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Post by thenewnexus on Jun 25, 2017 15:56:12 GMT
Spider-Man 2 is a well made and great film. Being good as that is High Standard. It's gonna be hard to top that movie. Never said it had to top it. I'm hoping it's just as good. even being as good is gonna be hard |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 25, 2017 16:22:36 GMT
But that's the thing: if they aren't making good movies then what is the point? All that does is soil the main part of the universe. So Venom is a bad movie? I haven't seen it yet.
Listen, if they're bothering to work together, I'm going to give them credit for attempting to produce a quality product. Homecoming looks solid for instance, so let's give it a run and see what happens. If it's shit, we'll ignore it, and that's why they're going for loose continuity.
Didn't say Venom was a bad movie... yet. They obviously aren't working together (or on the same page). With that interview you can see that Pascal jumped the gun and is just blurting out stuff. Then you had all that crap about taking the character back after a couple movies. Also, Homecoming is mostly a MCU movie under Sony. It's not the MCU letting Sony make a Spider-man movie in their universe. It's Sony letting the MCU use Spider-man (while bringing his popularity back up). |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 25, 2017 16:24:51 GMT
Never said it had to top it. I'm hoping it's just as good. even being as good is gonna be hard Not really. Spider-man 2 was too Raimi. You can tell they gave him more slack on that leash (probably even let it go). It was way too corny. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 25, 2017 16:52:14 GMT
Didn't say Venom was a bad movie... yet. They obviously aren't working together (or on the same page). With that interview you can see that Pascal jumped the gun and is just blurting out stuff. Then you had all that crap about taking the character back after a couple movies. Also, Homecoming is mostly a MCU movie under Sony. It's not the MCU letting Sony make a Spider-man movie in their universe. It's Sony letting the MCU use Spider-man (while bringing his popularity back up). Actually I would argue that isn't obvious, even if she did jump the gun. I'm not saying everything is going to go as planned. In fact I'm saying quite the opposite. The exact reason you think they don't seem like they are on the same page is precisely because they don't know if it's going to go as planned. It's the same reason. They are hedging their bets in case it doesn't work. That doesn't mean they aren't on the same page. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jun 25, 2017 16:57:22 GMT
X2 wasn't that good, it's just that back in 2003 there wasn't much competition. And nowadays it's got nostalgia blinding people. Same with SM2 to an extent, it's hardly the perfect film it's made out to be. As for Logan, critics went easy on it because it was Jackman's swan song and because they had the "guts" to kill him in the end (cowardly, waiting until some film set in the future to do this). As for Dark Knight, it also had little competition and had a special something that protected it from negative critics. And no, it wasn't any acting. Same bullshit as always. TDK and Logan are two of the best comic book movies ever. They have anything, what a real movie fan wants, about a good film. No, they just appeal to people ashamed of comics. That "grounded" nonsense, and enough pretentiousness to make people watching it feel smarter for watching it when it's just an illusion. |
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Post by summers8 on Jun 25, 2017 17:12:45 GMT
even being as good is gonna be hard Not really. Spider-man 2 was too Raimi. You can tell they gave him more slack on that leash (probably even let it go). It was way too corny. if we call spiderman 2 corny, what are we going to call the mcu movies? from the reviews none has said it is better than spiderman 2. the reviews has all the makings of a standard mcu movie. I feel sorry for spiderman, sharing the rights has messed up the series more than ever. sony wants a spiderman film series , disney is not interested in utilising the full potential of a spiderman series. Sure MCU fans would want venom to turn out bad because they are scared. venom is a fantastic villain, if sony gets him right it will be the end of spiderman in the mcu and from what I see, the mcu needs spiderman more than spiderman needs them. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 25, 2017 17:51:07 GMT
Didn't say Venom was a bad movie... yet. They obviously aren't working together (or on the same page). With that interview you can see that Pascal jumped the gun and is just blurting out stuff. Then you had all that crap about taking the character back after a couple movies. Also, Homecoming is mostly a MCU movie under Sony. It's not the MCU letting Sony make a Spider-man movie in their universe. It's Sony letting the MCU use Spider-man (while bringing his popularity back up). Actually I would argue that isn't obvious, even if she did jump the gun. I'm not saying everything is going to go as planned. In fact I'm saying quite the opposite. The exact reason you think they don't seem like they are on the same page is precisely because they don't know if it's going to go as planned. It's the same reason. They are hedging their bets in case it doesn't work. That doesn't mean they aren't on the same page. It's obvious from Kevin Feige's reaction to her saying that. What happened was the opposite of hedging their bets. Venom could not even come out. Anything can happen. What Pascal did was the same thing as Universal did with Dracula Untold and The Mummy. They started talking about shared universes before they got a good movie going. Hell, Sony did the same thing with The Amazing Spider-man and Ghostbusters. They need to first make Venom and Silver & Black good before they can talk about shared universes or making them annex movies to Spider-man: Homecoming. And that's exactly what Pascal is talking about. She wants her Spider-man shared universe to be like the Netflix and Agents of SHIELD bits of shared universe. It's connected, but not intertwined. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 25, 2017 18:00:06 GMT
It's obvious from Kevin Feige's reaction to her saying that. What happened was the opposite of hedging their bets. Venom could not even come out. Anything can happen. What Pascal did was the same thing as Universal did with Dracula Untold and The Mummy. They started talking about shared universes before they got a good movie going. Hell, Sony did the same thing with The Amazing Spider-man and Ghostbusters. They need to first make Venom and Silver & Black good before they can talk about shared universes or making them annex movies to Spider-man: Homecoming. And that's exactly what Pascal is talking about. She wants her Spider-man shared universe to be like the Netflix and Agents of SHIELD bits of shared universe. It's connected, but not intertwined. Actually I think people are reading way too much into his reaction. You have no idea what he was thinking, so no, it's not obvious. You have no idea what's gone on behind the scenes, what's been planned, what they're keeping secret, anything. Just let it play out.
