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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 3:30:59 GMT
Who me? Someone has to be.  I mean, how else does anyone know what posters are posting about and to whom and wtf? You have a point. Thank you for the compliment on my avatar Klawrencio. Part of the problem is this board is still in development and has some kinks. I have had technical issues and this site needs an overhaul. It is an improvement over the cancelled IMDB boards in some ways. More features and editing tools. But it only has a fraction of the members and it is more difficult to navigate. It is like they slapped it together during the 2 week waiting period they gave IMDB posters about cancelling the boards. One feature that is imperfect but improved is the block feature. The word is "block" not "ignore" now. No more "post ignored" in pale letters with the poster's name. Out of sight and out of mind. Almost. A problem is is that if someone quotes a blocked poster in one of your threads you see the poster's name avatar and comments in in their reply. I don't want to see a blocked poster's avatar and reply. I don't know if they can fix this glitch or not. I miss the IMDB boards. I started posting at the very beginning. This board and similar boards will likely be better in a few months. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 3:41:50 GMT
Who me? Someone has to be. I mean, how else does anyone know what posters are posting about and to whom and wtf? You have a point. Thank you for the compliment on my avatar Klawrencio. Part of the problem is this board is still in development and has some kinks. I have had technical issues and this site needs an overhaul. It is an improvement over the cancelled IMDB boards in some ways. More features and editing tools. But it only has a fraction of the members and it is more difficult to navigate. It is like they slapped it together during the 2 week waiting period they gave IMDB posters about cancelling the boards. One feature that is imperfect but improved is the block feature. The word is "block" not "ignore" now. No more "post ignored" in pale letters with the poster's name. Out of sight and out of mind. Almost. A problem is is that if someone quotes a blocked poster in one of your threads you see the poster's name avatar and comments in in their reply. I don't want to see a blocked poster's avatar and reply. I don't know if they can fix this glitch or not. I miss the IMDB boards. I started posting at the very beginning. This board and similar boards will likely be better in a few months.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 2:38:58 GMT
Not even then. All sports must be protected against corruption and potential corruption. Granted, maybe Rose never meant to throw a game for his own profit and just enjoyed gambling, but to forgive what he did would open a legal door for worse behavior. This. He's a scumbag. True, there's plenty of rogues already in, but he broke the cardinal rule. If anyone should get in, it's Shoeless Joe before this dirtbag. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 4:35:40 GMT
Not even then. All sports must be protected against corruption and potential corruption. Granted, maybe Rose never meant to throw a game for his own profit and just enjoyed gambling, but to forgive what he did would open a legal door for worse behavior. This. He's a scumbag. True, there's plenty of rogues already in, but he broke the cardinal rule. If anyone should get in, it's Shoeless Joe before this dirtbag. Shoeless Joe Jackson belongs in the HOF. He is not there because of the 1919 World Series. Pete Rose is an unpleasant man. Anti-intellectual. He has bragged that he has "never read a book in his life". He is not stupid at all. He was a very intelligent baseball player. He had a gambling problem. He didn't throw games or anything like that because he was super-competitive. He willed himself into being a great player with his hard work ethic and a pure love of the game. His love of the game is what makes his exclusion so tragic. Charles Comiskey is in the HOF and he is undeserving. The 1919 Series scandal would have happened eventually. It happened to the White Sox because Comiskey was a stingy prick. He stiffed Eddie Cicotte out of a $10,000 bonus (for winning 30 games) by benching him the last 2 weeks of the season. That was despicable. The underpaid and unappreciated players took some money. Do you blame Eddie Cicotte? baseballhall.org/Pete Rose belongs in The National Baseball Hall of Fame. |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jul 19, 2017 9:42:21 GMT
