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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 19:23:21 GMT
I do like to mess around from time to time. But I am also capable of being serious. Real trolls I want to ignore. Sometimes they just get under my skin and I lash out. Hey, I'm no one's judge, just saying it's not my thing. I'm not easily provoked or baited. I didnt feel judged or even accused. Just explained myself. The problem here is there are few active members and the ones we do have have established (?) relations. So its a lot of circular arguments. And there are some who are dug into their trench so deep its a waste of time and effort to talk them out of it. Trolls and blind fanboys can be found on each side of the no mans land. And there are no Wonder Women among them... |
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jun 21, 2017 19:28:17 GMT
Hey, I'm no one's judge, just saying it's not my thing. I'm not easily provoked or baited. I didnt feel judged or even accused. Just explained myself. The problem here is there are few active members and the ones we do have have established (?) relations. So its a lot of circular arguments. And there are some who are dug into their trench so deep its a waste of time and effort to talk them out of it. Trolls and blind fanboys can be found on each side of the no mans land. And there are no Wonder Women among them... Good analogy, makes perfect sense. People seem to think the Marvel formula is repetitive but, they're willing to spent the majority of there time here going around and around in the same repetitive circles. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 19:37:28 GMT
I didnt feel judged or even accused. Just explained myself. The problem here is there are few active members and the ones we do have have established (?) relations. So its a lot of circular arguments. And there are some who are dug into their trench so deep its a waste of time and effort to talk them out of it. Trolls and blind fanboys can be found on each side of the no mans land. And there are no Wonder Women among them... Good analogy, makes perfect sense. People seem to think the Marvel formula is repetitive but, they're willing to spent the majority of there time here going around and around in the same repetitive circles. Isnt it ironic, dont you think? But that irony is really wide spread. The whole adult thing is usually uttered by kids. And there are so many more examples. And what are we talking about? Two brands of Comic Book companies. Four studios making movies. That cant be something to get so worked up about? |
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Jun 21, 2017 20:13:26 GMT
screenrant.com/fantastic-four-reboot-kid-friendly-rumor/If this is true, then I'm gonna have to facepalm at the news. While I do want the X-Men to stay separate from the MCU, I don't see why Fox is even bothering with the Fantastic Four at this point. The last movie was a critical and commercial disaster, so what reason is there to still hold on to the brand? Why not? They've got nothing to lose. Fox has been committed to its sci-fi/fantasy films that are "loosely based on a Marvel comic book" for a while now. Doesn't even feel like the genuine IP anymore. I say let them keep the characters and make all the faux Marvel movies they want. Marvel should negotiate using the FF and X-Men simultaneously. We need a clearer dilineation between Marvel fans and Fox Marvel fans. Fox Marvel films is like walking into a fake Apple Store in China. No harm done if you've never been to a real one. You didn't like Logan?? What about X2 and DoFP?? Those were excellent X Men movies IMO. |
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Jun 21, 2017 20:16:07 GMT
If a new F4 movie comes out that is actually good I won't care if it's made by Fox, Marvel, WB or a porno studio. I will watch and enjoy!
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Jun 21, 2017 20:18:33 GMT
Logan is overrated, nice tone and all but other than that its not that good. Its the X men version of the Dark Knight Rises. I don't care who makes the movie as long as its good. They just need good writers and directors. Max Landis and Josh Frank were the wrong people to take on FF,their movie Chronicle was trash. No, dude. Logan is awesome. Overrated-adj. A term used by people who hated something that most people liked yet still feel like their opinion is more valid than the vast majority. |
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 21, 2017 20:19:09 GMT
At this point, I'm convinced the only reason Fox is still going for a F4 movie is due to pride and selfishness. Nobody wants Fox to make another F4 movie, not the critics and not the audience, at least as far as we can tell from reactions to the latest movie. Their F4 movies aren't making them that much profit if any, in fact they'd be better off just making a Silver Surfer movie.
So Fox making another F4 movie does not make sense, and feels like they're only doing it to say, "Fuck you Marvel, we're making another F4 movie because fuck you".
