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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 17:09:11 GMT
I can't wait. And to all you people bitching about Cameron's uses of FX, 3D and other "gimmicks," let me remind you all that Hitchcock was also very interested in pushing 3D technology in his prime. And 3D is still an absolutely useless gimmick used to make watching movies more expensive. I've never watched a single film in 3D because I like hanging onto that extra seven bucks.
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Post by kuatorises on Aug 24, 2017 17:28:46 GMT
LOL...wait, you're serious? I miss the days when James Cameron was a storyteller and not some wannabe Edison. I'd rather watch The Terminator on a VCR than his smell-o-vision, 4d Avatar 12. And do you think True Lies was his last great film? I would. He has gone off the deep end ever since.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 18:06:51 GMT
And do you think True Lies was his last great film? I would. He has gone off the deep end ever since. Pretty much, and people keep rewarding him for it.
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Post by kuatorises on Aug 24, 2017 18:20:15 GMT
I would. He has gone off the deep end ever since. Pretty much, and people keep rewarding him for it. He has a very rabid fan base. They will go and see his movie multiple times in theaters – and by multiple times am talking half a dozen to a dozen. I'm not sure even they can help the next Avatar movie though. For as much money as it made, it doesn't really have much of a place in pop culture and is actually very heavily mocked.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 18:29:06 GMT
Pretty much, and people keep rewarding him for it. He has a very rabid fan base. They will go and see his movie multiple times in theaters – and by multiple times am talking half a dozen to a dozen. I'm not sure even they can help the next Avatar movie though. For as much money as it made, it doesn't really have much of a place in pop culture and is actually very heavily mocked.I think Cameron is actually aware of this part. I'm convinced that's why Avatar 2 has been delayed so many times. He knows the current crop of blockbusters is a threat to him maintaining dominance at the top of the box office and that's why he's been careful not to release it next to an MCU, DC, or any other major film.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 20:02:16 GMT
He has a very rabid fan base. They will go and see his movie multiple times in theaters – and by multiple times am talking half a dozen to a dozen. I'm not sure even they can help the next Avatar movie though. For as much money as it made, it doesn't really have much of a place in pop culture and is actually very heavily mocked.I think Cameron is actually aware of this part. I'm convinced that's why Avatar 2 has been delayed so many times. He knows the current crop of blockbusters is a threat to him maintaining dominance at the top of the box office and that's why he's been careful not to release it next to an MCU, DC, or any other major film.Seriously though? The bolded statement is kinda laughable. I'm just sure Cameron is shaking in his boots at going up against Ant Man 3 or the Suicide Squad sequel lmao. Cameron isn't scared or intimidated by some MCU film or DC film lol (the Avengers couldn't even top Avatar OR Titanic for Christ sakes) . I could MAYBE see him being a little bit worried about one of those massive Star Wars films but thats it . Avatar 2 is going to be massive (esp overseas in China) . Just accept it man
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 20:04:33 GMT
I can't wait. And to all you people bitching about Cameron's uses of FX, 3D and other "gimmicks," let me remind you all that Hitchcock was also very interested in pushing 3D technology in his prime. Agreed. James Cameron just "gets it" imo. He keeps pushing the limits in film and I really admire the guy for that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 21:09:54 GMT
I think Cameron is actually aware of this part. I'm convinced that's why Avatar 2 has been delayed so many times. He knows the current crop of blockbusters is a threat to him maintaining dominance at the top of the box office and that's why he's been careful not to release it next to an MCU, DC, or any other major film.Seriously though? The bolded statement is kinda laughable. I'm just sure Cameron is shaking in his boots at going up against Ant Man 3 or the Suicide Squad sequel lmao. Cameron isn't scared or intimidated by some MCU film or DC film lol (the Avengers couldn't even top Avatar OR Titanic for Christ sakes) . I could MAYBE see him being a little bit worried about one of those massive Star Wars films but thats it . Avatar 2 is going to be massive (esp overseas in China) . Just accept it man I don't have to accept anything. I guarantee right now that if Avatar 2 had been up against any of the high end MCU or DCEU films, they'd have been real competition for it and it wouldn't make nearly as much as the original. Avatar 1 was only big because it had no competition and the general masses are idiots.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 21:10:41 GMT
I can't wait. And to all you people bitching about Cameron's uses of FX, 3D and other "gimmicks," let me remind you all that Hitchcock was also very interested in pushing 3D technology in his prime. Agreed. James Cameron just "gets it" imo. He keeps pushing the limits in film and I really admire the guy for that. If he were pushing the limits of film, his scripts would be better.
