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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jul 3, 2017 9:57:08 GMT
 I just checked the world's biggest popular-movie chart, IMDb's Top 250. And I was surprised that the best-ranking MCU effort on there is GotG at last place (ie 250th) - and it seems to be on it's way out already! Now, there is no DCEU either, but things like Logan or all Nolan-Batmans are well represented (the latter at ridiculously high spots since ever).
www.imdb.com/chart/top?ref_=nv_mv_250_6
These charts are well known for predominantly representing the current taste/votes of young males, thus a core target audience of MCU films - films like Avengers1 or Cap2 should be there.
Now why is that....? I fully see MCU not being part of any artistic movie chart, but - in their current heyday! - why not on the popular charts...? |
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Post by sostie on Jul 3, 2017 10:17:23 GMT
That 250 is pretty congested..only a 1.2 difference between #1 and #250
Though I am a little confused. Both GOTG and The Avengers are at 8.1 on their pages, but GOTG is 8.0 in the 250 and The Avengers is not in there! (Shawshank is 9.3 on it's page. 9.2 on list!)
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Post by kevin on Jul 3, 2017 10:20:54 GMT
That 250 is pretty congested..only a 1.2 difference between #1 and #250 Though I am a little confused. Both GOTG and The Avengers are at 8.1 on their pages, but GOTG is 8.0 in the 250 and The Avengers is not in there! (Shawshank is 9.3 on it's page. 9.2 on list!) From IMDb: "As documented on the Top 250 Chart page, only votes from regular IMDb voters are considered when generating the Top 250 Rated out of the full voting database. This explains any difference between the vote averages reported in the Top 250 Rated Charts and those on the individual movie pages, as well as why movies, whose averages make them seem as though they should appear on the list, do not. To maintain the effectiveness of the Top 250 Rated Charts, we deliberately do not and will not disclose the criteria used for a person to be counted as a regular voter." |
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Post by sostie on Jul 3, 2017 10:27:27 GMT
That 250 is pretty congested..only a 1.2 difference between #1 and #250 Though I am a little confused. Both GOTG and The Avengers are at 8.1 on their pages, but GOTG is 8.0 in the 250 and The Avengers is not in there! (Shawshank is 9.3 on it's page. 9.2 on list!) From IMDb: "As documented on the Top 250 Chart page, only votes from regular IMDb voters are considered when generating the Top 250 Rated out of the full voting database. This explains any difference between the vote averages reported in the Top 250 Rated Charts and those on the individual movie pages, as well as why movies, whose averages make them seem as though they should appear on the list, do not. To maintain the effectiveness of the Top 250 Rated Charts, we deliberately do not and will not disclose the criteria used for a person to be counted as a regular voter." Thanks |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 16:59:47 GMT
I just checked the world's biggest popular-movie chart, IMDb's Top 250. And I was surprised that the best-ranking MCU effort on there is GotG at last place (ie 250th) - and it seems to be on it's way out already! Now, there is no DCEU either, but things like Logan or all Nolan-Batmans are well represented (the latter at ridiculously high spots since ever).
www.imdb.com/chart/top?ref_=nv_mv_250_6
These charts are well known for predominantly representing the current taste/votes of young males, thus a core target audience of MCU films - films like Avengers1 or Cap2 should be there.
Now why is that....? I fully see MCU not being part of any artistic movie chart, but - in their current heyday! - why not on the popular charts...? I guess they are not as popular as people think... Oh well. I like them, so as long as they are being made (and keep making above half a billion, so the suits are happy) i'm ok. |
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jul 3, 2017 17:26:36 GMT
To be fair, the Top 250 on IMDb is a pretty elite group.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 19:40:29 GMT
Wow, you are getting desperate, Tristan. The IMDb Top 250? Really? The list that's constantly being changed by people thoughtless giving films they like a '10' and by trolls creating new accounts to vote films they don't like a '1' to lower its rank? Really?
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Post by Jedan Archer on Jul 3, 2017 19:47:29 GMT
Yes, that seems paradoxical considering the extensive money the franchise makes, and how popular these kinds of movies are right now.
I am positive the answer will be multicausal. But one aspect might be that super hero fans are widely considered and confirmed as contentious imbeciles: It might be that the factions try to sabotage each other by simply voting the other faction's outputs down, thus no MCU or DCEU.