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Jun 21, 2017 20:28:55 GMT
You didn't like DP or 'Logan'? Logan? Great movie but, only vaguely resembled the comic book characters it was based on. To be fair though, you could say the same for Zemo, Crossbones, Baltroc, Mandarin, Yellowjacket ECT. At the end of the day these are all adaptations. I read the Iron Man Xtremis story before seeing Iron Man 3 and I can tell you it barely resembles the movie version. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 21, 2017 20:39:33 GMT
screenrant.com/fantastic-four-reboot-kid-friendly-rumor/If this is true, then I'm gonna have to facepalm at the news. While I do want the X-Men to stay separate from the MCU, I don't see why Fox is even bothering with the Fantastic Four at this point. The last movie was a critical and commercial disaster, so what reason is there to still hold on to the brand? It's annoying for only 1 reason to me, and that's that it seemingly lowers the chances that Fox and Marvel may have reached any sort of deal for character sharing. |
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jun 21, 2017 20:53:23 GMT
Logan? Great movie but, only vaguely resembled the comic book characters it was based on. To be fair though, you could say the same for Zemo, Crossbones, Baltroc, Mandarin, Yellowjacket ECT. At the end of the day these are all adaptations. I read the Iron Man Xtremis story before seeing Iron Man 3 and I can tell you it barely resembles the movie version. I could agree with that, Spooky Ghost Ackbar. But, I don't mind cosmetic changes or small thematic changes to minor characters. Logan is a fine movie about a man who resembles Wolverine in many ways but, he is more of a logical extension of the Fox X-Verse Wolverine and less so the comic book version. Iron Man was arguably improved by his on screen counterpart. |
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Jun 21, 2017 21:01:33 GMT
To be fair though, you could say the same for Zemo, Crossbones, Baltroc, Mandarin, Yellowjacket ECT. At the end of the day these are all adaptations. I read the Iron Man Xtremis story before seeing Iron Man 3 and I can tell you it barely resembles the movie version. I could agree with that, Spooky Ghost Ackbar . But, I don't mind cosmetic changes or small thematic changes to minor characters. Logan is a fine movie about a man who resembles Wolverine in many ways but, he is more of a logical extension of the Fox X-Verse Wolverine and less so the comic book version. Iron Man was arguably improved by his on screen counterpart. Idk. I guess I just don't see how the MCU is any closer to its source material. They make a ton of changes to stories and characters. Which I'm not condemning. I think it's not only necessary but essentially unavoidable in any adaptation. Wolverine is admittedly more of a departure from the comics than say Cap, but I've always thought they captured the essence of the character. And like RDJ's Iron Man, I found Jackman's version to an improvement as well. Both bring more humanity and charisma to their respective characters. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 21, 2017 21:02:09 GMT
screenrant.com/fantastic-four-reboot-kid-friendly-rumor/If this is true, then I'm gonna have to facepalm at the news. While I do want the X-Men to stay separate from the MCU, I don't see why Fox is even bothering with the Fantastic Four at this point. The last movie was a critical and commercial disaster, so what reason is there to still hold on to the brand? It's annoying for only 1 reason to me, and that's that it seemingly lowers the chances that Fox and Marvel may have reached any sort of deal for character sharing. Once elected Supreme Chancellor of this board I will look into addressing this concern. |
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jun 21, 2017 21:14:48 GMT
I could agree with that, Spooky Ghost Ackbar . But, I don't mind cosmetic changes or small thematic changes to minor characters. Logan is a fine movie about a man who resembles Wolverine in many ways but, he is more of a logical extension of the Fox X-Verse Wolverine and less so the comic book version. Iron Man was arguably improved by his on screen counterpart. Idk. I guess I just don't see how the MCU is any closer to its source material. They make a ton of changes to stories and characters. Which I'm not condemning. I think it's not only necessary but essentially unavoidable in any adaptation. Wolverine is admittedly more of a departure from the comics than say Cap, but I've always thought they captured the essence of the character. And like RDJ's Iron Man, I found Jackman's version to an improvement as well. Both bring more humanity and charisma to their respective characters. To me, Fox has never fully captured the "failed Samari" aspect of Logan's personality. He's selfless and always focused on his duty to others. The self-pitying recluse thing didn't really go over well for me even though it worked well for the story. His military training and espionage expertise never seem to make it to the forefront in these movies either. And he's never had a fight in the movies that was anything more than an extended brawl as opposed to the deep martial arts expertise he should have. Fox focuses on the tragic aspects of the character and not his often playfully sadistic side. |
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Jun 21, 2017 21:23:43 GMT