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Post by egon1982 on Aug 24, 2017 22:18:27 GMT
Agreed. James Cameron just "gets it" imo. He keeps pushing the limits in film and I really admire the guy for that. If he were pushing the limits of film, his scripts would be better. And another thing i hate about Avatar Weirdraptor, it's that racist/bigoted segregation ending where Jake Sully should had remained human so he would get his lungs fixed with nanites to breathe the atmosphere even in his gut to digest the water/food on Pandora and Neytiri would still accept him for who he is but nooo...he gets magically turned into a Na'Vi, I HATE THAT. If you see my post on animation board on why i support outside race/species romance and explain why it's a protest against these mainstream transformation stories in fiction especially on why i don't like Avataring, Shreking and other transformation stories of "We can't be together if we look the same" stuff. imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/53311/outside-human-species-romance-fiction
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 22:25:43 GMT
Not sure if Jake and the Navi are compatible with him still human, but I guess that's fair enough.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 22:36:54 GMT
Seriously though? The bolded statement is kinda laughable. I'm just sure Cameron is shaking in his boots at going up against Ant Man 3 or the Suicide Squad sequel lmao. Cameron isn't scared or intimidated by some MCU film or DC film lol (the Avengers couldn't even top Avatar OR Titanic for Christ sakes) . I could MAYBE see him being a little bit worried about one of those massive Star Wars films but thats it . Avatar 2 is going to be massive (esp overseas in China) . Just accept it man I don't have to accept anything. I guarantee right now that if Avatar 2 had been up against any of the high end MCU or DCEU films, they'd have been real competition for it and it wouldn't make nearly as much as the original. Avatar 1 was only big because it had no competition and the general masses are idiots. I guess we'll just never know huh? But we can bump this thread in 2021 to see who's right okay? And all you are doing is stating your opinion which isn't an absolute truth to anything. You're letting your hate for this film cloud your judgement. The 1st Avatar is the biggest box office hit so far ( FACT) freaking Star Wars couldn't even beat it. And no MCU film is gonna want to go up against James Cameron man. Its a two way street. And lol at "the general masses are idiots". Come on now, does that apply to fans of the MCU too?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 22:40:39 GMT
I don't have to accept anything. I guarantee right now that if Avatar 2 had been up against any of the high end MCU or DCEU films, they'd have been real competition for it and it wouldn't make nearly as much as the original. Avatar 1 was only big because it had no competition and the general masses are idiots. I guess we'll just never know huh? But we can bump this thread in 2021 to see who's right okay? And all you are doing is stating your opinion which isn't an absolute truth to anything. You're letting your hate for this film cloud your judgement. The 1st Avatar is the biggest box office hit so far ( FACT) freaking Star Wars couldn't even beat it. It was also (last time I checked) a top of the box office for 7 straight weeks! And no MCU film is gonna want to go up against James Cameron man. Its a two way street. Being the highest grossing film proves nothing about its quality. Its a shit film and the general population were idiots to reward such a trite, derivative mess with that much money. My judgment about the film is sound. Nah, Cameron will never have the guts to up against anything that's real competition to his precious baby, as proven by all the delays.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 22:43:58 GMT