Sounds plausible enough, but admittedly, that theory would not explain why TDK sits at 4 comfortably, or why Wolverine III is on there too, also there are mechanisms in place to prevent crass misuse of the voting system .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 19:52:56 GMT
Yes, that seems paradoxical considering the extensive money the franchise makes, and how popular these kinds of movies are right now. I am positive the answer will be multicausal. But one aspect might be that super hero fans are widely considered and confirmed as contentious imbeciles: It might be that the factions try to sabotage each other by simply voting the other faction's outputs down, thus no MCU or DCEU. Sounds plausible enough, but admittedly, that theory would not explain why TDK sits at 4 comfortably, or why Wolverine III is on there too, also there are mechanisms in place to prevent crass misuse of the voting system . If there were mechanisms in place to prevent crass misuse of anything on IMDb, they wouldn't have had to shut down the forums. Yeah, a Star Wars prequel fan is in no position to call someone else a contentious imbeciles, since that is the entirety of the prequel fanbase. |
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Post by Jedan Archer on Jul 3, 2017 20:27:12 GMT
Yes, that seems paradoxical considering the extensive money the franchise makes, and how popular these kinds of movies are right now. I am positive the answer will be multicausal. But one aspect might be that super hero fans are widely considered and confirmed as contentious imbeciles: It might be that the factions try to sabotage each other by simply voting the other faction's outputs down, thus no MCU or DCEU. Sounds plausible enough, but admittedly, that theory would not explain why TDK sits at 4 comfortably, or why Wolverine III is on there too, also there are mechanisms in place to prevent crass misuse of the voting system . If there were mechanisms in place to prevent crass misuse of anything on IMDb, they wouldn't have had to shut down the forums. I'd really love to have a chat with you weirdraptor, but that is a typical raptor non sequitur. What does a mechanisms to prevent voting misuse have to do with IMDb shutting down the discussion forums? The algorithm/mechanism the poster above and I referred to is that votes are filtered by criteria as follows: only certain longstanding member votes count, a certain regular number of votes must given, and - most importantly - extreme "fanboy" votes such as 1/10 or 10/10 are given less to no weight. All this to stabilize the charts against misuse by fanboys opening countless accounts and voting up/down a movie. enter the case in point, rabidly biting your own raptor tail. I appreciate that facing the prequels fanbase was a traumatic experience for you, as these guys systematically handed your raptor ass to you.But again, what has this to do with super hero fans voting movies down? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 20:30:05 GMT
If there were mechanisms in place to prevent crass misuse of anything on IMDb, they wouldn't have had to shut down the forums. I'd really love to have a chat with you weirdraptor, but that is a typical raptor non sequitur. What does a mechanisms to prevent voting misuse have to do with IMDb shutting down the discussion forums? The algorithm/mechanism the poster above and I referred to is that votes are filtered by criteria as follows: only certain longstanding member votes count, a certain regular number of varied, nuanced votes must given, and - most importantly - extreme "fanboy" votes such as 1/10 or 10/10 are given less to no weight. All this to stabilize the charts against misuse by fanboys opening countless accounts and voting up/down a movie. enter the case in point, rabidly biting your own raptor tail. I appreciate that facing the prequels fanbase was a traumatic experience for you, as these guys systematically handed your raptor ass to you.But again, what has this to do with super hero fans voting movies down? Uh-huh. Yeah, sure. Someone's giving too much credit to IMDb's competence. You did nothing of the sort. Its just beneath me to bother with a mass of cockalorums like you. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jul 4, 2017 12:03:57 GMT
Wow, you are getting desperate, Tristan. The IMDb Top 250? Really? The list that's constantly being changed by people thoughtless giving films they like a '10' and by trolls creating new accounts to vote films they don't like a '1' to lower its rank? Really? come on raptor, there is your trademark low effort thinking again. Can't you do better than that?
Ever heard of the IMDb "Regular Voter" System, it's described in this very thread and on the site btw.
Apart from that, even if this mechanism was not in place, this would not explain why there aren't MCUs in the Top 250, but other CBMs such as all 3 Nolan-Bats or Logan are. The answer to that seems more complex than you are able to fathom. You don't even try.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 14:43:52 GMT
Wow, you are getting desperate, Tristan. The IMDb Top 250? Really? The list that's constantly being changed by people thoughtless giving films they like a '10' and by trolls creating new accounts to vote films they don't like a '1' to lower its rank? Really? come on raptor, there is your trademark low effort thinking again. Can't you do better than that?
Ever heard of the IMDb "Regular Voter" System, it's described in this very thread and on the site btw.
Apart from that, even if this mechanism was not in place, this would not explain why there aren't MCUs in the Top 250, but other CBMs such as all 3 Nolan-Bats or Logan are. The answer to that seems more complex than you are able to fathom. You don't even try.