This. He's a scumbag. True, there's plenty of rogues already in, but he broke the cardinal rule. If anyone should get in, it's Shoeless Joe before this dirtbag. Charles Comiskey is in the HOF and he is undeserving. The 1919 Series scandal would have happened eventually. It happened to the White Sox because Comiskey was a stingy prick. He stiffed Eddie Cicotte out of a $10,000 bonus (for winning 30 games) by benching him the last 2 weeks of the season. That was despicable. The underpaid and unappreciated players took some money. Do you blame Eddie Cicotte? baseballhall.org/Pete Rose belongs in The National Baseball Hall of Fame. "Following a sub-par 1918 season in which he led the league with 19 losses, Cicotte signed a $5,000 contract for 1919. Baseball lore has it that Chicago owner Charles Comiskey agreed to give the pitcher a $10,000 bonus if he won 30 games, then ordered him benched in the season’s final weeks so he wouldn’t have to pay it. This supposedly was Cicotte’s impetus for agreeing to rig that year’s World Series. The facts don’t bear this out. The contract Cicotte signed makes no mention of a bonus. Furthermore, it was Cicotte who asked to go home to Detroit after his 29th win. For the second time in three years, he would top all American League hurlers in wins and innings pitched. He wanted to rest his overworked arm for postseason play. Instead he wound up starting two more games in late September, including the pennant-clincher, though he did not receive credit for the victory. If Cicotte really did narrowly miss out on the alleged $10,000 bonus, it didn’t matter, for he would soon find that exact amount under his pillow." www.detroitathletic.com/blog/2012/03/11/the-sad-story-of-detroiter-eddie-cicotte-and-the-black-sox-scandal/"There is a famous legend that states that Comiskey had promised Cicotte a large bonus for winning 30 games in 1919, and then told manager Kid Gleason not to use him in the season's last days to keep his star pitcher from reaching the milestone. There is no truth to this: for one thing, the fix was agreed in early September, and for another, if anything, Cicotte was overused in the season's last weeks while the pennant was already sewn up. What may have sparked this legend is that something similar took place in September of 1917, when Cicotte approached a 30-win season that would win him a promised $10,000 bonus. According to Eliot Asinof, Comiskey had the pitcher benched rather than give him a chance in his final few starts; he ended with 28 wins." www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Eddie_CicotteThe $10,000 Bonus, like much of Eight Men Out, is bullshit. Like the tale of the hitman, telling Lefty Williams he would be sitting behind Lefty's wife for Game 8. The moment the White Sox won, he would put a bullet in Mrs. Williams head. Never happened. Eliot Asinof regurgitated every tall tale concerned with The Fix. |
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Post by shadyvsesham on Jul 19, 2017 13:51:25 GMT
I agree, Pete Rose was a fn monster. Dude was a beast. Let em in! Broke, we are on the same side in this one!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 4:38:28 GMT
Charles Comiskey is in the HOF and he is undeserving. The 1919 Series scandal would have happened eventually. It happened to the White Sox because Comiskey was a stingy prick. He stiffed Eddie Cicotte out of a $10,000 bonus (for winning 30 games) by benching him the last 2 weeks of the season. That was despicable. The underpaid and unappreciated players took some money. Do you blame Eddie Cicotte? baseballhall.org/Pete Rose belongs in The National Baseball Hall of Fame. "Following a sub-par 1918 season in which he led the league with 19 losses, Cicotte signed a $5,000 contract for 1919. Baseball lore has it that Chicago owner Charles Comiskey agreed to give the pitcher a $10,000 bonus if he won 30 games, then ordered him benched in the season’s final weeks so he wouldn’t have to pay it. This supposedly was Cicotte’s impetus for agreeing to rig that year’s World Series. The facts don’t bear this out. The contract Cicotte signed makes no mention of a bonus. Furthermore, it was Cicotte who asked to go home to Detroit after his 29th win. For the second time in three years, he would top all American League hurlers in wins and innings pitched. He wanted to rest his overworked arm for postseason play. Instead he wound up starting two more games in late September, including the pennant-clincher, though he did not receive credit for the victory. If Cicotte really did narrowly miss out on the alleged $10,000 bonus, it didn’t matter, for he would soon find that exact amount under his pillow." www.detroitathletic.com/blog/2012/03/11/the-sad-story-of-detroiter-eddie-cicotte-and-the-black-sox-scandal/"There is a famous legend that states that Comiskey had promised Cicotte a large bonus for winning 30 games in 1919, and then told manager Kid Gleason not to use him in the season's last days to keep his star pitcher from reaching the milestone. There is no truth to this: for one thing, the fix was agreed in early September, and for another, if anything, Cicotte was overused in the season's last weeks while the pennant was already sewn up. What may have sparked this legend is that something similar took place in September of 1917, when Cicotte approached a 30-win season that would win him a promised $10,000 bonus. According to Eliot Asinof, Comiskey had the pitcher benched rather than give him a chance in his final few starts; he ended with 28 wins." www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Eddie_CicotteThe $10,000 Bonus, like much of Eight Men Out, is bullshit. Like the tale