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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 1:11:00 GMT
1968 saw the release of what I consider two of the best SF movies ever made, 2001 and Planet of the Apes. Apes is based on the (mediocre) novel by Pierre Boulle and features an outstanding cast, led by Charlton Heston, Roddy McDowell and Kim Hunter. Heston brings real gravitas to the role and was exactly the kind of actor needed. By comparison, Mark Wahlberg seemed totally lost and seemed to shrink in the far inferior and silly Burton remake. What makes the original standout is it's a supremely intelligent film. Michael Wilson and Rod Serling did a brilliant job writing the screenplay. It is a stunning film and I think one of the masterpieces of SF. The final scene is to me the most shocking ever. Odd and perfect score by Jerry Goldsmith. Maybe the most impressive fact is they were able to create all these apes and make them seem believable. 10/10
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jul 3, 2017 0:48:47 GMT
Hold up really well I thought. Some goofy humor. Someone told me that ALL the dialogue in the movie is Michael Wilson. Serling didnt write a word of it. Which surprises me because I assumed the early Heston monologue was Serling and in the past Wilson was usually just credited for the humor. The ending is Serling's. The book is definitely inferior to the movie though it has some ideas like the naked woman tearing the chimp to pieces. But I think it was smart to have it set in a more rustic type city. Maybe Heston's best acting job? He seemed to really get into it. "It's a mad house! A mad house!" It does fit in with the "white man failure" theme as Yuri Bezmenov described commie demoralization strategy in the West, for those keeping track of conspiracy theories.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jul 5, 2017 18:31:16 GMT
8/10.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2017 20:27:13 GMT
8/10
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Post by movielover on Jul 5, 2017 20:48:27 GMT
8/10 - Powerful ending.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jul 6, 2017 1:29:45 GMT
One of the greatest endings of all time, for sure:
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 1:58:47 GMT
A masterpiece of the sci fi genre. I could gush about it for hours. It's intelligent, well paced, brilliantly thematically layered, has great FX and is still as topical as ever. A ten for sure!
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jul 6, 2017 2:29:26 GMT
A masterpiece of the sci fi genre. I could gush about it for hours. It's intelligent, well paced, brilliantly thematically layered, has great FX and is still as topical as ever. A ten for sure! Burton remake was a turd, though, innit? Hated that shit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 4:05:18 GMT
A masterpiece of the sci fi genre. I could gush about it for hours. It's intelligent, well paced, brilliantly thematically layered, has great FX and is still as topical as ever. A ten for sure! Burton remake was a turd, though, innit? Hated that shit. Never watched that shit. An Abomination it was!
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jul 6, 2017 4:25:16 GMT
Burton remake was a turd, though, innit? Hated that shit. Never watched that shit. An Abomination it was! I was a huge fan of the Burton Batman flicks and too young to be cynical about remakes. I paid dearly for this mistake. I wish I could un-see that one.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Jul 6, 2017 5:38:13 GMT
... viewed it twice in the theater last July—"very good" in my judgment. The location shooting is haunting and memorable, the compositions are impressive, the editing is effective, and as the original poster indicated, the film is quite substantive and intelligent from a social or thematic perspective. The symbolic or allegorical commentary about racial discrimination is especially notable when one considers that the film came out in 1968, at a time when the sixties' major civil rights legislation had been passed just three-to-four years earlier and the federal authorities were still in the process of dismantling Jim Crow in parts of the South. Moreover, though, the concerns offered by the movie are timeless. Weaknesses? I like Charlton Heston well enough here and he physically fits the role, but he was a very limited actor, in my view, in the ability to suggest pathos or poignancy. So perhaps, given the material, there is a little untapped potential in that regard. And, as with plenty of science fiction, some of the aspects do not make much sense if one actually starts to think about them. I detailed some of those elements last year on IMDb in this thread: www.imdbarchive.com/board/p/1745603/2/But ultimately, Planet of the Apes represents terrific sci-fi, at once fanciful and sobering, visually vivid and socially relevant. Every sci-fi movie should aspire to this sort of quality.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Jul 6, 2017 5:42:33 GMT
1968 saw the release of what I consider two of the best SF movies ever made, 2001 and Planet of the Apes. Apes is based on the (mediocre) novel by Pierre Boulle and features an outstanding cast, led by Charlton Heston, Roddy McDowell and Kim Hunter. Heston brings real gravitas to the role and was exactly the kind of actor needed. By comparison, Mark Wahlberg seemed totally lost and seemed to shrink in the far inferior and silly Burton remake. What makes the original standout is it's a supremely intelligent film. Michael Wilson and Rod Serling did a brilliant job writing the screenplay. It is a stunning film and I think one of the masterpieces of SF. The final scene is to me the most shocking ever. Odd and perfect score by Jerry Goldsmith. Maybe the most impressive fact is they were able to create all these apes and make them seem believable. 10/10 You make a good point there. Although I find major limitations to Heston in general and to some extent in this role, I agree with you about his "gravitas." Perhaps, because of his biblical roles from the past, the casting of Heston inherently suggested some kind of important mythos.
