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Post by The Lost One on Jul 4, 2017 13:31:43 GMT
What a silly article. It's a value judgement whether a foetus is a person, whether a woman is obligated to carry a foetus or whether gender should reflect biological sex. You can't solve value judgement disputes just by looking at the evidence.
You can however see quite clearly that climate change exists by looking at the evidence.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jul 4, 2017 14:09:11 GMT
What a silly article. It's a value judgement whether a foetus is a person, whether a woman is obligated to carry a foetus or whether gender should reflect biological sex. You can't solve value judgement disputes just by looking at the evidence. You can however see quite clearly that climate change exists by looking at the evidence. Clearly? Uh-oh. That's not a good sign. Okay, Blade has been banned from posting, and he can't respond, so I'll take a crack at it if there are no objections. I gave the article a once-over and it didn't seem to be denying that climate change was taking place. The gist of it seems to be about why emphasis is placed on climate change rather than respect for unborn human life. I've been called a "climate change denier" a few times despite the fact that I never denied it. It's just a label used to demonize people apparently. |
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Post by The Lost One on Jul 4, 2017 15:13:55 GMT
What a silly article. It's a value judgement whether a foetus is a person, whether a woman is obligated to carry a foetus or whether gender should reflect biological sex. You can't solve value judgement disputes just by looking at the evidence. You can however see quite clearly that climate change exists by looking at the evidence. Clearly? Uh-oh. That's not a good sign. Okay, Blade has been banned from posting, and he can't respond, so I'll take a crack at it if there are no objections. I gave the article a once-over and it didn't seem to be denying that climate change was taking place. The gist of it seems to be about why emphasis is placed on climate change rather than respect for unborn human life. I've been called a "climate change denier" a few times despite the fact that I never denied it. It's just a label used to demonize people apparently. My problem is it's like comparing apples and oranges:
With climate change the debate is over interpretation of evidence. One side says the evidence supports human activity hastening climate change, the other side says it doesn't.
With the abortion issue, there's no dispute over evidence. Everyone agrees about how foetuses gradually develop. The disagreements are when can we call someone a person, what rights a person has and whether there is a hierarchy of rights (ie even if it is conceded a foetus is a person, does a woman's right to bodily autonomy trump the foetus' right to life?). You can't solve any of these disagreements via a scientific experiment. You can't find human rights by looking for them with a microscope.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jul 4, 2017 15:26:14 GMT
Clearly? Uh-oh. That's not a good sign. Okay, Blade has been banned from posting, and he can't respond, so I'll take a crack at it if there are no objections. I gave the article a once-over and it didn't seem to be denying that climate change was taking place. The gist of it seems to be about why emphasis is placed on climate change rather than respect for unborn human life. I've been called a "climate change denier" a few times despite the fact that I never denied it. It's just a label used to demonize people apparently. My problem is it's like comparing apples and oranges:
With climate change the debate is over interpretation of evidence. One side says the evidence supports human activity hastening climate change, the other side says it doesn't.
With the abortion issue, there's no dispute over evidence. Everyone agrees about how foetuses gradually develop. The disagreements are when can we call someone a person, what rights a person has and whether there is a hierarchy of rights (ie even if it is conceded a foetus is a person, does a woman's right to bodily autonomy trump the foetus' right to life?). You can't solve any of these disagreements via a scientific experiment. You can't find human rights by looking for them with a microscope.
Okay. I'm not going to change my mind, and you're not going to change yours. Agree to disagree? By the way, I saw the name of Kiera on a list of names on the Internet recently, and the word "lost" figured prominently in what I was looking at. Wondered if she might be you. Although I was curious, it's difficult to talk about it without giving the appearance of a Superdude-type stalker. On the old board PD explained the meaning behind his user name, and the meaning of mine is no secret. You can send me a PM if you want to know more. I'm not saying anything else about it for everyone to see unless you say it's all right. |
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Post by The Lost One on Jul 4, 2017 16:14:22 GMT
By the way, I saw the name of Kiera on a list of names on the Internet recently, and the word "lost" figured prominently in what I was looking at. Wondered if she might be you. Although I was curious, it's difficult to talk about it without giving the appearance of a Superdude-type stalker. On the old board PD explained the meaning behind his user name, and the meaning of mine is no secret. You can send me a PM if you want to know more. I'm not saying anything else about it for everyone to see unless you say it's all right. Not really much of a story behind my username. Kiera is my name (well, kinda) and I put "lost" in front of it as I'm generally a bit bewildered as to what to be about. I've used that username or similar on a couple of forums. But sure feel free to PM me what you were looking at and I can let you know if it was me. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jul 4, 2017 16:25:10 GMT
By the way, I saw the name of Kiera on a list of names on the Internet recently, and the word "lost" figured prominently in what I was looking at. Wondered if she might be you. Although I was curious, it's difficult to talk about it without giving the appearance of a Superdude-type stalker. On the old board PD explained the meaning behind his user name, and the meaning of mine is no secret. You can send me a PM if you want to know more. I'm not saying anything else about it for everyone to see unless you say it's all right. Not really much of a story behind my username. Kiera is my name (well, kinda) and I put "lost" in front of it as I'm generally a bit bewildered as to what to be about. I've used that username or similar on a couple of forums. But sure feel free to PM me what you were looking at and I can let you know if it was me. Thanks. Must be a coincidence. PM on the way. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jul 6, 2017 10:07:32 GMT
Abortion is only a societal dilemma, because it is made out to be one due to conditioning and personal delusional beliefs about what life means and represents. Pregnancy is a consequence of heterosexual sex and precautions can be taken to avoid this. I agree about the pro-choice aspect, and the females life is what came first and is more important. Ultimately, it is her decision and her life is what is precious, over an undeveloped embryo she is carrying around inside her, that is not a fully formed human being. Whether pro or anti abortion, this should not even be an issue. It is no-ones friggin business, except the mother and the person who fathered the child.