But I do agree that anything can happen, and that's why Feige isn't talking about sharing yet. He wants to see how it plays out.
Not intertwined is fine.
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Post by Lee on Jun 25, 2017 19:01:36 GMT
Same bullshit as always. TDK and Logan are two of the best comic book movies ever. They have anything, what a real movie fan wants, about a good film. No, they just appeal to people ashamed of comics. That "grounded" nonsense, and enough pretentiousness to make people watching it feel smarter for watching it when it's just an illusion. You bring the same text over and over again, like in the old imdb boards. Are you a retard, or did you have a retricted vocabulary? Maybe you should go back to school, and learn new words. And after 10 years, you can come back here and discuss. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jun 25, 2017 20:09:40 GMT
No, they just appeal to people ashamed of comics. That "grounded" nonsense, and enough pretentiousness to make people watching it feel smarter for watching it when it's just an illusion. You bring the same text over and over again, like in the old imdb boards. 2 + 2 will always equal 4. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 25, 2017 20:13:08 GMT
X2 wasn't that good, it's just that back in 2003 there wasn't much competition. And nowadays it's got nostalgia blinding people. Same with SM2 to an extent, it's hardly the perfect film it's made out to be. As for Logan, critics went easy on it because it was Jackman's swan song and because they had the "guts" to kill him in the end (cowardly, waiting until some film set in the future to do this). As for Dark Knight, it also had little competition and had a special something that protected it from negative critics. And no, it wasn't any acting. Same bullshit as always. TDK and Logan are two of the best comic book movies ever. They have anything, what a real movie fan wants, about a good film. MCU fans are always desperate to tear down any CBMs not made by MCU. That's why they started the rumor several months ago that Wonder Woman was "a complete mess". |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2017 20:36:32 GMT
Not really. Spider-man 2 was too Raimi. You can tell they gave him more slack on that leash (probably even let it go). It was way too corny. if we call spiderman 2 corny, what are we going to call the mcu movies? from the reviews none has said it is better than spiderman 2. the reviews has all the makings of a standard mcu movie. I feel sorry for spiderman, sharing the rights has messed up the series more than ever. sony wants a spiderman film series , disney is not interested in utilising the full potential of a spiderman series. Sure MCU fans would want venom to turn out bad because they are scared. venom is a fantastic villain, if sony gets him right it will be the end of spiderman in the mcu and from what I see, the mcu needs spiderman more than spiderman needs them. Well these aren't even full reviews yet, MCU have received praise for the plot and character development but you clearly like to ignore those reviews given you said Winter Soldier and Civil War were still not as good as any X Men movie whereas in reality Civil War is just as good as DOFP and Winter Soldier was up to par with Logan, like it or not. Sony wasn't interested at all in making good Spider man movies they're just being the usual greedy bastards that want to churn out garbage movies. Spider Man belongs in the MCU. MCU is already doing a more comic accurate Spider Man than any Sony Spider Man movie. We know Venom will turn out bad because Sony can't make a good movie to save their life. Sure he's a great villain but Sony's known for ruining great villains like Green Goblin, Sandman and they already messed up Venom in Spider Man 3 and with TASM 2 as an example it's clear they don't learn from their mistakes like FOX. Spider Man needs the MCU more than MCU needs Spider Man. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2017 20:41:37 GMT
Ol'lying Donald McHandegg. Always? I havent read any negative comment about Wonder Woman. In fact all so called MCU fan here has said it was a great film. Thats also true for several DC, Sony and Fox outings. So what you are saying here is total bull shit.