I guess we'll just never know huh? But we can bump this thread in 2021 to see who's right okay? And all you are doing is stating your opinion which isn't an absolute truth to anything. You're letting your hate for this film cloud your judgement. The 1st Avatar is the biggest box office hit so far ( FACT) freaking Star Wars couldn't even beat it. It was also (last time I checked) a top of the box office for 7 straight weeks! And no MCU film is gonna want to go up against James Cameron man. Its a two way street. Being the highest grossing film proves nothing about its quality. Its a shit film and the general population were idiots to reward such a trite, derivative mess with that much money. My judgment about the film is sound. Nah, Cameron will never have the guts to up against anything that's real competition to his precious baby, as proven by all the delays. according to YOU of course. Its RT rating is at 83% after over 300 reviews. Nominated for 9 Oscars (including Best Picture) . How many Oscars have any MCU film won? What about Best Picture noms? lol
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 22:47:36 GMT
Being the highest grossing film proves nothing about its quality. Its a shit film and the general population were idiots to reward such a trite, derivative mess with that much money. My judgment about the film is sound. Nah, Cameron will never have the guts to up against anything that's real competition to his precious baby, as proven by all the delays. according to YOU of course. Its RT rating is at 83% after over 300 reviews. Nominated for 9 Oscars (including Best Picture) . How many Oscars have any MCU film won? What about Best Picture noms? lol The Academy Awards are worthless. So are RT ratings. Always have been. The academy has rarely awarded the film, director, or actor that ACTUALLY deserved the little golden man that year. So again, you aren't presenting any real arguments in the film's favor. Again, the only thing Avatar has to offer is eye candy, and... that's it. It hasn't pushed film or storytelling forward in any way.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Aug 25, 2017 0:13:05 GMT
LOL...wait, you're serious? I miss the days when James Cameron was a storyteller and not some wannabe Edison. I'd rather watch The Terminator on a VCR than his smell-o-vision, 4d Avatar 12. And do you think True Lies was his last great film? No. I think that's Titanic.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2017 1:28:20 GMT
according to YOU of course. Its RT rating is at 83% after over 300 reviews. Nominated for 9 Oscars (including Best Picture) . How many Oscars have any MCU film won? What about Best Picture noms? lol The Academy Awards are worthless. So are RT ratings. Always have been. The academy has rarely awarded the film, director, or actor that ACTUALLY deserved the little golden man that year. So again, you aren't presenting any real arguments in the film's favor. Again, the only thing Avatar has to offer is eye candy, and... that's it. It hasn't pushed film or storytelling forward in any way.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2017 1:31:45 GMT
according to YOU of course. Its RT rating is at 83% after over 300 reviews. Nominated for 9 Oscars (including Best Picture) . How many Oscars have any MCU film won? What about Best Picture noms? lol The Academy Awards are worthless. So are RT ratings. Always have been. The academy has rarely awarded the film, director, or actor that ACTUALLY deserved the little golden man that year. So again, you aren't presenting any real arguments in the film's favor. Again, the only thing Avatar has to offer is eye candy, and... that's it. It hasn't pushed film or storytelling forward in any way. lmao AGAIN (its like a fucking broken record with you) this is all according to YOU dude! You keep saying your opinion like its an absolute truth. And the Academy definitely has been known to screw it up once and awhile (like Crash over Brokeback Mountain) but overall they do a pretty good job of listing/nominating the best of the year. Sorry dude that the MCU hasn't claimed any Oscars yet. Maybe one day haha. Also you really think the RT is a "worthless" rating system? Cause they have been pretty favorable to the MCU over the years .
