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Post by PanLeo on Jun 23, 2017 18:01:04 GMT
Can you give an example of a lie excluding the supposed one in question because that would be begging the question?
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 23, 2017 18:03:52 GMT
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Jun 23, 2017 18:08:36 GMT
I gotta say, when I saw this thread I thought "I bet it's not really going to be interesting." But as it turns out, it kinda is! It kind of was up to when you posted, but then it predictably degenerated into the usual bickering, finger pointing, accusations of hypocrisy, etc. Oh yeah, it's all graham's fault.
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Post by general313 on Jun 23, 2017 18:23:07 GMT
It kind of was up to when you posted, but then it predictably degenerated into the usual bickering, finger pointing, accusations of hypocrisy, etc. Oh yeah, it's all graham's fault. Not what I meant to imply, but LOL!
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Jun 23, 2017 18:25:22 GMT
Oh yeah, it's all graham's fault. Not what I meant to imply, but LOL! Haha, I misread your post!
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Post by PanLeo on Jun 23, 2017 18:36:57 GMT
The supposed lies were -I have never lied -I lied about Cash appealing to authority -I lied that I was fourteen The third one was Poe's law, the first two are yet to be proven.
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 23, 2017 18:46:23 GMT
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Post by phludowin on Jun 23, 2017 20:01:33 GMT
Not a great article. The fallacy he depicts might be considered a fallacy; but the examples are weak. There are clear definitions of criminal, murder and theft. Martin Luther King might technically have been a criminal (as were the founding fathers of the USA), but abortion is not murder and taxation is not theft. Therefore, the analogies the author drives, fails. In your case, however, this fallacy does not apply. You lied, and lied about lying. No need to pretend that you are noncentral.
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Post by PanLeo on Jun 23, 2017 20:03:03 GMT
Dunning-Kruger retards never fails to amuse me.
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Post by PanLeo on Jun 23, 2017 20:07:46 GMT
Not a great article. The fallacy he depicts might be considered a fallacy; but the examples are weak. There are clear definitions of criminal, murder and theft. Martin Luther King might technically have been a criminal (as were the founding fathers of the USA), but abortion is not murder and taxation is not theft. Therefore, the analogies the author drives, fails. In your case, however, this fallacy does not apply. You lied, and lied about lying. No need to pretend that you are noncentral. Murder is defined as the killing of another human and theft is defined as taking something that someone owns. Even if yiuare right the article is still good for the most part. There is no proof I lied about lieing. I just misremembered, I don't remember ever trivial detail of my history on RFS. I lied yes, but I did it to avoid being trolled so yes it is the noncentral fallacy.
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 23, 2017 20:14:17 GMT
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Post by PanLeo on Jun 23, 2017 20:22:35 GMT
You using the Dunning-Kruger effect amuses me even more because of the sheer irony of it.
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 23, 2017 20:25:59 GMT
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Post by phludowin on Jun 23, 2017 20:27:54 GMT
Murder is defined as the killing of another human and theft is defined as taking something that someone owns. Even if yiuare right the article is still good for the most part. BEEP! Wrong. Murder is defined as the unlawful killing of another person without justification. Theft is defined as the illegal taking of somebody's property. Abortion and taxes are not illegal. Therefore they are not murder/theft. In my opinion a better answer to "But Martin Luther King was a criminal!" would be: "So were the Founding Fathers of the USA. Should we tear down their monuments?" There is no proof I lied about lieing. I just misremembered, I don't remember ever trivial detail of my history on RFS. I lied yes, but I did it to avoid being trolled so yes it is the noncentral fallacy. The proof is in this thread. You said: "My motives matters because lieing is out of character for me. The only motive I might have is trolling and I don't troll." And later: "I have only trolled once or twice." And admitted to being 14 years old. And admitted that you had no examples of Cash doing what you claimed he did (reject legitimate criticism of scientific theories). Plenty of lies for someone for whom supposedly lying is out of character.
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Post by PanLeo on Jun 23, 2017 20:38:00 GMT
Murder is defined as the killing of another human and theft is defined as taking something that someone owns. Even if yiuare right the article is still good for the most part. BEEP! Wrong. Murder is defined as the unlawful killing of another person without justification. Theft is defined as the illegal taking of somebody's property. Abortion and taxes are not illegal. Therefore they are not murder/theft. In my opinion a better answer to "But Martin Luther King was a criminal!" would be: "So were the Founding Fathers of the USA. Should we tear down their monuments?" There is no proof I lied about lieing. I just misremembered, I don't remember ever trivial detail of my history on RFS. I lied yes, but I did it to avoid being trolled so yes it is the noncentral fallacy. The proof is in this thread. You said: "My motives matters because lieing is out of character for me. The only motive I might have is trolling and I don't troll." And later: "I have only trolled once or twice." And admitted to being 14 years old. And admitted that you had no examples of Cash doing what you claimed he did (reject legitimate criticism of scientific theories). Plenty of lies for someone for whom supposedly lying is out of character. I am pretty sure those are not the conventional definitions of those words but whatever Yeah that would be a good response, Reductio ad absurdums are useful. That was because I misrembered it, I later corrected myself. Human beings are capable of memory error. Re saying I was 14: Again, Poe's law. Re Cash: Any couldn't I just be misremembering? Why woukd I lie about Cash?
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Post by phludowin on Jun 23, 2017 20:51:29 GMT
That was because I misrembered it, I later corrected myself. Human beings are capable of memory error. Re saying I was 14: Again, Poe's law. Re Cash: Any couldn't I just be misremembering? Why woukd I lie about Cash? Invoking Poe's law does not absolve from lying. When you parody an extreme view, you are lying. And about misremembering: When you frequently invoke stuff that is months old (like threads about quantum physics), you don't make a convincing case for supposed memory issues.
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Post by PanLeo on Jun 23, 2017 20:55:11 GMT
That was because I misrembered it, I later corrected myself. Human beings are capable of memory error. Re saying I was 14: Again, Poe's law. Re Cash: Any couldn't I just be misremembering? Why woukd I lie about Cash? Invoking Poe's law does not absolve from lying. When you parody an extreme view, you are lying. And about misremembering: When you frequently invoke stuff that is months old (like threads about quantum physics), you don't make a convincing case for supposed memory issues. Lieing is deliberately concealing the truth. I didn't do that. Regardless that is the noncentral fallacy. I was obviously joking. I discussed it twice with him I think, he also talked about it in another thread so I was exposed to it multiple times which may be why. It was also more recent.
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Jun 23, 2017 21:27:02 GMT
You using the Dunning-Kruger effect amuses me even more because of the sheer irony of it. It's definitely ironic now.
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Post by blade on Jun 23, 2017 21:32:59 GMT
You using the Dunning-Kruger effect amuses me even more because of the sheer irony of it. It's definitely ironic now. The coward, hypocrite and liar shows back up pretending to now have me on ignore..after he was just embarrassed off the board yesterday.
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Post by PanLeo on Jun 23, 2017 21:39:09 GMT
You using the Dunning-Kruger effect amuses me even more because of the sheer irony of it. It's definitely ironic now. Coming back for more?
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