barkingbaphomet
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Post by barkingbaphomet on Jun 28, 2017 23:20:45 GMT
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Post by formersamhmd on Jun 28, 2017 23:32:03 GMT
They also introduced Peggy Carter before giving her her own mini series. They also introduced, followed by cameos for Coulson before giving him his own tv series. Peggy Carter and Agent Coulson didn't get their own movies, idiot! Doesn't matter, they got their own TV shows.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 28, 2017 23:46:43 GMT
Peggy Carter and Agent Coulson didn't get their own movies, idiot! Doesn't matter, they got their own TV shows. It matters because it shows that MCU was too scared to give those characters their own movies and were only willing to give them TV shows. Only after MCU saw DCEU take the lead with introducing Wonder Woman and Aquaman in BvS before giving them their own solo movies, then MCU copied DECU by introducing Black Panther in Civil War before giving him his own solo movie.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jun 29, 2017 0:10:44 GMT
Doesn't matter, they got their own TV shows. It matters because it shows that MCU was too scared to give those characters their own movies and were only willing to give them TV shows. That's just as much a risk as a movie. More, actually.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jun 29, 2017 0:25:40 GMT
Great article: How The DCEU Changed The Marvel Plan & Won
The DCEU's strategy has been so successful that even MCU is copying DCEU. DCEU introduced Wonder Woman and Aquaman in BvS before giving them their own solo movies. What does MCU do? MCU copies DCEU by introducing Black Panther in Civil War before giving him his own solo movie.
Dude, Guardians of the Galaxy: Five characters, no solo film for either of them, 91% on RottenTomatoes, came out in 2014, two years before Batman v Superman, which by the way, has only three major characters (one who already had a solo film and one who basically everyone knows [Batman]) yet still fucks it up, 27% on RottenTomatoes. Suicide Squad, about 7-8 real major characters to cover in the film. Fucked it up, 25% on RottenTomatoes. See where I'm going with this?
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 29, 2017 0:47:18 GMT
How on Earth could Marvel have copied the DCEU when the BvS and Civil War were released mere months apart? In order to do that, they'd have to reshoot HUGE portions of the film and edit it back together in about a month's time to pull it off. MCU knew Wonder Woman was going to be in BvS when Gal Gadot was chosen to play Wonder Woman. So MCU knew that DCEU was going to introduce Wonder Woman in BvS before giving her a solo movie. So MCU decided to copy DCEU and introduce Black Panther in Civil War before giving him a solo movie. It's called spinoffs, and this technique has been around for decades.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 29, 2017 0:49:40 GMT
It matters because it shows that MCU was too scared to give those characters their own movies and were only willing to give them TV shows. That's just as much a risk as a movie. More, actually. Nope. TV shows are much less riskier. Lower budget. And they can produce a shortened season first (like they did with Agent Carter) to see how much viewer interest there is before they renew it for another season. Movies have much higher budgets and they can't just produce half a movie and see if there's viewer interest in it.
They have to produce a whole movie so a lot more risk. That's why MCU was scared to take that risk for Agent Carter and Agent Coulson. Only after MCU saw that DCEU was going to give Wonder Woman and Aquaman solo movies after introducing them in BvS, then MCU decided to copy DCEU and give Black Panther a solo movie after introducing him in Civil War.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jun 29, 2017 0:54:19 GMT
That's just as much a risk as a movie. More, actually. Nope. TV shows are much less riskier. Lower budget. And they can produce a shortened season first (like they did with Agent Carter) to see how much viewer interest there is before they renew it for another season. Movies have much higher budgets and they can't just produce half a movie and see if there's viewer interest in it.
They have to produce a whole movie so a lot more risk. That's why MCU was scared to take that risk for Agent Carter and Agent Coulson. Only after MCU saw that DCEU was going to give Wonder Woman and Aquaman solo movies after introducing them in BvS, then MCU decided to copy DCEU and give Black Panther a solo movie after introducing him in Civil War.
I'm going to put a whole end to all this bullshit here. But the reason why Agent Carter or Agent Coulson, or even Black Widow and Hawkeye haven't gotten their own movies is because they're secondary characters. Its kinda hard to make a movie for them as the protagonist. They don't have their own rogue gallery like Iron Man or Captain America. It has nothing to do with being scared to give them a movie because they know they won't really be successful with it and it won't progress the Marvel Universe either.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 29, 2017 1:00:19 GMT
Nope. TV shows are much less riskier. Lower budget. And they can produce a shortened season first (like they did with Agent Carter) to see how much viewer interest there is before they renew it for another season. Movies have much higher budgets and they can't just produce half a movie and see if there's viewer interest in it.
They have to produce a whole movie so a lot more risk. That's why MCU was scared to take that risk for Agent Carter and Agent Coulson. Only after MCU saw that DCEU was going to give Wonder Woman and Aquaman solo movies after introducing them in BvS, then MCU decided to copy DCEU and give Black Panther a solo movie after introducing him in Civil War.
