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Post by WarrenPeace on Jul 9, 2017 11:59:06 GMT
Just watched it. Great movie. I liked how it showed all the investigative work that went into finding him while at the same time we see the Jackal getting ready for his day with his preparations.
It leaves me with questions. Mainly on Baroness Collette de Montpellier, the woman he meets and seduces first at the hotel and then later on at her country estate.
1) Why was she even there when she has a nice place to live in complete with servants? 2) Did the Jackal do something to the woman passed out in the hotel lounge to distract the staff so that he could look up Collette's address in the hotel register or was that just a nice coincidence for him? 3) Why did he seduce Collette? Did he just want sex or was it so that he could sleep in her room in case the police showed up? 4) When he shows up at her estate, was he planning to go there all along even before the car accident? And why? Or did he decide to go after the accident to hide? Why go there at all when he has a different car? 5) When he kills her, puts on the disguise and steals her car, I'm guessing that was not preplanned and came up after she told him the police had questioned her and she tells of her suspicions.
Other: He needs a private place to stay instead of a hotel to elude the cops so he connects with a gay man in the Turkish Bath. Do you think that he did anything sexual with the man he meets back at his place?
Why did he kill/knock out the landlady even after making an impression of the key? Was he worried about her being a witness? That is my guess.
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Post by mattgarth on Jul 9, 2017 15:56:54 GMT
1) As I recall, the Countess had been traveling to attend her son's graduation. The distance may have been too great to return home without an overnight stay.
Other -- probably had sex with the guy, part of a complete cover ... he needed somewhere safe in the city to lay low until the celebration day. landlady -- he needed access to the upstairs apartment as his kill zone, so she had to be put out of the way.
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Post by bravomailer on Jul 9, 2017 16:07:37 GMT
A wonderful understated thriller reflecting the political passions of France in the early sixties. I liked the relatively non-spectacular ending. Producers today would insist on a car chase and/or a rooftop pursuit.
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Post by marshamae on Jul 9, 2017 23:45:44 GMT
The Baroness was a pickup, unplanned. The old lady who died in the lounge was coincidence. He never intended to see her again, but after the car accident, he needed to hole up somewhere. When she let him know that the police had been there, she could never reassure him enough. He was an ice cold professional and would always do whatever would keep him safe. That went for sleeping with Jules. One of the worst things for gay men in those days is that they were vulnerable, to blackmail to all kinds of pressure. No matter what, Jules could not go to the police, so it was an undercover hideout in plain sight. With the photo and information on the screen , even Jules would have turned him in. It was too big a risk. But I don't think the Jackal ever troubled about such killings. If they presented any sort of threat, they had to go. The only passion he showed was in killing the forger who tried to cheat and blackmail him. He clearly enjoyed that killing, just as he clearly appreciated the gunsmith as a fellow professional.
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Post by WarrenPeace on Jul 10, 2017 3:30:54 GMT
The Baroness was a pickup, unplanned. The old lady who died in the lounge was coincidence. He never intended to see her again, but after the car accident, he needed to hole up somewhere. When she let him know that the police had been there, she could never reassure him enough. He was an ice cold professional and would always do whatever would keep him safe. That went for sleeping with Jules. One of the worst things for gay men in those days is that they were vulnerable, to blackmail to all kinds of pressure. No matter what, Jules could not go to the police, so it was an undercover hideout in plain sight. With the photo and information on the screen , even Jules would have turned him in. It was too big a risk. But I don't think the Jackal ever troubled about such killings. If they presented any sort of threat, they had to go. The only passion he showed was in killing the forger who tried to cheat and blackmail him. He clearly enjoyed that killing, just as he clearly appreciated the gunsmith as a fellow professional. What makes you think he liked killing the forger?
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Post by bonerxmas on Jul 10, 2017 4:01:01 GMT
he goes through all those genius preparations and then he misses! that just made it ridiculous to me
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Post by marshamae on Jul 10, 2017 18:33:13 GMT
What makes you think he liked killing the forger? HE had a little smirk as he kneed the guy , then he was playing with him as he led him to say that the place they were meeting was isolated. Finally this is the only person in the film until the end who purposely set out to harm him. The other murder were, Jackal felt, necessary, perhaps unfortunate. The Forger Asked for it. Read more: imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/41991/day-jackal-1973#ixzz4mSGd6FHr
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Post by WarrenPeace on Jul 10, 2017 19:31:07 GMT
What makes you think he liked killing the forger? HE had a little smirk as he kneed the guy , then he was playing with him as he led him to say that the place they were meeting was isolated. Finally this is the only person in the film until the end who purposely set out to harm him. The other murder were, Jackal felt, necessary, perhaps unfortunate. The Forger Asked for it. Read more: imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/41991/day-jackal-1973#ixzz4mSGd6FHrThanx for those insights... I was also wondering about the dialog that led up to it about the meeting place. The Jackal suggests a different place and the forger insists that it be there and admits how private it was. I'm under the impression the Jackal wanted to find out how private it was so that the body wouldn't be found for many days or even weeks. If he doesn't own it, then probably from a landlord coming around to collect. Woa be to the one who opens the trunk. That will stink to high heaven!
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Post by WarrenPeace on Jul 10, 2017 19:32:08 GMT
he goes through all those genius preparations and then he misses! that just made it ridiculous to me I appreciate your insights. Yeah, and no one notices the missed exploding bullet. And those cops on the rooftops nearby were really lousy at their jobs!