No, the answer is remarkably simple: IMDb's lists are in no way accurate. The fact you actually think IMDb's Regular Voter System is anymore well-maintained than their ability to keep things civil on the message boards is hilarious. There's YOUR trademark low effort thinking again. |
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Post by poelzig on Jul 4, 2017 17:45:25 GMT
This site seems to be the only place where the MCU movies are worshiped and placed on a pedestal. Any other movie site I've visited they are seen as the forgettable fun movies that they are. I've enjoyed several of them but no adults take them seriously. Do they?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 18:50:44 GMT
Why should I care what is in the IMDb top 250? Like the raptor said, it's constantly being changed
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jul 4, 2017 19:17:57 GMT
Why should I care what is in the IMDb top 250? you do not have to, but that is not the question here, Pete. The conundrum is why the - arguably - currently most popular movie series is not represented in the biggest popular movie cart ever. At least some of the better MCU movies such as Avenger 1, IM1 or Cap 2 should be there for several years, next to/below Logan or Bats, like Matrix, LotR, SW and other pulp franchises (theses linger on the same places since years). Bollocks, mate. Like others and I said: This is utter nonsense and also not the point. The top 30 and the charts as a whole are remarkably stable since years (Shawshank/Godfather on top since ever). This thanks to a Regular Voter mechanism preventing voter misuse. TDK is on 4 since release, the other Nolan films hardly move down. Force Awakens entered high and is slowly sinking since then, and will hopefully be out within a year. |
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Post by furiousstyles77 on Jul 4, 2017 19:26:43 GMT
I just checked the world's biggest popular-movie chart, IMDb's Top 250. And I was surprised that the best-ranking MCU effort on there is GotG at last place (ie 250th) - and it seems to be on it's way out already! Now, there is no DCEU either, but things like Logan or all Nolan-Batmans are well represented (the latter at ridiculously high spots since ever).
www.imdb.com/chart/top?ref_=nv_mv_250_6
These charts are well known for predominantly representing the current taste/votes of young males, thus a core target audience of MCU films - films like Avengers1 or Cap2 should be there.
Now why is that....? I fully see MCU not being part of any artistic movie chart, but - in their current heyday! - why not on the popular charts...? Because there are 250 movies people voted ahead of mcu films ? And may I add elite movies, still doesn't take away the fact that marvel movies are still very popular and highly rated , not sure what you are hoping to get out of this thread other than to try and sow discord |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 19:31:17 GMT
When it comes to pure quality there even shouldnt be many Marvel movies in the top 250.
That doesnt mean I stop liking them.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 4, 2017 20:04:30 GMT
I just checked the world's biggest popular-movie chart, IMDb's Top 250. And I was surprised that the best-ranking MCU effort on there is GotG at last place (ie 250th) - and it seems to be on it's way out already! Now, there is no DCEU either, but things like Logan or all Nolan-Batmans are well represented (the latter at ridiculously high spots since ever).
www.imdb.com/chart/top?ref_=nv_mv_250_6
These charts are well known for predominantly representing the current taste/votes of young males, thus a core target audience of MCU films - films like Avengers1 or Cap2 should be there.
Now why is that....? I fully see MCU not being part of any artistic movie chart, but - in their current heyday! - why not on the popular charts...? Speaking of the top 250, anyone remember when the trolls got a my little Pony film on the top 250? It didn't last long (boo!) But it was fun to see those who took that list serious have a heart attack. |
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Post by poelzig on Jul 4, 2017 20:12:01 GMT
I just checked the world's biggest popular-movie chart, IMDb's Top 250. And I was surprised that the best-ranking MCU effort on there is GotG at last place (ie 250th) - and it seems to be on it's way out already! Now, there is no DCEU either, but things like Logan or all Nolan-Batmans are well represented (the latter at ridiculously high spots since ever).
www.imdb.com/chart/top?ref_=nv_mv_250_6
These charts are well known for predominantly representing the current taste/votes of young males, thus a core target audience of MCU films - films like Avengers1 or Cap2 should be there.
Now why is that....? I fully see MCU not being part of any artistic movie chart, but - in their current heyday! - why not on the popular charts...? Speaking of the top 250, anyone remember when the trolls got a my little Pony film on the top 250? It didn't last long (boo!) But it was fun to see those who took that list serious have a heart attack. I bet that cap America guy was involved but he didn't mean it as a joke. He's a hard core my little pony lover. I think they are called dongys or something similar. |
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