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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 28, 2017 7:34:04 GMT
They changed the origin of the Amazons to be some kind of sex race... .? Made to love men, who then immediately become the greatest warriors in human history. That makes sense... But the big one was that They decided to completely omit why a bunch of Zeus-made Greek love-bots become South Americans. We just randomly start calling them Amazonian. Even in the movie they show Trevor in a small fighter plane leaving Germany. There's absolutely no way he gets to the coast of Brazil in that thing, implying he's probably in the Mediterranean. It's okay when you change origin stories, it's not okay when you stick with the plot links you've irreparably broken. I know people usually throw this word around incorrectly, but they've officially created a plot hole with that one... especially one that wasn't a plot hole to begin with. They made it into one. They're called Amazons, not Amazonians. And there's no indication in the movie that Themyscira is in South America. In fact, according to ancient Greek mythology, Themyscira was located somewhere on the southern coast of the Black Sea, in what is now modern-day Turkey.
So there's no plothole. You just don't know Greek mythology.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 28, 2017 17:42:56 GMT
We were not there in the past when these events happened, so we would not know. We view it with the critical eyes of someone who did not see something first hand and only has centuries' worth of stories to base from... so it's understandable that we're skeptical. That said, it would be foolish and arrogant to insist that an event was false when we ourselves weren't present in the event. I don't think we should believe everything we hear in religion, but I also think it's foolish to disregard everything in religion as nonsense. The only foolish and irrational thing would be to accept it as true with no sufficient justification/demonstration that it's even possible that it's true.
You wouldn't say it's foolish to disregard that we're living in a simulation for comparison. So it's not foolish to disregard unjustified religious claims.
And just to highlight how irrational religious claims are, not only is there no actual evidence for them, and every argument for it has a gap in logic, but there is actually is a logical path to us being in a simulation. As silly as that sounds, at this point, it's actually more reasonable, and yet it's the god idea people take more seriously.
Here's the kicker though: Humankind does not know everything. There's a bunch of stuff we still don't know. So it would be foolish to say something isn't true just because mankind has not proven it to be true... since mankind doesn't know everything and can't prove everything. Now I'm not saying religion is correct, but it would be foolish to assume they're completely wrong when we were not there during the events that built that religion in the first place. It would be like people 500 years in the future saying WWI never happened because there are no digital videos that showcase that war.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 18:54:06 GMT
I'd say Sir Patrick being Ares was a WTF moment in a very good way. I didn't see that coming. I have to agree with that actually. We were all really expecting Ludendorff to be Ares
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Post by Marv on Jun 28, 2017 20:02:49 GMT
I'd say Sir Patrick being Ares was a WTF moment in a very good way. I didn't see that coming. I have to agree with that actually. We were all really expecting Ludendorff to be Ares I thought Ludendorff...then once that fight started I thought...it's gonna wind up being Dr Poison. When WW looked in the window and saw Sir Patrick it surprised me.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 28, 2017 22:08:09 GMT
Here's the kicker though: Humankind does not know everything. There's a bunch of stuff we still don't know. So it would be foolish to say something isn't true just because mankind has not proven it to be true... since mankind doesn't know everything and can't prove everything. Now I'm not saying religion is correct, but it would be foolish to assume they're completely wrong when we were not there during the events that built that religion in the first place. It would be like people 500 years in the future saying WWI never happened because there are no digital videos that showcase that war. I agree we don't know everything. I fully accept that in fact. And I'm not saying I believe it's not true, I'm saying that is no justification/demonstration to accept that it is.
It is a baseless idea.
Comparing it to needing WWI and needing digital photos is not really the point. You can demonstrate things exist without seeing them, so video would have nothing to do with it. It perhaps makes a stronger case, but you don't need it to confirm something is true.
However, there is nothing to confirm that religious ideas are true. They are baseless.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 22:27:31 GMT
There really wasn't one. A lot of people seem to find it weird that the same actor played Ares in his "god form", but I honestly don't see how it would be any better if they made him CGI into somebody else for that.
It certainly wasn't a perfect movie, but I can't think of any scene that was seriously bad.
But then I never thought "Martha!" was especially bad either.
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Post by havenless on Jul 10, 2017 18:33:16 GMT
They changed the origin of the Amazons to be some kind of sex race... .? Made to love men, who then immediately become the greatest warriors in human history. That makes sense... But the big one was that They decided to completely omit why a bunch of Zeus-made Greek love-bots become South Americans. We just randomly start calling them Amazonian. Even in the movie they show Trevor in a small fighter plane leaving Germany. There's absolutely no way he gets to the coast of Brazil in that thing, implying he's probably in the Mediterranean. It's okay when you change origin stories, it's not okay when you stick with the plot links you've irreparably broken. I know people usually throw this word around incorrectly, but they've officially created a plot hole with that one... especially one that wasn't a plot hole to begin with. They made it into one. They're called Amazons, not Amazonians. And there's no indication in the movie that Themyscira is in South America. In fact, according to ancient Greek mythology, Themyscira was located somewhere on the southern coast of the Black Sea, in what is now modern-day Turkey.
So there's no plothole. You just don't know Greek mythology.
I know Greek mythology; you don't know Wonder Woman's backstory apparently. They're called amazons because Zeus moved Themyscira to just off the mouth of the Amazon river after all the Hercules stuff happened. They omitted that, left them in the Mediterranean yet still called them Amazons multiple times in the movie. Why were they calling them Amazons if it wasn't a plot hole?
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