I'm going to put a whole end to all this bullshit here. But the reason why Agent Carter or Agent Coulson, or even Black Widow and Hawkeye haven't gotten their own movies is because they're secondary characters. Its kinda hard to make a movie for them as the protagonist. They don't have their own rogue gallery like Iron Man or Captain America. Did you know that DCEU is making a Batgirl solo movie? Let's see, who's in Batgirl's rogue gallery?
Well, there's the Joker, Penguin, Riddler, Catwoman, Two-Face, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, the Mad Hatter . . . oh wait, that's Batman's rogue gallery. Batgirl doesn't really have a rogue gallery.
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Post by Marv on Jun 29, 2017 1:08:38 GMT
A Batgirl solo movie sounds terrible. There are so many more interesting and different female heros for DC to choose from. Why go with someone from the Bat Family.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jun 29, 2017 1:09:20 GMT
I'm going to put a whole end to all this bullshit here. But the reason why Agent Carter or Agent Coulson, or even Black Widow and Hawkeye haven't gotten their own movies is because they're secondary characters. Its kinda hard to make a movie for them as the protagonist. They don't have their own rogue gallery like Iron Man or Captain America. Did you know that DCEU is making a Batgirl solo movie? Let's see, who's in Batgirl's rogue gallery?
Well, there's the Joker, Penguin, Riddler, Catwoman, Two-Face, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, the Mad Hatter . . . oh wait, that's Batman's rogue gallery. Batgirl doesn't really have a rogue gallery.
Batgirl isn't a secondary character, and she's a much more popular character and is able to get away with it because she has had her own comic line. As far as I know, Agent Carter and Agent Coulson never have and always been secondary characters. Black Widow and Hawkeye may have, but to do a film about them, it may come of a generic spy film.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 29, 2017 1:12:20 GMT
Did you know that DCEU is making a Batgirl solo movie? Let's see, who's in Batgirl's rogue gallery?
Well, there's the Joker, Penguin, Riddler, Catwoman, Two-Face, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, the Mad Hatter . . . oh wait, that's Batman's rogue gallery. Batgirl doesn't really have a rogue gallery.
Batgirl isn't a secondary character, and she's a much more popular character and is able to get away with it because she has had her own comic line. As far as I know, Agent Carter and Agent Coulson never have and always been secondary characters. Black Widow and Hawkeye may have, but to do a film about them, it may come of a generic spy film. Also doesn't matter that Agent Carter or Agent Coulson or Black Widow or Hawkeye don't have a rogue gallery because whoever the villain would be in their movies couldn't be any worse than the villains in other MCU movies: Mandarin - he was a joke of a villain. Ronan - "I'm Ronan the Big Bad Destroyer and I'm invincible!" Defeated by a silly Dance-Off. Zemo - he was worst than Lex Luthor in BvS. At least Lex knew to kidnap Martha Kent and Lois Lane. Zemo: "The Avengers killed my family. But even though I know all of their identities, I'm not going to do the logical thing and go after their families and loved ones. Instead, I'm going to come up with this convoluted plot where I find the only copy of a videotape from 25 years ago of Bucky murdering Tony Stark's parents and then I'm going to wait for Captain America, Bucky, and Iron Man to all show up at this remote base in Siberia at the same time so they can watch the videotape together and then Iron Man and Captain America can fight each other."
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jun 29, 2017 1:15:07 GMT
Batgirl isn't a secondary character, and she's a much more popular character and is able to get away with it because she has had her own comic line. As far as I know, Agent Carter and Agent Coulson never have and always been secondary characters. Black Widow and Hawkeye may have, but to do a film about them, it may come of a generic spy film. Also doesn't matter that Agent Carter or Agent Coulson or Black Widow or Hawkeye don't have a rogue gallery because whoever the villain would be in their movies couldn't be any worse than the villains in other MCU movies: Mandarin - he was a joke of a villain. Ronan - "I'm Ronan the Big Bad Destroyer and I'm invincible!" Defeated by a silly Dance-Off. Zemo - he was worst than Lex Luthor in BvS. At least Lex knew to kidnap Martha Kent and Lois Lane. Zemo: "The Avengers killed my family. But even though I know all of their secret identities, I'm not going to do the logical thing and go after their families and loved ones. Instead, I'm going to come up with this convoluted plot where I find the only copy of a videotape from 25 years ago of Bucky murdering Tony Stark's parents and then I'm going to wait for Captain America, Bucky, and Iron Man to all show up at this remote base in Siberia at the same time so they can watch the videotape together and then Iron Man and Captain America can fight each other." How about the Enchantress - WTF is she dancing for?? Either way, when you retort to childish insults and mockery like this, it means you lost.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jun 29, 2017 11:37:02 GMT
That's just as much a risk as a movie. More, actually. Nope. TV shows are much less riskier. Lower budget.
More time and effort put into TV shows, budgets can be equal depending on circumstances. Better way of testing the waters. Kingsley was just an Actor. He was destroyed by an Infinity Stone, not dancing. You weren't paying attention, it was perfectly explained why he didn't do this.
