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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 23, 2017 14:39:21 GMT
Thor:TDW isn't exactly best of the MCU films All of MCU's films are awful. Thor: The Dark World especially, after Patty Jenkins left. from what I have read, including from Jenkins herself, her idea of making a "Romeo & Juliet" superhero story sounds pretty shite Jenkins adapted elements from Greek mythology and made a great Wonder Woman movie that's better than all of MCU's movies. Jenkins would've adapted elements from Shakespearean literature and made a great Thor moive, but MCU dictator Kevin Feige refused to give her the creative freedom to make a better Thor movie. Jenkins has never made a bad movie. MCU can't say the same thing. MCU has made plenty of awful movies.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 23, 2017 14:40:40 GMT
It's all for the best: we actually got an Edgar Wright movie in Baby Driver. And so far the reviews have been stellar it's good for edgar wright, but it was terrible for antman...... (i disliked it quite a bit)Agreed. Ant-Man was terrible. Another bad decision by MCU dictator Kevin Feige.
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Post by sostie on Jun 23, 2017 14:59:54 GMT
Thor:TDW isn't exactly best of the MCU films All of MCU's films are awful. Thor: The Dark World especially, after Patty Jenkins left. from what I have read, including from Jenkins herself, her idea of making a "Romeo & Juliet" superhero story sounds pretty shite Jenkins adapted elements from Greek mythology and made a great Wonder Woman movie that's better than all of MCU's movies. Jenkins would've adapted elements from Shakespearean literature and made a great Thor moive, but MCU dictator Kevin Feige refused to give her the creative freedom to make a better Thor movie. Jenkins has never made a bad movie. MCU can't say the same thing. MCU has made plenty of awful movies. Well doesn't the whole Greek myth thing originate from the comics? And I think you'll find that she neither contributed to the story nor the screenplay so she wasn't really responsible for that element of the story. So you think she would have made a great Marvel film based on Romeo & Juliet based on what? Your little strange obsession with Jenkins is growing into real restraining order potential. Anything else you want credit Jenkins with? The costume design maybe? Did she do some of the stunts? How about the catering? Bet if she did that'd be the tastiest food ever. Or at least better than any catering on a Marvel film.
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Post by brownstones on Jun 23, 2017 15:04:00 GMT
it's good for edgar wright, but it was terrible for antman...... (i disliked it quite a bit)Agreed. Ant-Man was terrible. Another bad decision by MCU dictator Kevin Feige. Look, you can crap on the guy if you want, but in my opinion he's only had 3 full on misfires.....3 out of 15 releases, it's nothing to mock.
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Post by moviemeisters on Jun 23, 2017 15:25:47 GMT
It's all for the best: we actually got an Edgar Wright movie in Baby Driver. And so far the reviews have been stellar it's good for edgar wright, but it was terrible for antman...... (i disliked it quite a bit)Agreed. The best situation would have been for us to get "Edgar Wright's Ant-Man" as well as "Edgar Wright's Baby Driver." With respect to those who liked the film, Ant-Man felt more formulaic than ANY of the previous MCU films. Not the worst, necessarily, but certainly the most formulaic. I don't give a hoot about how well a film ties into its multi-hero universe. Just give us a great movie!