You have made some straight to the point and astute observations about climate change and the over-population of the earth. There are way too many people and bringing a child into this world, is the "real" dilemma of society. It gets taken for granted and quick fixes are not going to help in the long run. It might be too late too soon, to fix up any irreparable damage done.
It is truly painful seeing liberals trying to defend abortion through science. The fetus is human. That is the beginning and the end of it. It is not a dog or a monkey, it is human. The "not fully developed" business is complete nonsense. A 1 day newborn is not fully developed either. In many ways neither is a 17 year old boy. It is not development, maturity, competence or intellect levels that should decide whether a life deserves protection or not. It is nothing short of monstrous to suggest otherwise, and it's the sort of thing that leads to the genocide of some people in "progressive" countries, such as the killing of all Down Syndrome unborn babies in Iceland. I think somebody has some control issues to contend with, and yes, you are painful. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jul 6, 2017 11:35:18 GMT
What a silly article. It's a value judgement whether a foetus is a person, whether a woman is obligated to carry a foetus or whether gender should reflect biological sex. You can't solve value judgement disputes just by looking at the evidence. You can however see quite clearly that climate change exists by looking at the evidence. Clearly? Uh-oh. That's not a good sign. Okay, Blade has been banned from posting, and he can't respond, so I'll take a crack at it if there are no objections. I gave the article a once-over and it didn't seem to be denying that climate change was taking place. The gist of it seems to be about why emphasis is placed on climate change rather than respect for unborn human life. I've been called a "climate change denier" a few times despite the fact that I never denied it. It's just a label used to demonize people apparently. Why do you want to project fake and phony respect and care for something that has nothing to do with you? What other abstract people do and the consequence of their sexual activity regarding pregnancy and the decision to abort, should bear no relevance whatsoever on your own being and journey. It is none of your f<>king business. Comprende! |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jul 6, 2017 11:55:53 GMT
Clearly? Uh-oh. That's not a good sign. Okay, Blade has been banned from posting, and he can't respond, so I'll take a crack at it if there are no objections. I gave the article a once-over and it didn't seem to be denying that climate change was taking place. The gist of it seems to be about why emphasis is placed on climate change rather than respect for unborn human life. I've been called a "climate change denier" a few times despite the fact that I never denied it. It's just a label used to demonize people apparently. Why do you want to project fake and phony respect and care for something that has nothing to do with you? What other abstract people do and the consequence of their sexual activity regarding pregnancy and the decision to abort, should bear no relevance whatsoever on your own being and journey. It is none of your f<>king business. Comprende! If your name isn't LostKiera, it means I wasn't talking to you. Comprende? |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jul 6, 2017 12:01:11 GMT
Why do you want to project fake and phony respect and care for something that has nothing to do with you? What other abstract people do and the consequence of their sexual activity regarding pregnancy and the decision to abort, should bear no relevance whatsoever on your own being and journey. It is none of your f<>king business. Comprende! If your name isn't LostKiera, it means I wasn't talking to you. Comprende? I don't give a rats who you were talking too. You have made a comment on an open chat forum, for anyone to comment on and see. Don't post, if you don't want to get called out on what a misguided and ignorant fool you are. Comprende! |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jul 6, 2017 12:08:14 GMT
If your name isn't LostKiera, it means I wasn't talking to you. Comprende? I don't give a rats who you were talking too. You have made a comment on an open chat forum, for anyone to comment on and see. Don't post, if you don't want to get called out on what a misguided and ignorant fool you are. Comprende! |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jul 6, 2017 12:16:02 GMT
I don't give a rats who you were talking too. You have made a comment on an open chat forum, for anyone to comment on and see. Don't post, if you don't want to get called out on what a misguided and ignorant fool you are. Comprende! And your point is? |
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