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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jul 12, 2017 19:35:40 GMT
Right, and he doesn't give a minimum age where he thinks consent is possible. There's a big difference between "advocating for sex with four-year-olds" and "advocating for a consent-based approach to sex." I don't think anyone would deny that a four year old would be able to say they agreed to something (in this case sex) and explain sex if they were given the opportunity to be exposed to it. I think plenty of people would deny that children were capable of understanding what they were consenting to. That's kinda the whole point of having an age of consent at all. |
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Post by Cinemachinery on Jul 12, 2017 19:37:16 GMT
Right, and he doesn't give a minimum age where he thinks consent is possible. There's a big difference between "advocating for sex with four-year-olds" and "advocating for a consent-based approach to sex." I don't think anyone would deny that a four year old would be able to say they agreed to something (in this case sex) and explain sex if they were given the opportunity to be exposed to it. Definitely, man. An age range that would eat hostess snack cakes three meals per day if it could and regularly gets coins and crayons stuck in its nose is prime material for understanding and digesting the implications of sex. Dr. Drew told me so. He's an "internist". |
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Post by PanLeo on Jul 12, 2017 19:37:38 GMT
I don't think anyone would deny that a four year old would be able to say they agreed to something (in this case sex) and explain sex if they were given the opportunity to be exposed to it. I think plenty of people would deny that children were capable of understanding what they were consenting to. That's kinda the whole point of having an age of consent at all. Eddie disagrees. He finds the idea of children not being able to understand sex as ridiculous. |
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Post by PanLeo on Jul 12, 2017 19:39:59 GMT
I don't think anyone would deny that a four year old would be able to say they agreed to something (in this case sex) and explain sex if they were given the opportunity to be exposed to it. Definitely, man. An age range that would eat hostess snack cakes three meals per day if it could and regularly gets coins and crayons stuck in its nose is prime material for understanding and digesting the implications of sex. Dr. Drew told me so. He's an "internist". In the case of non-oral sex it's as simple as "the man's puts his penis inside the woman's vagina". No different then "the man put his wrench in the box and closed it.". Do you think a kid would be able to understand the latter? Regardless of morality, it seems obvious to me that a kid can consent. |
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Post by Cinemachinery on Jul 12, 2017 19:45:16 GMT
Four Year Old Milestones:
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Post by cupcakes on Jul 12, 2017 19:46:06 GMT
tpfkar Eva Yojimbo said:His (i) (ii) and (ii) could easily apply to a multitude of 4 year-olds. And "4 year-olds" has been a common age he has used in his advocacy. And then there's the whole community service for rape thing.
Deez: "Feel the same way I do or there is something wrong with you."
Meez: If you think 4 year-olds can be f!ckable, or that anything done to infants could be called "sexual relations", as you do both, then there is something very wrong with you.
Deez: And yet you attempt to deny being an objectivist. |
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Post by PanLeo on Jul 12, 2017 19:49:40 GMT
Four Year Old Milestones: You got a source for that? |
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Post by scienceisgod on Jul 12, 2017 19:55:35 GMT
Four Year Old Milestones: Your one size fits all approach is the reason our schools are failing. Some kids come out of high school not being able to read, while others are writing the next great American novels. What happened? Do we need to ban reading, Mr Harrison Bergeron? Some ADULTS aren't emotionally mature enough for sex. Do you really want to outlaw sex for the rest of us on their behalf? Some retard hurt himself jumping off a diving board. Ban diving boards! It's blackmail by the lowest common denominator. |
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Post by Cinemachinery on Jul 12, 2017 19:57:59 GMT
Definitely, man. An age range that would eat hostess snack cakes three meals per day if it could and regularly gets coins and crayons stuck in its nose is prime material for understanding and digesting the implications of sex. Dr. Drew told me so. He's an "internist". In the case of non-oral sex it's as simple as "the man's puts his penis inside the woman's vagina". No different then "the man put his wrench in the box and closed it." Read more: imdb2.freeforums.net/post/654819/quote/42182?page=8#ixzz4meITVmdeRight? "Don't stick a crayon in your nose" sounds pretty simple, too. Yet pediatricians are pulling them out every day. Ready for sex! Fun fact: estrogen levels drive lubrication in women. Pre-pubescent girls don't really lubricate (which is why doctors advise against playing about with tampons pre-menstruation, even to show them how they work) - so you'll need to have a separate conversation with the box about lube before you start swinging your wrench about. Sounds perfectly legit, Padraig. Sound thinking. |
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Post by Cinemachinery on Jul 12, 2017 19:59:47 GMT
Four Year Old Milestones: Your one size fits all approach is the reason our schools are failing. Some kids come out of high school not being able to read, while others are writing the next great American novels. What happened? Do we need to ban reading, Mr Harrison Bergeron? Some ADULTS aren't emotionally mature enough for sex. Do you really want to outlaw sex for the rest of us on their behalf? Some retard hurt himself jumping off a diving board. Ban diving boards! It's blackmail by the lowest common denominator. Cognitive milestones are the reason our schools are failing because cabbage popular barricade uniform. |