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jun 23, 2017 16:00:42 GMT
Come man, give us the least diplomatic answer. It's been two years. TEXT: “The most diplomatic answer is I wanted to make a Marvel movie but I don’t think they really wanted to make an Edgar Wright movie. I was the writer-director on it and then they wanted to do a draft without me, and having written all my other movies, that’s a tough thing to move forward. Suddenly becoming a director for hire on it, you’re sort of less emotionally invested and you start to wonder why you’re there, really.” screenrant.com/edgar-wright-exit-marvel-ant-man/I have to the only person in the free world who thinks Wright is overrated but, I do. It was a blow to see him leave Ant Man so contentiously and abruptly but, I got over it quickly. Joe Cornish would be a better fit for Marvel and he's arguably more restrained and talented. Wright suffers a bit from "Kitchen Sink" syndrome.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 23, 2017 16:30:41 GMT
You have to be able to work with Marvel. Marvel has proven they do have a direction, and they do have a creative vision. They aren't just execs forcing directors to sell toys at the expense of bad movies, so the whole "just leave the director alone" argument doesn't work here. Just look at what Taika, Gunn, and Coogler are doing. Wright is the only one didn't realize there are plenty of opportunities to make the film in your own style. I'd rather have directors have their vision from start to finish. All MCU movies look more or less the same( which is not necesarily a bad thing). So far Wright had only home-runs, and they're 100% his movies and vision I’d rather have a larger vision that includes directors who want to contribute to that with their own take that still meshes with the overall whole, just like we’ve gotten from the MCU. I do not want a director who thinks his take is more important than the collective vision.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 16:38:12 GMT
Yes, Edgar, because you were going to be allowed to just do whatever you wanted with someone else's movie that's intended to be a part of a larger universe. WB allowed Patty Jenkins to have the creative freedom to make the Wonder Woman movie that she wanted to make and it turned out to be a great movie that's better than all of MCU's movies. Wrong again. Wonder Woman was only good because it copied Marvel.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 16:39:33 GMT
You have to be able to work with Marvel. Marvel has proven they do have a direction, and they do have a creative vision. They aren't just execs forcing directors to sell toys at the expense of bad movies, so the whole "just leave the director alone" argument doesn't work here. Just look at what Taika, Gunn, and Coogler are doing. Wright is the only one didn't realize there are plenty of opportunities to make the film in your own style. I'd rather have directors have their vision from start to finish. All MCU movies look more or less the same( which is not necesarily a bad thing). So far Wright had only home-runs, and they're 100% his movies and vision Then stop watching the MCU and stop bothering us. This is a cinematic universe with a set direction and overarcing story. No filmmaker is ever going to have their way 100% with these films, because of that. If you can't deal with it, get lost.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 16:40:59 GMT
it's good for edgar wright, but it was terrible for antman...... (i disliked it quite a bit)Agreed. The best situation would have been for us to get "Edgar Wright's Ant-Man" as well as "Edgar Wright's Baby Driver." With respect to those who liked the film, Ant-Man felt more formulaic than ANY of the previous MCU films. Not the worst, necessarily, but certainly the most formulaic. I don't give a hoot about how well a film ties into its multi-hero universe. Just give us a great movie! Ir opinion, it felt more formulaic than any prior MCU film. You only speak for yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 16:42:19 GMT
I'd rather have directors have their vision from start to finish. All MCU movies look more or less the same( which is not necesarily a bad thing). So far Wright had only home-runs, and they're 100% his movies and vision I’d rather have a larger vision that includes directors who want to contribute to that with their own take that still meshes with the overall whole, just like we’ve gotten from the MCU. I do not want a director who thinks his take is more important than the collective vision.
Its like people forget how the Tim Burton Batman films barely had Bruce Wayne or Cape Crusading alter ego in them. That was Burton's vision, and it was just as damaging to Batman in the long run as Joel Schmuachar's films.
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Post by miike80 on Jun 23, 2017 16:44:45 GMT
I'd rather have directors have their vision from start to finish. All MCU movies look more or less the same( which is not necesarily a bad thing). So far Wright had only home-runs, and they're 100% his movies and vision Then stop watching the MCU and stop bothering us. This is a cinematic universe with a set direction and overarcing story. No filmmaker is ever going to have their way 100% with these films, because of that. If you can't deal with it, get lost. i know you two can't take any criticism regarding MCU. I just think MCU doesn't need directors with distinctive style, they just need directors that get the job done. If you had read what i wrote you would see that i said that the same look for every movie is not necessarily a bad thing
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 16:49:22 GMT
Then stop watching the MCU and stop bothering us. This is a cinematic universe with a set direction and overarcing story. No filmmaker is ever going to have their way 100% with these films, because of that. If you can't deal with it, get lost. i know you two can't take any criticism regarding MCU. I just think MCU doesn't need directors with distinctive style, they just need directors that get the job done. If you had read what i wrote you would see that i said that the same look for every movie is not necessarily a bad thing Thank you once again for proving your lack of understanding. You seem to be under the impression that directors are perfect cherubs incapable of making mistakes. Oh, boo-hoo-hoo, so Marvel asks their filmmakers to cooperate with them. Big deal. Guess what? All those great artworks the Renaissance masters made? They were hired to make those and they were tailored to fit their commissioner's tastes. Also, the Guardians of the Galaxy franchise are basically James Gunn films through and through, and the first Thor is very much a Kenneth Branagh film. Grow up.
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Post by moviemeisters on Jun 23, 2017 16:49:58 GMT
Agreed. The best situation would have been for us to get "Edgar Wright's Ant-Man" as well as "Edgar Wright's Baby Driver." With respect to those who liked the film, Ant-Man felt more formulaic than ANY of the previous MCU films. Not the worst, necessarily, but certainly the most formulaic. I don't give a hoot about how well a film ties into its multi-hero universe. Just give us a great movie! Ir opinion, it felt more formulaic than any prior MCU film. You only speak for yourself.Well, who else would I speak for? You liked it and that's great. Personally, while not a difficult film to get through, I found it one of the more boring films in the MCU because of its use of the formula.