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Post by egon1982 on Aug 25, 2017 2:40:55 GMT
Not sure if Jake and the Navi are compatible with him still human, but I guess that's fair enough. What do you mean compatiable?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2017 3:29:33 GMT
The Academy Awards are worthless. So are RT ratings. Always have been. The academy has rarely awarded the film, director, or actor that ACTUALLY deserved the little golden man that year. So again, you aren't presenting any real arguments in the film's favor. Again, the only thing Avatar has to offer is eye candy, and... that's it. It hasn't pushed film or storytelling forward in any way. lmao AGAIN (its like a fucking broken record with you) this is all according to YOU dude! You keep saying your opinion like its an absolute truth. And the Academy definitely has been known to screw it up once and awhile (like Crash over Brokeback Mountain) but overall they do a pretty good job of listing/nominating the best of the year. Sorry dude that the MCU hasn't claimed any Oscars yet. Maybe one day haha. Also you really think the RT is a "worthless" rating system? Cause they have been pretty favorable to the MCU over the years . Actually, no, its not just according to me. Pretty everyone agrees that the Academy Awards haven't represented cinema well in decades. Its more like they screw it up almost every year. They most certainly DO NOT do a good job of listing/nominating the best film of the year. Ever heard of "Oscar bait"? You're incredibly naive if you haven't. Let's go through some notable award snubs, shall we? Best Picture: 1941: "How Green Was My Valley" winning over "Citizen Kane". A film no one cares about winning over one of the most influential films of all time. I rest my case. 1958: "Rear Window" was completely overlooked for "Best Picture" and James Stewart was passed up for "Best Actor". 1963: "Cleopatra" losing to "Tom Jones" 1965: "My Fair Lady" won over freaking "Dr. Strangelove". 1968: "2001: A Space Odyssey" wasn't even nominated. 1973: "The Sting", a film nobody cares about anymore, winning over "The Exorcist." 1976: "Rocky" winning over "Taxi Driver". 1977: "Annie Hall" winning over... well, anything, really. 1980: "Ordinary People" winning over "The Elephant Man". 1982: "Ghandi" winning over "E.T.". Even Richard Attenborough said E.T. should have won! 1989: "Do the Right Thing" wasn't even Nominated for Best Picture. 1990: The unbearably boring "Dances with Wolves" won over "Goodfellas". 1991: After "Beauty and the Beast" got nominated for Best Picture", the Academy created the "Best Animated Picture" category to make sure it never happened again. 1994: "Forrest Gump" is a good film, but "Pulp Fiction" and "Shawshank" were better. 1996: "The English Patient" winning over "Fargo". 1997: "Titanic" winning over... anything. 1998: "Shakespeare in Love" winning over "Saving Private Ryan." Yeah, a silly romance movie won over a film that so perfectly captured what it was like to fight in World War II that it drove the Vets of that war to tears. 1999: "American Beauty" winning over "The Sixth Sense" and "The Green Mile" 2000: "Gladiator" winning over "Traffic" 2001: "A Beautiful Mind" winning over "Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring" 2002: "Chicago" winning over "Gangs of New York" 2005: "Crash" winning over "Munich" And many, many more. "Sorry dude that the MCU hasn't claimed any Oscars yet. Maybe one day haha." You say that is if I'm supposed to care. You say that as if it proves anything. It doesn't. Honestly, I would be insulted if the MCU did rake in any Oscars. The series is too good for the likes of those out-of-touch snobs. The real reason they haven't won is because of their genre. The Academy has always been biased against superhero films, and don't even bother bringing up Heath Ledger. He only won that Oscar because he died and they'd been wanting to give him after "Brokeback Mountain", anyway. The Academy's also biased against Sci-Fi films, Fantasy films, and Horror films. Only one fantasy film has ever won Best Picture (LotR: Return of the King) and the most recent Horror film to win that was "Silence of the Lambs" in 1991. Oh, yeah, you wanna know what, or rather, who else never won an Oscar? Alfred Hitchcock. So the MCU's int he same boat as ol' Al. Not a bad place to be if you ask me. Try not to be so smug next time. Also, if the Academy is SO enlightened, how come they've all but completely exiled animated films from the Oscars? One animated film will be allowed the table scrap of "Best Animated Film", but that's it. If the Academy really represented the art of cinema, any and all films, regardless of how they were made would be allowed to compete for "Best Picture", period. Yes, I really do think the RT rating system is worthless. I don't care that it favors the MCU. Also, where do you get off laughing at me when you're under the delusion that Avatar is the greatest film ever made? James Cameron put some pretty pictures in front of you and now he's suddenly the greatest filmmaker of all time? Hitchcock alone would eat him up and spit him out if he were alive today.
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