obvious to me I'm fighting a losing battle not just on this board but in real life. I will not talk about the subject of Islam on this board again. Don't be silenced by idiots. This isn't a matter of speech mate. I'm tired of it. Eddy and Rabbit's opinion is the prevailing orthodoxy. Nothing you or I will say will change it. I don't feel comfortable saying how I feel any longer. Keep fighting the good fight mate.
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Jun 20, 2017 21:00:39 GMT
Don't be silenced by idiots. This isn't a matter of speech mate. I'm tired of it. Eddy and Rabbit's opinion is the prevailing orthodoxy. Nothing you or I will say will change it. I don't feel comfortable saying how I feel any longer. Keep fighting the good fight mate. And what exactly is my opinion, SD? Apart from being against razing mosques of course.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 21:07:36 GMT
This isn't a matter of speech mate. I'm tired of it. Eddy and Rabbit's opinion is the prevailing orthodoxy. Nothing you or I will say will change it. I don't feel comfortable saying how I feel any longer. Keep fighting the good fight mate. And what exactly is my opinion, SD? Apart from being against razing mosques of course. I'm done with this subject Eddy. Do you understand me? From now on I'll keep my own council.
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