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Post by miike80 on Jun 23, 2017 16:53:13 GMT
i know you two can't take any criticism regarding MCU. I just think MCU doesn't need directors with distinctive style, they just need directors that get the job done. If you had read what i wrote you would see that i said that the same look for every movie is not necessarily a bad thing Thank you once again for proving your lack of understanding. You seem to be under the impression that directors are perfect cherubs incapable of making mistakes. Oh, boo-hoo-hoo, so Marvel asks their filmmakers to cooperate with them. Big deal. Guess what? All those great artworks the Renaissance masters made? They were hired to make those and they were tailored to fit their commissioner's tastes. Also, the Guardians of the Galaxy franchise are basically James Gunn films through and through, and the first Thor is very much a Kenneth Branagh film. Grow up. it feels like you're under the impression that MCU and Feige can do no wrong. in your opinion every MCU movie is a 10/10?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 16:53:22 GMT
Ir opinion, it felt more formulaic than any prior MCU film. You only speak for yourself.Well, who else would I speak for? You liked it and that's great. Personally, while not a difficult film to get through, I found it one of the more boring films in the MCU because of its use of the formula. I'm frankly confused as to where you're getting this "formulaic" stuff from. Its the only film in the series to be a heist film and Ant-Man himself is such a weird, off-beat character that his presence, powers, and skill-set alone do much to make the film unique in the lineup. Plus, its the only film in the series to be about an ex-convict or feature a character passing on their superhero identity to someone else.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 16:56:34 GMT
Thank you once again for proving your lack of understanding. You seem to be under the impression that directors are perfect cherubs incapable of making mistakes. Oh, boo-hoo-hoo, so Marvel asks their filmmakers to cooperate with them. Big deal. Guess what? All those great artworks the Renaissance masters made? They were hired to make those and they were tailored to fit their commissioner's tastes. Also, the Guardians of the Galaxy franchise are basically James Gunn films through and through, and the first Thor is very much a Kenneth Branagh film. Grow up. it feels like you're under the impression that MCU and Feige can do no wrong. in your opinion every MCU movie is a 10/10? It feels like you're under the impression that MCU and Feige can do no right. And you also seem to think directors never make mistakes or need to be reigned in. Well, there was going to be a sex scene between 15 year old Mia Sara and 39 year old Tim Curry in Ridley Scott's "Legend" until the studio said no. So case in point. And I supposed in your opinion every Fox-Men and DCEU film is a 10/10.
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Post by miike80 on Jun 23, 2017 17:02:20 GMT
Ok, i love Avengers, Guardians 1, Winter Soldier. i also like Guardians 2, Iron Man 1 and Civil War. So yeah, i'm not the MCU hater you think i am, i just don't love everything about it
I like half of Fox X-Men movies: the first 2, First Class and Dofp,Logan and Deadpool. The less said about the first Wolverine movie, the better.
I'm not a fan of MOS, i like BVS( but only the extended cut) and i think that Suicide Squad is the worst comic book movie i saw. or at least bottom 5. I kinda prefer watching Batman and Robin than SS
So..yeah, i'm a marvel hater and a DCEU fanboy
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 17:07:32 GMT
Ok, i love Avengers, Guardians 1, Winter Soldier. i also like Guardians 2, Iron Man 1 and Civil War. So yeah, i'm not the MCU hater you think i am, i just don't love everything about it I like half of Fox X-Men movies: the first 2, First Class and Dofp,Logan and Deadpool. The less said about the first Wolverine movie, the better. I'm not a fan of MOS, i like BVS( but only the extended cut) and i think that Suicide Squad is the worst comic book movie i saw. or at least bottom 5. I kinda prefer watching Batman and Robin than SS So..yeah, i'm a marvel hater and a DCEU fanboy Okay, I apologize for jumping the gun there. I'm just tired of everyone always assuming that every director dismissal in the MCU is Kevin Feige's fault or even the whole company's fault. Were some of them his fault? Yes. All of them? No. It takes two to tango.
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Post by miike80 on Jun 23, 2017 17:18:52 GMT
no need to apologize, and no need to argue. i just like a civil discussion about movies. and i don't care if it's Marvel, DC or Fox, to me it only matters that i like the movie. cheers!
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