of the hitman, telling Lefty Williams he would be sitting behind Lefty's wife for Game 8. The moment the White Sox won, he would put a bullet in Mrs. Williams head. Never happened. Eliot Asinof regurgitated every tall tale concerned with The Fix. Whether or not the $10,000 bonus was withheld and Cicotte in 1919 is unknown. You give credible evidence that it did not but also state it may have happened in 1917. What is important is that gamblers waited until they found a World Series team that had underpaid players who were not treated with respect. That was the 1919 Chicago White Sox. Chick Gandil was a smart and tough man. It would be in character for him to use the threat of violence to intimidate players who agreed to the fix and then got cold feet. What happened and did not happen is unknown. The reason the White Sox were selected was because Charles Comiskey was a miser. He was inducted into the HOF as an executive in 1939. He is the most undeserving entrant imo. Look at Shoeless Joe. That poor guy was totally illiterate. He couldn't even sign his own name. His wife signed his name on baseballs. He was born poor and went to work in the mills as a "linthead" when he was just a child. He was an outstanding baseball player. HOF? That is not what my thread is about. This thread is about Pete Rose. Pete Rose belongs in the Hall of Fame. |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jul 20, 2017 8:51:26 GMT
Whether or not the $10,000 bonus was withheld and Cicotte in 1919 is unknown. You give credible evidence that it did not but also state it may have happened in 1917. What is important is that gamblers waited until they found a World Series team that had underpaid players who were not treated with respect. That was the 1919 Chicago White Sox. Chick Gandil was a smart and tough man. It would be in character for him to use the threat of violence to intimidate players who agreed to the fix and then got cold feet. What happened and did not happen is unknown. The reason the White Sox were selected was because Charles Comiskey was a miser. He was inducted into the HOF as an executive in 1939. He is the most undeserving entrant imo. Look at Shoeless Joe. That poor guy was totally illiterate. He couldn't even sign his own name. His wife signed his name on baseballs. He was born poor and went to work in the mills as a "linthead" when he was just a child. He was an outstanding baseball player. HOF? That is not what my thread is about. This thread is about Pete Rose. Pete Rose belongs in the Hall of Fame. I know the thread is about Pete Rose, but I do love to talk about the Black Sox. So... Below are the 1919 opening day payrolls for the eight AL clubs. Boston Red Sox: $93,475 New York Yankees: $91,330 Chicago White Sox: $88,461 Detroit Tigers: $81,433 Cleveland Indians: $78,913 St. Louis Browns: $63,000 Washington Senators: $63,000 Philadelphia A’s: $42,000 (excerpt from Paths to Glory: How Great Baseball Teams Got That Way, Daniel R. Levitt, Mark Armour) Yes, the Sox payroll was slightly skewed by Eddie Collins $15,000. Yes, Joe Jackson was very underpaid (illiteracy =/= stupidity, Jackson ran a successful liquor store in South Carolina after his career). Yes, Cicotte was seemingly underpaid, but his salary was similar to Jim Bagby's 1921 salary, after he went 31-12. They had the highest paid 2b (Collins), the highest paid 3b (Weaver) and the highest paid catcher (Schalk). Comiskey paid better than Connie Mack, Clark Griffith, Phil Ball (St. Louis Browns) and he never would have dismantled his team like Harry Frazee (now there's an asshole owner!). Comiskey the Skinflint is more BS from Eight Men Out. So why did the Black Sox do it? Simple, because they thought they could get away with it. In 1918, Reds 1b Hal Chase was suspended for fixing games. Chase might have played in more dishonest games than honest ones. He had been a crook since 1910. In 1918, Chase openly offered Jimmy Ring (who beat Cicotte in Game 4) $50 to throw a game. Ring reported to his manager, the impeccable Christy Mathewson. Matty suspended Chase. There was a hearing after the 1918 season, where Ring and Mathewson testified and a $500 check from a known gambler was shown. Incredibly, "Prince Hal" was acquitted. Chase kept going in 1919 and was finally kicked out for good. He might have been a go-between for the Black Sox and the gamblers. Chick Gandil, Hap Felsch and Swede Risberg seen Chase, seen him throw games over and over, and figured "why not?". It became easy to dangle a big payday under the noses of aging players like Jackson and Cicotte. Another thing. There's a lot of evidence that the White Sox were throwing games in 1920. A group of New York gamblers (not Rothstein, he was too smart)threatened to expose the series shenanigans if they didn't lay down for key games against the Yanks. And a couple games in St Louis. In a July 17-19 series against NY, the Sox got the shit kicked out of them. That's the key reason you don't want players to consort with gamblers, they have the players by the balls. And that's why Peter Edward Rose should not be in the Hall of Fame. |
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