Idk. I guess I just don't see how the MCU is any closer to its source material. They make a ton of changes to stories and characters. Which I'm not condemning. I think it's not only necessary but essentially unavoidable in any adaptation. Wolverine is admittedly more of a departure from the comics than say Cap, but I've always thought they captured the essence of the character. And like RDJ's Iron Man, I found Jackman's version to an improvement as well. Both bring more humanity and charisma to their respective characters. To me, Fox has never fully captured the "failed Samari" aspect of Logan's personality. He's selfless and always focused on his duty to others. The self-pitying recluse thing didn't really go over well for me even though it worked well for the story. His military training and espionage expertise never seem to make it to the forefront in these movies either. And he's never had a fight in the movies that was anything more than an extended brawl as opposed to the deep martial arts expertise he should have. Fox focuses on the tragic aspects of the character and not his often sadistic fun side. Fair enough. I'm just very used to movie adaptations altering characters. Even LoTR altered many of the characters, some being vastly different from the books. Aragon is a totally different character in the movies. I guess as long as I understand why they made the change I can accept it. I can't think of a single adaptation from book/comic to movie that's an unaltered direct translation. |
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jun 21, 2017 21:43:50 GMT
To me, Fox has never fully captured the "failed Samari" aspect of Logan's personality. He's selfless and always focused on his duty to others. The self-pitying recluse thing didn't really go over well for me even though it worked well for the story. His military training and espionage expertise never seem to make it to the forefront in these movies either. And he's never had a fight in the movies that was anything more than an extended brawl as opposed to the deep martial arts expertise he should have. Fox focuses on the tragic aspects of the character and not his often sadistic fun side. Fair enough. I'm just very used to movie adaptations altering characters. Even LoTR altered many of the characters, some being vastly different from the books. Aragon is a totally different character in the movies. I guess as long as I understand why they made the change I can accept it. I can't think of a single adaptation from book/comic to movie that's an unaltered direct translation. I agree with everything you said but, Wolvernie has been skewed in a certain way that suits Fox's movies. It's not a total disservice to the character but, I feel that it has painted them into a corner over the years. I would love to see the Wolverine of Agent of SHIELD, Enemy of the State or Astonishing X-Men on the big screen. You're right about Extremis as well. Fanboys bicker about the so-called injustice of the Mandarin but, IM3's real crime was not realizing Ellis' thematic take on what it means to be the Iron Man in the modern age. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jun 21, 2017 21:52:09 GMT
Well 4th time the charm I guess...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 22:28:06 GMT
At this point, I'm convinced the only reason Fox is still going for a F4 movie is due to pride and selfishness. Nobody wants Fox to make another F4 movie, not the critics and not the audience, at least as far as we can tell from reactions to the latest movie. Their F4 movies aren't making them that much profit if any, in fact they'd be better off just making a Silver Surfer movie. So Fox making another F4 movie does not make sense, and feels like they're only doing it to say, "Fuck you Marvel, we're making another F4 movie because fuck you". Pretty much. And we know it'll suck. They won't have learned their lesson from last time. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 21, 2017 22:32:27 GMT
At this point, I'm convinced the only reason Fox is still going for a F4 movie is due to pride and selfishness. Nobody wants Fox to make another F4 movie, not the critics and not the audience, at least as far as we can tell from reactions to the latest movie. Their F4 movies aren't making them that much profit if any, in fact they'd be better off just making a Silver Surfer movie. So Fox making another F4 movie does not make sense, and feels like they're only doing it to say, "Fuck you Marvel, we're making another F4 movie because fuck you". Pretty much. And we know it'll suck. They won't have learned their lesson from last time. You mean the time before that? Or the time before that? Or were you referring to season four of Arrested Development? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 22:36:03 GMT
Pretty much. And we know it'll suck. They won't have learned their lesson from last time. You mean the time before that? Or the time before that? Or were you referring to season four of Arrested Development? Oh, there is arrested development going on. No doubt. They should do it MovieBob's suggested way. |
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Jun 21, 2017 22:42:13 GMT
Fair enough. I'm just very used to movie adaptations altering characters. Even LoTR altered many of the characters, some being vastly different from the books. Aragon is a totally different character in the movies. I guess as long as I understand why they made the change I can accept it. I can't think of a single adaptation from book/comic to movie that's an unaltered direct translation. I agree with everything you said but, Wolvernie has been skewed in a certain way that suits Fox's movies. It's not a total disservice to the character but, I feel that it has painted them into a corner over the years. I would love to see the Wolverine of Agent of SHIELD, Enemy of the State or Astonishing X-Men on the big screen. You're right about Extremis as well. Fanboys bicker about the so-called injustice of the Mandarin but, IM3's real crime was not realizing Ellis' thematic take on what it means to be the Iron Man in the modern age. I do wonder what would've happened to Wolvie if Marvel did own the rights instead. I just don't see them making a movie like Logan or anything that would resemble the Old Man Logan story or any other famous Wolverine comic. In fact, I'm quite sure he never would've even made it to the big screen. He almost certainly would've been given a Netflix series instead like they've already done with their grittier characters, which IMO would've been a horrible disservice. |
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