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Post by dnno1 on Jun 29, 2017 13:31:52 GMT
How on Earth could Marvel have copied the DCEU when the BvS and Civil War were released mere months apart? In order to do that, they'd have to reshoot HUGE portions of the film and edit it back together in about a month's time to pull it off. No, Everybody knew that Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Cyborg and the Flash would be in a movie and that they would be in BvS since October of 2014. Once Marvel knew this they decided to change Captain America 3 to Civil War and added Black Panther to the film to get more bang for their buck.
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Post by barcode on Jun 29, 2017 14:24:59 GMT
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 29, 2017 14:34:13 GMT
More time and effort put into TV shows, budgets can be equal depending on circumstances. Um. NO. MCU movies have budgets well over $100 million each. TV shows don't get $100 million budgets. TV shows don't have extensive reshoots. TV shows don't have as much mass marketing and promoting as movies. And TV shows can have a shortened season (like Agent Carter did) while movies can't have half a movie. TV shows have lower budgets and thus lower risk. That's why MCU was willing to make TV shows with female lead characters but not movies with female lead characters. They were afraid that there wasn't a market for female-led superhero movies. But WB took a risk by making Wonder Woman (the riskiest CBM ever made) and Patty Jenkins delivered 1 of the best CBMs ever made and definitely better than all of MCU's movies.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 29, 2017 14:55:50 GMT
How on Earth could Marvel have copied the DCEU when the BvS and Civil War were released mere months apart? In order to do that, they'd have to reshoot HUGE portions of the film and edit it back together in about a month's time to pull it off. No, Everybody knew that Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Cyborg and the Flash would be in a movie and that they would be in BvS since October of 2014. Once Marvel knew this they decided to change Captain America 3 to Civil War and added Black Panther to the film to get more bang for their buck. Yep. It wasn't like MCU didn't know Wonder Woman and the others were going to be in BvS until BvS was released. The whole world (and MCU) knew Wonder Woman and the others were going to be in BvS as soon as it was announced that Gal Gadot, Jason Mamoa, etc. had been chosen for those roles. That's when MCU decided to copy DCEU and add Black Panther to Civil War before giving him his own solo movie.
It just goes to show the hypocrisy of MCU fans. They keep claiming that Wonder Woman (which takes place in 1918) is a copy of The First Avenger (which takes place in 1944), but they refuse to admit that Civil War was a copy of BvS (1. a government building gets blown up, killing a prominent government official; 2. a villain manipulates heroes into fighting each other; 3. other heroes e.g. Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Flash, Cyborg, Black Panther, Spider-Kid are introduced into the shared universe before they get their own solo movies later on) and refuse to admit that MCU dictator Kevin Feige has admitted that MCU copied most of their movies from Superman: The Movie. Even MCU's latest retcon to say that Peter Parker was a kid that Iron Man saved in 1 of the Iron Man movies is a basically a copy of Superman: The Movie, except that Superman: The Movie didn't have to retcon it like MCU did.
Wonder Woman is nothing like that piece of crap The First Avenger. Wonder Woman actually has more in common with Superman: The Movie than that piece of crap The First Avenger:
1. We see Clark as a child and a teenager in Superman: The Movie and we see Diana as a child and a teenager in Wonder Woman. We never see Steve Rogers as a child or a teenager in The First Avenger.
2. In Superman: The Movie, Clark catches a bullet in the alley when Clark and Lois are being robbed. In Wonder Woman, Patty Jenkins puts in a nice homage to Superman: The Movie with the alley scene in which Diana blocks a bullet when Diana and Steve are cornered by German spies. There's no such alley scene in The First Avenger.
3. First public appearance in costume
Superman - flies up to catch a falling Lois and then catches the falling helicopter with 1 hand, while John Williams' classic theme music (1 of the most recognized theme songs in movie history) is playing. Saves Lois and saves dozens of people on the street who would've been crushed by the falling helicopter. Most iconic scene in CBM history.
Wonder Woman - climbs up the ladder and crosses No Man's Land and then proceeds to the town and takes out the German soldiers. Liberates the town. 2nd-most iconic scene in CBM history.
Captain America - performs a dance and musical number with cheerleaders on stage for Stan Lee. No lives saved. No towns liberated.
4. Genuine and believable romance
In Superman: The Movie, Superman and Lois spend an evening together flying over Metropolis. In Wonder Woman, Diana and Steve spend an evening together dancing in the snow and other things. In The First Avenger, Steve Rogers and Peggy Carter never spent an evening together or went out on a date together. Steve Rogers and Peggy Carter were a really lame "romance" that wasn't genuine or believable and they're easily 1 of the worst couples in CBM history.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 29, 2017 15:01:56 GMT
Excellent post! formersamhmd, PeterJasonQuill, and weirdraptor just got owned!
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Post by furiousstyles77 on Jun 29, 2017 16:55:40 GMT
They also introduced Peggy Carter before giving her her own mini series. They also introduced, followed by cameos for Coulson before giving him his own tv series. Peggy Carter and Agent Coulson didn't get their own movies, idiot! Iron Man was introduced in the incredible hulk, this was made before the DCEU, the DCEU copied Marvel. Sorry bud, you lose , again
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