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Post by Cinemachinery on Jul 12, 2017 20:00:56 GMT
Four Year Old Milestones: You got a source for that? Yes. And the fact that you're arguing for consent in four-year-olds without even a basic understanding of the cognitive milestones of that age range is...' Well, it's pretty par for the course with you, actually. |
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Post by PanLeo on Jul 12, 2017 20:04:26 GMT
Right? "Don't stick a crayon in your nose" sounds pretty simple, too. Yet pediatricians are pulling them out every day. Ready for sex! Fun fact: estrogen levels drive lubrication in women. Pre-pubescent girls don't really lubricate (which is why doctors advise against playing about with tampons pre-menstruation, even to show them how they work) - so you'll need to have a separate conversation with the box about lube before you start swinging your wrench about. Sounds perfectly legit, Padraig. Sound thinking. Kids know what it means they just refuse to obey and put it up there anyway. Do you have any evidence that it is due to a lack of understanding of the instruction? |
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Post by PanLeo on Jul 12, 2017 20:04:59 GMT
Yes. And the fact that you're arguing for consent in four-year-olds without even a basic understanding of the cognitive milestones of that age range is...' Well, it's pretty par for the course with you, actually. Then provide it? |
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Post by scienceisgod on Jul 12, 2017 20:06:06 GMT
Your one size fits all approach is the reason our schools are failing. Some kids come out of high school not being able to read, while others are writing the next great American novels. What happened? Do we need to ban reading, Mr Harrison Bergeron? Some ADULTS aren't emotionally mature enough for sex. Do you really want to outlaw sex for the rest of us on their behalf? Some retard hurt himself jumping off a diving board. Ban diving boards! It's blackmail by the lowest common denominator. Yeah cognitive milestones are so arbitrary. Aw shucks, you got me. I didn't realize that some authority decided to make the concept of "cognitive milestones" official. When your daughter is ready for sex, is it really so hard to imagine that it will not be at the same time as other children? "Hey, junior learned to read before she did! Let's shackle him!" How can you think that's a solution? |
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Post by Cinemachinery on Jul 12, 2017 20:13:02 GMT
 Did Dr. Drew tell you this, too? Again, dude, you're arguing in favor of four year old consent without even a basic understanding of the cognitive milestones of that age group. It's vapid. |
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Post by scienceisgod on Jul 12, 2017 20:14:20 GMT
Right? "Don't stick a crayon in your nose" sounds pretty simple, too. Yet pediatricians are pulling them out every day. Ready for sex! Pediatricians chopped up your genitals when you were an infant. But sex? Sacrilege! Testosterone drives lubrication in women, not estrogen. I notice you said puberty. You didn't give an age. You recognize there's a range yet you want an age of consent law. |
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Post by PanLeo on Jul 12, 2017 20:15:20 GMT
Did Dr. Drew tell you this, too? Again, dude, you're arguing in favor of four year old consent without even a basic understanding of the cognitive milestones of that age group. It's vapid. Still waiting for that source for your claims. If you are right about this I will gladly admit to being wrong. |
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Post by gadreel on Jul 12, 2017 20:20:45 GMT
Definitely, man. An age range that would eat hostess snack cakes three meals per day if it could and regularly gets coins and crayons stuck in its nose is prime material for understanding and digesting the implications of sex. Dr. Drew told me so. He's an "internist". In the case of non-oral sex it's as simple as "the man's puts his penis inside the woman's vagina". No different then "the man put his wrench in the box and closed it.". Do you think a kid would be able to understand the latter? Regardless of morality, it seems obvious to me that a kid can consent. It's not a case of understanding the physical act, it's a case of understanding the implication. I notice you still have not answered my question. |
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Post by PanLeo on Jul 12, 2017 20:23:36 GMT
In the case of non-oral sex it's as simple as "the man's puts his penis inside the woman's vagina". No different then "the man put his wrench in the box and closed it.". Do you think a kid would be able to understand the latter? Regardless of morality, it seems obvious to me that a kid can consent. It's not a case of understanding the physical act, it's a case of understanding the implication. I notice you still have not answered my question. What implication? Having fun? |
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Post by scienceisgod on Jul 12, 2017 20:25:21 GMT
Did Dr. Drew tell you this, too? Again, dude, you're arguing in favor of four year old consent without even a basic understanding of the cognitive milestones of that age group. It's vapid. "The Cognitive Milestones" doesn't even have a wiki page. What kind of cognition is this where you have to appeal to authority for a claim as basic as "I don't think kids can be ready for sex at age 4"? It's like pathological that you aren't willing to take accountability. Who cares about Dr Drew? You're accusing him of doing what you're doing brazenly. |
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