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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2017 22:38:09 GMT
it echoes what john landis said is the problem with mcu films...all mcu movies are the same. they are the same because mcu and not the directors make the films. ...Said the idiot who can't even use capitalization. You need to get back to class, kiddo. And make sure your mom helps you with your homework tonight.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2017 23:56:00 GMT
While I liked Ant Man, I would've much rather seen Wright's version. It certainly would've had more soul and energy. The one we got was just too generic outside of the action scenes. And most of the best ideas in it were Edgar's. The climax was all Edgar's idea and that was by far the best part of the movie.
It's really amazing that Marvel's intrusiveness hasn't caused more problems. Whedon and Faverau were quite vocal about it too. Some of you may throw tomatoes at me (Arch and Raptor) but Marvel should let some of these stand alones be their own thing. They'd attract better directors, and movies like Ant Man could be outstanding cult classics instead of just entertaining popcorn fare.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 26, 2017 0:27:00 GMT
While I liked Ant Man, I would've much rather seen Wright's version. It certainly would've had more soul and energy. The one we got was just too generic outside of the action scenes. And most of the best ideas in it were Edgar's. The climax was all Edgar's idea and that was by far the best part of the movie. It's really amazing that Marvel's intrusiveness hasn't caused more problems. Whedon and Faverau were quite vocal about it too. Some of you may throw tomatoes at me (Arch and Raptor) but Marvel should let some of these stand alones be their own thing. They'd attract better directors, and movies like Ant Man could be outstanding cult classics instead of just entertaining popcorn fare. Marvel's "intrusiveness" has been dealt with around the time of Age of Ultron. There was a go-between committee that was screwing things up. Now it goes straight from Marvel Studios to Disney. Also, again, it wasn't Marvel that screwed it up with Wright. It was Wright.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 0:27:49 GMT
I do wonder what specifically about Wright's movie Marvel didn't like. It's not like Reed's version ties into any overarching storyline in the MCU. It stands alone so I doubt it has to do with universe building as so many have speculated. It probably had more to do with Marvel wanting an easily marketable movie that was readily accessible to a general audience. Wright's version would've probably been miles better but made way less money. That was probably the bottom line. But who can ever say for sure...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 0:47:18 GMT
I do wonder what specifically about Wright's movie Marvel didn't like. It's not like Reed's version ties into any overarching storyline in the MCU. It stands alone so I doubt it has to do with universe building as so many have speculated. It probably had more to do with Marvel wanting an easily marketable movie that was readily accessible to a general audience. Wright's version would've probably been miles better but made way less money. That was probably the bottom line. But who can ever say for sure... You overrate Wright way too much. From what I understand, Wright didn't want to have his Ant-Man film to be connected to the larger universe in any way, shape, or form, but instead of replacing him right away, Marvel TRIED to negotiate with him for ten straight years while Phase 1 and much of Phase 2 passed them by until they finally just fired his ass, and rightfully so.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 26, 2017 1:25:52 GMT
DC-Fan,
When you have a cinematic universe built upon more than one movie it has to tie in its events and characters together so that it maintains consistency and also doesn't look totally distant from what universe it resides in. This is especially true if the prior films have all done well critically and financially. You can't have filmmakers go willy nilly without guidance or else otherwise their film might as well be an elseworlds story instead of another puzzle piece to the universe's larger narrative - which is its function. It cannot ignore previous events and pretend they didn't happen, or have characters act a way differently from an earlier appearance.
The DCEU is still in its first phase, the most set-up was in BvS, where Suicide Squad dealt with the aftermath of it and further set up the Justice League at the end. Man of Steel was more of a prequel to the cinematic universe's "debut" with BvS if you want to get technical( Remember it wasn't originally designed to be the kick-starter of the DCEU, that happened later in the game). Wonder Woman is set in WWI, long before the majority of the characters we see that currently occupy the DCEU had been born, and with Justice League being the culmination of all the films released thus far WW's only tasks were to introduce the Amazons, Themyscira, and other Greek mythological elements into the universe, and how Diana came to man's world. That said, it is OK to have the director be given more creative control over it, especially considering that it would be the first movie led by the character in cinema history.