Actually you are the only one who hates everything about the MCU. Never ever posted any positive thing. Not about movies, single scene, good moments, acting performances, music and I can go on. Never ever anything positive. That may be your opinion and thats fine but stop accusing people of stuff they clearly not doing and that actualy you yourself are clearly doing.
So fuck of you dumb piece of shit!!
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 25, 2017 22:53:11 GMT
Not really. Spider-man 2 was too Raimi. You can tell they gave him more slack on that leash (probably even let it go). It was way too corny. if we call spiderman 2 corny, what are we going to call the mcu movies? from the reviews none has said it is better than spiderman 2. the reviews has all the makings of a standard mcu movie. I feel sorry for spiderman, sharing the rights has messed up the series more than ever. sony wants a spiderman film series , disney is not interested in utilising the full potential of a spiderman series. Sure MCU fans would want venom to turn out bad because they are scared. venom is a fantastic villain, if sony gets him right it will be the end of spiderman in the mcu and from what I see, the mcu needs spiderman more than spiderman needs them. Spider-man 2 was corny because of Raimi's Evil Dead 2 style injected into the movie. It was kept under control in the 1st one, but the second one he went nuts. There were too many callbacks to Evil Dead like the chainsaw and using the tentacles for the Deadite POV. Other way around. The MCU has been doing great without Spider-man. Spider-man's last 3 outing have been failures (even though I liked TASM). Sony is using the MCU to bring Spider-man's popularity back. And no one wants Venom to be bad. The problem is the studio making the movie. Not saying that MS should make it, but what I am saying is that Sony has a bad track record as of late. And I'm not talking about box office. A movie with a title that people want to see will make money. The problem is when the movie isn't good to earn that box office. You guys get on this studio war defensive and don't listen to what people are actually saying. Spider-man can get killed in the MCU in Homecoming and it will not effect the MCU one bit. Hell, there are other spider themed characters in Marvel that isn't associated with Spider-man. If they really wanted to they could use some of them. Also, Venom can be a fantastic villain if handled correctly. Remember Spider-man 3? That was a Sony movie right? Remember when Eddie Brock got cancer from the symbiote in the comics? |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 25, 2017 23:03:50 GMT
if we call spiderman 2 corny, what are we going to call the mcu movies? from the reviews none has said it is better than spiderman 2. the reviews has all the makings of a standard mcu movie. I feel sorry for spiderman, sharing the rights has messed up the series more than ever. sony wants a spiderman film series , disney is not interested in utilising the full potential of a spiderman series. Sure MCU fans would want venom to turn out bad because they are scared. venom is a fantastic villain, if sony gets him right it will be the end of spiderman in the mcu and from what I see, the mcu needs spiderman more than spiderman needs them. Spiderman 2 is way cornier if watched without nostalgia goggles. It doesn't hold up like the original X Men trilogy, Raimi's style just seems dated now unlike Singer's. Well these aren't even full reviews yet, MCU have received praise for the plot and character development but you clearly like to ignore those reviews given you said Winter Soldier and Civil War were still not as good as any X Men movie whereas in reality Civil War is just as good as DOFP and Winter Soldier was up to par with Logan, like it or not. Sony wasn't interested at all in making good Spider man movies they're just being the usual greedy bastards that want to churn out garbage movies. Spider Man belongs in the MCU. MCU is already doing a more comic accurate Spider Man than any Sony Spider Man movie. We know Venom will turn out bad because Sony can't make a good movie to save their life. Sure he's a great villain but Sony's known for ruining great villains like Green Goblin, Sandman and they already messed up Venom in Spider Man 3 and with TASM 2 as an example it's clear they don't learn from their mistakes like FOX. Spider Man needs the MCU more than MCU needs Spider Man. Raimi's style is really heavy. You can see it big time in the Evil Dead movies, Darkman, Oz, Spider-man... It even shows up in spurts in The Quick and the Dead. I couldn't sit through OZ it was so distracting. Fox got rid of Rothman (who is now at Sony). That's why you see a significant change in the X-men movies. But you also see that a lot of what was wrong with X-men came from Singer because a lot of that is still in Apocalypse. I think if Pascal stays away from Venom then it might be good. Knowing her, she might have Mary Jane be the protagonist of the movie and she beats Venom. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 0:57:16 GMT