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Post by jeffersoncody on Jul 10, 2017 19:48:09 GMT
he goes through all those genius preparations and then he misses! that just made it ridiculous to me I appreciate your insights. Yeah, and no one notices the missed exploding bullet. And those cops on the rooftops nearby were really lousy at their jobs! History is what ensures he must miss at the end warren. Too be honest, we know going in that the Jackal is never go to kill his target, but the suspense is so expertly built up that we still remain in doubt right up to the end. The book by Frederick Forsyth is thrilling too.
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Post by sadsaak on Jul 10, 2017 20:22:03 GMT
Just watched it. Great movie. I liked how it showed all the investigative work that went into finding him while at the same time we see the Jackal getting ready for his day with his preparations. It leaves me with questions. Mainly on Baroness Collette de Montpellier, the woman he meets and seduces first at the hotel and then later on at her country estate. 1) Why was she even there when she has a nice place to live in complete with servants? 2) Did the Jackal do something to the woman passed out in the hotel lounge to distract the staff so that he could look up Collette's address in the hotel register or was that just a nice coincidence for him? 3) Why did he seduce Collette? Did he just want sex or was it so that he could sleep in her room in case the police showed up? 4) When he shows up at her estate, was he planning to go there all along even before the car accident? And why? Or did he decide to go after the accident to hide? Why go there at all when he has a different car? 5) When he kills her, puts on the disguise and steals her car, I'm guessing that was not preplanned and came up after she told him the police had questioned her and she tells of her suspicions. Other: He needs a private place to stay instead of a hotel to elude the cops so he connects with a gay man in the Turkish Bath. Do you think that he did anything sexual with the man he meets back at his place? Why did he kill/knock out the landlady even after making an impression of the key? Was he worried about her being a witness? That is my guess. Good points. Itr was Frederick Forsyth's first book and he had been told that every best seller needed a sex scene. Hence the Baroness.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jul 10, 2017 20:25:29 GMT
Edward Fox is great in it.
The reasons why the soldiers were pissed about DeGaulle was only hinted at but at least they devoted some time to it.
I saw another movie on Algeria and how much infrastructure the French had built-they really did contribute a lot-no wonder some were pissed about leaving. But they got other problems now. Algeria has come to France. Not even the Jackal could fix it.
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Post by WarrenPeace on Jul 10, 2017 22:45:10 GMT
I appreciate your insights. Yeah, and no one notices the missed exploding bullet. And those cops on the rooftops nearby were really lousy at their jobs! History is what ensues he must miss at the end warren. Too be honest, we know going in that the Jackal is never go to kill his target, but the suspense is so expertly built up that we still remain in doubt right up to the end. The book by Frederick Forsyth is thrilling too. I agree. You are right about what keeps us watching. And I didn't know what was going to really happen though I did suspect he wasn't going to hit his target. I had to see as to what would happen. I am interested in reading the book to get more insights into my questions. Glad to see you made it over here. Thanx for making it.
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Post by WarrenPeace on Jul 10, 2017 22:50:30 GMT
What makes you think he liked killing the forger? HE had a little smirk as he kneed the guy , then he was playing with him as he led him to say that the place they were meeting was isolated. Finally this is the only person in the film until the end who purposely set out to harm him. The other murder were, Jackal felt, necessary, perhaps unfortunate. The Forger Asked for it. Read more: imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/41991/day-jackal-1973#ixzz4mSGd6FHrThanx for those insights... I was also wondering about the dialog that led up to it about the meeting place. The Jackal suggests a different place and the forger insists that it be there and admits how private it was. I'm under the impression the Jackal wanted to find out how private it was so that the body wouldn't be found for many days or even weeks. If he doesn't own it, then probably from a landlord coming around to collect. Woa be to the one who opens the trunk. That will stink to high heaven! Another thought I have on the forger is I wonder if he blackmailed other clients in the past. I'm guessing he did because of his confidence. He wasn't afraid to or nervous at all with the Jackal when he tried it. I bet that he was expecting, just like he did with others he may have blackmailed before, for the Jackal to go along with it. I knew that the Jackal wasn't going to go along with it and would kill him.
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Post by marshamae on Jul 11, 2017 14:41:45 GMT
Another thought I have on the forger is I wonder if he blackmailed other clients in the past. I'm guessing he did because of his confidence. He wasn't afraid to or nervous at all with the Jackal when he tried it. I bet that he was expecting, just like he did with others he may have blackmailed before, for the Jackal to go along with it.
I knew that the Jackal wasn't going to go along with it and would kill him.
I think the forger just misread the Jackal. He thought he was dealing with a toff, an upper class guy taking his first dip into the underworld. And the forger was greedy.
The Jackal was pure professional, with no emotions intruding, no agenda other than to complete the job, leaving no trace.
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Post by bonerxmas on Jul 12, 2017 23:32:41 GMT
I appreciate your insights. Yeah, and no one notices the missed exploding bullet. And those cops on the rooftops nearby were really lousy at their jobs! History is what ensures he must miss at the end warren. Too be honest, we know going in that the Jackal is never go to kill his target, but the suspense is so expertly built up that we still remain in doubt right up to the end. The book by Frederick Forsyth is thrilling too. but they could have the cop get there seconds earlier and stop him instead of having him fire and miss, it just seemed like a farce, to set him up as the worlds greatest assassin who calculates every detail, but then is foiled because his target bends over
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Post by bravomailer on Jul 13, 2017 15:03:24 GMT
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Post by mattgarth on Jul 13, 2017 18:14:06 GMT
Should Donald bow his head just in time, Bravo ?
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Post by bravomailer on Jul 13, 2017 18:25:49 GMT
I was watching a live shot, so to speak, of today's ceremony a couple hours ago and immediately thought of the parallel scene in The Day of the Jackal. Whatever people want to infer, and which politician they want to duck or not, is entirely up to them!
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