In the sequel, which is planned to be set in contemporary times, don't hold your breath that it'll be totally stand alone again and that Jenkins will call every single decision going in it. Jon Favreau had more creative control over the first Iron Man because it was the first time Iron Man had a movie and that it was supposed to be the launching point for the MCU, the sequel he had less because they were not only established but also needed to plant the seeds for other movies.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 1:35:35 GMT
DC-Fan, When you have a cinematic universe built upon more than one movie it has to tie in its events and characters together so that it maintains consistency and also doesn't look totally distant from what universe it resides in. This is especially true if the prior films have all done well critically and financially. You can't have filmmakers go willy nilly without guidance or else otherwise their film might as well be an elseworlds story instead of another puzzle piece to the universe's larger narrative - which is its function. It cannot ignore previous events and pretend they didn't happen, or have characters act a way differently from an earlier appearance. The DCEU is still in its first phase, the most set-up was in BvS, where Suicide Squad dealt with the aftermath of it and further set up the Justice League at the end. Man of Steel was more of a prequel to the cinematic universe's "debut" with BvS if you want to get technical( Remember it wasn't originally designed to be the kick-starter of the DCEU, that happened later in the game). Wonder Woman is set in WWI, long before the majority of the characters we see that currently occupy the DCEU had been born, and with Justice League being the culmination of all the films released thus far WW's only tasks were to introduce the Amazons, Themyscira, and other Greek mythological elements into the universe, and how Diana came to man's world. That said, it is OK to have the director be given more creative control over it, especially considering that it would be the first movie led by the character in cinema history. In the sequel, which is planned to be set in contemporary times, don't hold your breath that it'll be totally stand alone again and that Jenkins will call every single decision going in it. Jon Favreau had more creative control over the first Iron Man because it was the first time Iron Man had a movie and that it was supposed to be the launching point for the MCU, the sequel he had less because they were not only established but also needed to plant the seeds for other movies. Not to mention a combination of Incredible Hulk underperforming and Edgar Wright being an unprofessional prick who dragged his feet on making Ant-Man left Ironman 2 with all the weight of the MCU resting on it at that point.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 26, 2017 1:58:21 GMT
The Lord and Miller situation that went on this past week with the Han Solo spin-off reminded me immediately of Edgar Wright exiting from Ant-Man. On face-value it might sound like a cool combination but when you get to the meat you can see it wasn't really the best of ideas - Wright's style and brand of comedy works too differently from the MCU's more grounded, reactionary humor, and the visuals need to be in tip top shape for the heavy spectacle sequences but less so in the basic dialogue-driven sequences. What did they expect to happen, really? Wright would work better for Deadpool, if anything, not Ant-Man.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 26, 2017 2:52:12 GMT
While I liked Ant Man, I would've much rather seen Wright's version. It certainly would've had more soul and energy. The one we got was just too generic outside of the action scenes. And most of the best ideas in it were Edgar's. The climax was all Edgar's idea and that was by far the best part of the movie. It's really amazing that Marvel's intrusiveness hasn't caused more problems. Whedon and Faverau were quite vocal about it too. Some of you may throw tomatoes at me (Arch and Raptor) but Marvel should let some of these stand alones be their own thing. They'd attract better directors, and movies like Ant Man could be outstanding cult classics instead of just entertaining popcorn fare. Marvel's "intrusiveness" has been dealt with around the time of Age of Ultron. There was a go-between committee that was screwing things up. Now it goes straight from Marvel Studios to Disney. Also, again, it wasn't Marvel that screwed it up with Wright. It was Wright. If Wright was the only Director that left MCU due to creative differences, then you could make a case that Wright screwed it up. But when multiple Directors leave MCU due to creative differences, the commonality is MCU screwing it up.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 26, 2017 2:55:56 GMT
Wright's version would've probably been miles better but made way less money. Yep, that's it. Edgar Wright would've made a much better Ant-Man movie just like Patty Jenkins would've made a much better Thor: Dark World movie. But MCU doesn't care about making quality movies because they know they can make shitty movies and MCU fanboys will still pay to go see it.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jun 26, 2017 2:58:44 GMT
Wright's version would've probably been miles better but made way less money. Yep, that's it. Edgar Wright would've made a much better Ant-Man movie just like Patty Jenkins would've made a much better Thor: Dark World movie. But MCU doesn't care about making quality movies because they know they can make shitty movies and MCU fanboys will still pay to go see it. No, they just know that they're better off with Directors who aren't control freaks and can't play by the rules.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 2:59:49 GMT
Wright's version would've probably been miles better but made way less money. Yep, that's it. Edgar Wright would've made a much better Ant-Man movie just like Patty Jenkins would've made a much better Thor: Dark World movie. But MCU doesn't care about making quality movies because they know they can make shitty movies and MCU fanboys will still pay to go see it. No, Warner Ber doesn't care about making quality movies because they know they can make shitty movies and idiots like you will still pay to see them. That's the only reason BvS didn't flop.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 3:00:32 GMT
Marvel's "intrusiveness" has been dealt with around the time of Age of Ultron. There was a go-between committee that was screwing things up. Now it goes straight from Marvel Studios to Disney. Also, again, it wasn't Marvel that screwed it up with Wright. It was Wright. If Wright was the only Director that left MCU due to creative differences, then you could make a case that Wright screwed it up. But when multiple Directors leave MCU due to creative differences, the commonality is MCU screwing it up. So The Flash film's situation isn't Warner Bros screwing it up?