So as long as you are happy with watching a movie revolving around high school histrionics that at best is inferior to the first 2 Raimi Spidey movies then you might be satisfied? And that somehow is enough to make sycophants on this board break into a circle jerk? Y'all really set that bar of expectation high, huh? Also no opinion is more reliable than some unknown blogger desperate to see her name on some other morons twitter account, right? Let the celebration begin. Now I understand why the long time Marvel victory cry is "Make Mine Mediocre" The fact you think the Raimi films are some kind of standard to be held up to is hilarious. Your input is unnecessary and unwanted, so could you kindly go jump off a cliff? |
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Post by poelzig on Jun 26, 2017 2:10:19 GMT
So as long as you are happy with watching a movie revolving around high school histrionics that at best is inferior to the first 2 Raimi Spidey movies then you might be satisfied? And that somehow is enough to make sycophants on this board break into a circle jerk? Y'all really set that bar of expectation high, huh? Also no opinion is more reliable than some unknown blogger desperate to see her name on some other morons twitter account, right? Let the celebration begin. Now I understand why the long time Marvel victory cry is "Make Mine Mediocre" The fact you think the Raimi films are some kind of standard to be held up to is hilarious. Your input is unnecessary and unwanted, so could you kindly go jump off a cliff? The twitter bloggers are the ones saying the Rami movies are the best Spiderman has to offer. You know those same bloggers you and the other kids on this thread believe in so strongly. Why do you believe them emphatically but start whining when I repeat what they said? I just think it's hilarious in a pathetic way that you kids are so desperate to celebrate a high school drama that at best MIGHT be the 3rd best Spidey movie. Why are you so mad? Y'all strive for mediocrity and according to the bloggers this thread is quoting, mediocrity is exactly what you're getting. This is as good as it gets for you tykes. Ask your mom for a juice box and let the fun begin. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 2:55:23 GMT
The fact you think the Raimi films are some kind of standard to be held up to is hilarious. Your input is unnecessary and unwanted, so could you kindly go jump off a cliff? The twitter bloggers are the ones saying the Rami movies are the best Spiderman has to offer. You know those same bloggers you and the other kids on this thread believe in so strongly. Why do you believe them emphatically but start whining when I repeat what they said? I just think it's hilarious in a pathetic way that you kids are so desperate to celebrate a high school drama that at best MIGHT be the 3rd best Spidey movie. Why are you so mad? Y'all strive for mediocrity and according to the bloggers this thread is quoting, mediocrity is exactly what you're getting. This is as good as it gets for you tykes. Ask your mom for a juice box and let the fun begin. Show me which response has me saying anything about the people who got in for an early screening one way or another, first of all. Show me. I think it's hilarious in a pathetic way that a bitter old man can only express himself by lashing out at the nearest available targets. What's the matter, old fart? Damn kids won't stay off your lawn? Why are you so mad? In fact, why are you even here if you hate everyone younger than yourself and their choice of entertainment? Oh, wait, that's right. This is all you're capable of from the nursing home. Oh, and you are in no position to decide what's mediocre and what's not. You are nothing. You began as nothing and you will finish as nothing. I'll take anything today has to offer over whatever the hell passed for quality for you when you were a tyke. Cheaply made Chuck Norris films were the best your generation could hope for. At least my mom's still alive. How thoroughly have the worms eaten yours'? |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 26, 2017 3:25:39 GMT
it's hilarious in a pathetic way that you kids are so desperate to celebrate a high school drama that at best MIGHT be the 3rd best Spidey movie. Why are you so mad? Y'all strive for mediocrity and according to the bloggers this thread is quoting, mediocrity is exactly what you're getting.  Excellent post! |
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jun 26, 2017 4:23:07 GMT
So as long as you are happy with watching a movie revolving around high school histrionics that at best is inferior to the first 2 Raimi Spidey movies then you might be satisfied? And that somehow is enough to make sycophants on this board break into a circle jerk? Y'all really set that bar of expectation high, huh? Also no opinion is more reliable than some unknown blogger desperate to see her name on some other morons twitter account, right? Let the celebration begin. Now I understand why the long time Marvel victory cry is "Make Mine Mediocre" The fact you think the Raimi films are some kind of standard to be held up to is hilarious. Your input is unnecessary and unwanted, so could you kindly go jump off a cliff? It is kind of funny. I ❤️ Spider-Man 1 and 2. I will defend both with my dying breath. The first movie is nearly perfect. The second is also phenomenal but, it suffers a bit from Raimi's tendency towards camp. Look for weirdly timed zoom ins over the top reactions and jerky action choreography. It's almost like watching one of his Evil Dead movies. #truth |
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Excellent post!