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Post by heeeeey on Jul 6, 2017 14:27:36 GMT
One of my top 10 favorites.
The Wahlberg version is crap.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 18:16:33 GMT
It's a true classic, and that ending is beautiful, but I never cared for the entire series. No idea why, I haven't bothered with any of the remakes (apart from the Burton one, now that was bad.), even if they get good reviews.
A 7 for me, because it is definitely not a bad movie, just not for me.
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Post by Nalkarj on Jul 6, 2017 18:37:25 GMT
Hold up really well I thought. Some goofy humor. Someone told me that ALL the dialogue in the movie is Michael Wilson. Serling didn't write a word of it. Which surprises me because I assumed the early Heston monologue was Serling and in the past Wilson was usually just credited for the humor. The ending is Serling's.
The book is definitely inferior to the movie though it has some ideas like the naked woman tearing the chimp to pieces. But I think it was smart to have it set in a more rustic type city. Maybe Heston's best acting job? He seemed to really get into it. "It's a mad house! A mad house!" It does fit in with the "white man failure" theme as Yuri Bezmenov described commie demoralization strategy in the West, for those keeping track of conspiracy theories. I'd assumed the same re: the early Heston monologue; the ending is indeed pure Serling. Is anyone positive about who did what for this script? Every source I read has a different mixture!
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jul 6, 2017 18:52:26 GMT
I'd assumed the same re: the early Heston monologue; the ending is indeed pure Serling. Is anyone positive about who did what for this script? Every source I read has a different mixture! I had asked around because I wanted to know who wrote the Lawgiver scroll but I have seen Serling script drafts and there is no reference to it. I would have bet money when Heston is teasing the astronaut about the statue it was Serling, but someone who said they read the Wilson script was adamant that Serling's was different--the rehearsal footage with Heston and Edward G Robinson was Serling's script.
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Post by maxwellperfect on Jul 6, 2017 22:51:44 GMT
10/10, unqualified masterpiece. I like how the soundtrack enhances the off-kilter feel of the whole thing.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Jul 7, 2017 4:53:01 GMT
10/10, unqualified masterpiece. I like how the soundtrack enhances the off-kilter feel of the whole thing. I appreciate the whole movie, but I actually feel that the early sequences, before the apes have captured or killed the astronauts, are the best—and the sound mixing and score are a significant reason why. The film's early sequences, along with the haunting denouement, are really eerie.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jul 7, 2017 7:07:49 GMT
10/10
It's a movie that works on multiple levels. Every time I've watched it I saw something I missed earlier.
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Post by bluerisk on Jul 7, 2017 15:20:15 GMT
Master piece and the "Statue of Liberty"-scene has become iconic...one of the best finals/twists ever. Many good movie/franchises fail to deliver - Lost, Battlstar Galactica 200X, Matrix - but this one delivers - when Dr. Zaius is confronted with the truth, but also later when it is on Taylor to face the truth.
10/10
Benchmark of Sci-Fi
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