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 26, 2017 3:07:00 GMT
It cannot ignore previous events and pretend they didn't happen, or have characters act a way differently from an earlier appearance. MCU movies already ignore previous events and pretend they didn't happen and have characters act a way differently from an earlier appearance.
In The Avengers, Agent Coulson is stabbed and killed. Then in Agents of SHIELD, MCU ignored that and pretended it didn't happen and all of a sudden Agent Coulson is alive.
In The First Avenger, Bucky fell hundreds of feet off a train and died. Then in The Winter Soldier, MCU ignored that and pretended it didn't happen and all of a sudden Bucky is alive.
In Iron Man 2, Tony Stark refuses a Congressional order to turn over the Iron Man suit to the government in the interests of national security. In Age of Ultron, Tony Stark recklessly creates Ultron without any authorization from or any discussion with world leaders. Then in Civil War, Tony Stark suddenly goes from being anti-government to pro-government and favors the Sokovia Accords.
In Age of Ultron, Captain America strikes and kills an unarmed Strucker with his shield and then later in the very same movie they pretended that Captain America didn't kill an unarmed Strucker in cold blood and retconned that and said that Strucker was alive and held in prison and Ultron killed him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 3:11:33 GMT
It cannot ignore previous events and pretend they didn't happen, or have characters act a way differently from an earlier appearance. MCU movies already ignore previous events and pretend they didn't happen and have characters act a way differently from an earlier appearance.
In The Avengers, Agent Coulson is stabbed and killed. Then in Agents of SHIELD, MCU ignored that and pretended it didn't happen and all of a sudden Agent Coulson is alive.
In The First Avenger, Bucky fell hundreds of feet off a train and died. Then in The Winter Soldier, MCU ignored that and pretended it didn't happen and all of a sudden Bucky is alive.
In Iron Man 2, Tony Stark refuses a Congressional order to turn over the Iron Man suit to the government in the interests of national security. In Age of Ultron, Tony Stark recklessly creates Ultron without any authorization from or any discussion with world leaders. Then in Civil War, Tony Stark suddenly goes from being anti-government to pro-government and favors the Sokovia Accords.
In Age of Ultron, Captain America strikes and kills an unarmed Strucker with his shield and then later in the very same movie they pretended that Captain America didn't kill an unarmed Strucker in cold blood and retconned that and said that Strucker was alive and held in prison and Ultron killed him.
...You're an idiot. Dear God why couldn't your parents have used protection that right? Are your parents siblings? Because you being the result of inbreeding is the only thing that makes sense at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 3:46:51 GMT
It cannot ignore previous events and pretend they didn't happen, or have characters act a way differently from an earlier appearance. MCU movies already ignore previous events and pretend they didn't happen and have characters act a way differently from an earlier appearance.
In The Avengers, Agent Coulson is stabbed and killed. Then in Agents of SHIELD, MCU ignored that and pretended it didn't happen and all of a sudden Agent Coulson is alive.
In The First Avenger, Bucky fell hundreds of feet off a train and died. Then in The Winter Soldier, MCU ignored that and pretended it didn't happen and all of a sudden Bucky is alive.
In Iron Man 2, Tony Stark refuses a Congressional order to turn over the Iron Man suit to the government in the interests of national security. In Age of Ultron, Tony Stark recklessly creates Ultron without any authorization from or any discussion with world leaders. Then in Civil War, Tony Stark suddenly goes from being anti-government to pro-government and favors the Sokovia Accords.
In Age of Ultron, Captain America strikes and kills an unarmed Strucker with his shield and then later in the very same movie they pretended that Captain America didn't kill an unarmed Strucker in cold blood and retconned that and said that Strucker was alive and held in prison and Ultron killed him.
This is what Im talking about. You only embarrase yourself when you post. I would pity you if you werent such a dumb piece of shit.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jun 26, 2017 4:09:55 GMT
If Wright was the only Director that left MCU due to creative differences, then you could make a case that Wright screwed it up. But when multiple Directors leave MCU due to creative differences, the commonality is MCU screwing it up. So The Flash film's situation isn't Warner Bros screwing it up? Yeah speaking of The Flash, I wonder what the hell is going on with it. I really want it to be good, but I'm a little worry they might fuck it up....
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jun 26, 2017 4:13:18 GMT
It cannot ignore previous events and pretend they didn't happen, or have characters act a way differently from an earlier appearance. MCU movies already ignore previous events and pretend they didn't happen and have characters act a way differently from an earlier appearance.
In The Avengers, Agent Coulson is stabbed and killed. Then in Agents of SHIELD, MCU ignored that and pretended it didn't happen and all of a sudden Agent Coulson is alive.
In The First Avenger, Bucky fell hundreds of feet off a train and died. Then in The Winter Soldier, MCU ignored that and pretended it didn't happen and all of a sudden Bucky is alive.
In Iron Man 2, Tony Stark refuses a Congressional order to turn over the Iron Man suit to the government in the interests of national security. In Age of Ultron, Tony Stark recklessly creates Ultron without any authorization from or any discussion with world leaders. Then in Civil War, Tony Stark suddenly goes from being anti-government to pro-government and favors the Sokovia Accords.
In Age of Ultron, Captain America strikes and kills an unarmed Strucker with his shield and then later in the very same movie they pretended that Captain America didn't kill an unarmed Strucker in cold blood and retconned that and said that Strucker was alive and held in prison and Ultron killed him.
Cap didn't kill strucker. Also how many comic book movies/shows killed and brought back characters? Not to mention Superman returning in Justice League after being killed in BBS.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 26, 2017 4:57:36 GMT
It cannot ignore previous events and pretend they didn't happen, or have characters act a way differently from an earlier appearance. MCU movies already ignore previous events and pretend they didn't happen and have characters act a way differently from an earlier appearance.
In The Avengers, Agent Coulson is stabbed and killed. Then in Agents of SHIELD, MCU ignored that and pretended it didn't happen and all of a sudden Agent Coulson is alive.
In The First Avenger, Bucky fell hundreds of feet off a train and died. Then in The Winter Soldier, MCU ignored that and pretended it didn't happen and all of a sudden Bucky is alive.
In Iron Man 2, Tony Stark refuses a Congressional order to turn over the Iron Man suit to the government in the interests of national security. In Age of Ultron, Tony Stark recklessly creates Ultron without any authorization from or any discussion with world leaders. Then in Civil War, Tony Stark suddenly goes from being anti-government to pro-government and favors the Sokovia Accords.
In Age of Ultron, Captain America strikes and kills an unarmed Strucker with his shield and then later in the very same movie they pretended that Captain America didn't kill an unarmed Strucker in cold blood and retconned that and said that Strucker was alive and held in prison and Ultron killed him.
If you paid attention to the movies and shows, all your questions would be answered. Nick Fury lied about Coulson's death to give The Avengers an extra "push" to become a team and stop Loki. Coulson being alive is only known to SHIELD agents, not The Avengers. It is also worth noting that Coulson did "die" but for a brief time, he was experimented with by SHIELD's science division that brought him back to health. Bucky didn't die in The First Avengers, Cap and everyone else thought he was but Hydra found him and experimented with him, thus turning him into The Winter Soldier. Tony Stark in Iron Man 2 is not the same Tony Stark in Age of Ultron and Civil War. It's called character development, might as well complain about Buzz Lightyear not thinking he's the real deal in the Toy Story sequels... Ultron did indeed kill Strucker.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 5:07:58 GMT
So The Flash film's situation isn't Warner Bros screwing it up? Yeah speaking of The Flash, I wonder what the hell is going on with it. I really want it to be good, but I'm a little worry they might fuck it up.... A little worried? Best to just give up on that one and stick with the CW show.
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