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Post by Superdude6091 on Jul 12, 2017 14:12:36 GMT
tpfkar That's funny I told you that Charlie Hebdo wouldn't be able to publish in the UK because of the law this man was prosecuted under. You of course were a great defender of Charlie Hebdo and its ridiculing of Muslims,the things they said were far more offensive than the views expressed by this man. In fact when you were talking to that piece of shit Muslim terrorist apologist Dramitis Personae about Charlie Hebdo you said this to him: And this law and prosecution are part of a concerted effort to undermine those values of free expression. You of course contradict your previous position because of your personal animosity towards the OP and myself.
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Post by cupcakes on Jul 12, 2017 14:18:06 GMT
tpfkar Superdude6091 said:Charlie Hebdo wasn't the example of this thread, it was your irrelevant tack on. And the Charlie Hebdo guys didn't start a fight with a customer and refuse to honor an horder while haranguing them. Seriously, you guys' examples are bizarre. I'm for internment without trial of any Muslim who is deemed a threat to the safety and security of the UK.
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Post by Superdude6091 on Jul 12, 2017 14:24:20 GMT
tpfkar Superdude6091 said:Charlie Hebdo wasn't the example of this thread, it was your irrelevant tack on. And the Charlie Hebdo guys didn't start a fight with a customer and refuse to honor an horder while haranguing them. Seriously, you guys' examples are bizarre. I'm for internment without trial of any Muslim who is deemed a threat to the safety and security of the UK.Which part of Charlie Hebdo could not be published in the UK because of the same law this guy was prosecuted under do you not understand Rabbit? The very free expression that they died for and you championed is being undermined by the British Judicial system itself,no machine guns necessary just the stroke of a judge's pen and the outcome is the same,and end to free expression through fear.
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Post by cupcakes on Jul 12, 2017 14:28:56 GMT
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Post by Superdude6091 on Jul 12, 2017 14:36:26 GMT
Yeah the ad hominem's are beginning to fly I hit the mark pretty well with what I said. That you wouldn't see the obvious correlation between the two incidents in how they relate to suppressing free expression is very telling. I've made my point and you can't deal with it.
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Post by Marv on Jul 12, 2017 14:36:34 GMT
I disagree with this fine.
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Post by cupcakes on Jul 12, 2017 14:42:35 GMT
tpfkar Superdude6091 said:You're a joke, of course. You do the "Rabbit", "what part do you not understand", flat out stupidly lie with "You of course contradict your previous position because of your personal animosity towards the OP and myself", and dump a whole lot of irrelevant crap and then complain about "ad hominems" and then pirouette with your inane insane puerile self-congratulations. Just a (perpetually raged out) joke. bullsh!t on repeat
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Post by thorshairspray on Jul 12, 2017 21:40:58 GMT
1) The link states he was charged with a "racially aggravated public order offense" 2) You have no legal right to service. Nor can you force a company to accept you as a customer. You have no legal right to enter a place of business or commerce. You cannot be refused service BECAUSE of the things you list, but unless you can show that those were the reasons you were refused service, then you have no case. 1) Because he refused service. 2) You have no right to deny service on the grounds listed. But he was. Tough titty to him. 1) No.......refusing service is not a public order offense. And there is no suggestion that "Mr Phillips" was a different race to the defendant. Refusing service on discriminatory grounds would most likely be covered by civil law and not criminal law anyway, so it wouldn't be a police matter. And, as the article states, he made the report for "hate speech" not refusal of service. 2) I didn't say you did. In fact I said the opposite. I can refuse service to a gay man, but not because he is gay. No.....It is hugely unlikely that "Mr Phillips" was a Muslim, given his name and the fact that the defendant started slagging off Muslims.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jul 12, 2017 21:56:58 GMT
So you understand that based on this, any criticism of any religion by anyone can be punished as a public order offence? This is effectively a blasphemy law.
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Post by cupcakes on Jul 13, 2017 3:48:39 GMT
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Post by phludowin on Jul 13, 2017 6:56:30 GMT
Not any criticism of religion is hate speech. Intelligent people, among them British judges, know that.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jul 13, 2017 7:15:58 GMT
Muslims tried to get a sculpture of Mohammad removed from the Supreme Court in the US. It was made in the 1930s.
The fact that they tried says it all-they have no respect for the laws or customs of the country they move into. This is why Islam has to be removed from Western society. It will eventually because as the numbers grow they will get more assertive and conflicts will arise.
As we have seen.
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Post by Superdude6091 on Jul 13, 2017 7:47:57 GMT
Not any criticism of religion is hate speech. Intelligent people, among them British judges, know that. They "know" no such thing. You call them intelligent because they legislate and rule in ways you approve of. What we have in affect is a blasphemy law meant to inoculate Islam from any type of criticism under the guise of clamping down on hate speech. And it is a scandal that a person expressing his opinion about Islam and the very real problems it creates is prosecuted. I and millions of others are not prepared to sacrifice the values of free expression on the altar of other people's idea of tolerance,to appease a backwards and intolerant religion
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Post by cupcakes on Jul 13, 2017 18:55:41 GMT
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Post by thorshairspray on Jul 13, 2017 22:57:28 GMT
Not any criticism of religion is hate speech. Intelligent people, among them British judges, know that. No criticism of any religion is hate speech. Let me ask you this. If a Muslim or Christian tells me in public that I deserve to go to hell for not believing, should that be considered hate speech? If not why not?
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Post by Superdude6091 on Jul 13, 2017 23:39:48 GMT
Not any criticism of religion is hate speech. Intelligent people, among them British judges, know that. No criticism of any religion is hate speech. Let me ask you this. If a Muslim or Christian tells me in public that I deserve to go to hell for not believing, should that be considered hate speech? If not why not? This is point they're failing to grasp on this thread. Let me give a personal example. several weeks ago I posted a picture on this site showing a Christian charity shop near my house that had been vandalised after the Manchester suicide bombings. Due to the nature of the vandalism I speculated that this could be the work of Muslims. At the same time as I posted that here I posted it on facebook. It was shared hundreds of times and received dozens of comments many of them expressing disgust for what had happened. However I received incredible abuse not from Muslims but white people calling me every conceivable slur from fascist to Nazi to Islamophobe. One women in particular said she was reporting me to the police for insighting racial hatred. Even though I hadn't mentioned Muslims at all in my post in fact all I'd said was "I wonder if people could guess who the prime suspects could be" This women carried on abusing me in a clear effort to intimidate me into removing the post something I wouldn't do. Lo and behold I received an email notification that somebody had viewed my Linkedin profile that I forgot I had,what it also tells you is who that person was, it turns out to be the very same women threatening me with the police on facebook. So this women had doxed me in an attempt to gain personal information about where I worked no doubt so she could contact my employer and tell them what a horrible person I am and try to get me sacked. Of course what she didn't know is she left her profile behind when viewing my account. And what was this white 50 something women's occupation? She was a company director just like the accuser in this thread. So unlike others in this thread I know what type of threat can be levied against people in an attempt to silence them. The reality is if I continue to speak the way I have here about Islam on any social media sites I risk my job and possibly my freedom under this legalisation. It's absolutely scandalous but this is Britain in 2017. Are my experiences a good enough example for Rabbit I wonder.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jul 13, 2017 23:46:34 GMT
No criticism of any religion is hate speech. Let me ask you this. If a Muslim or Christian tells me in public that I deserve to go to hell for not believing, should that be considered hate speech? If not why not? This is point they're failing to grasp on this thread. Let me give a personal example. several weeks ago I posted a picture on this site showing a Christian charity shop near my house that had been vandalised after the Manchester suicide bombings. Due to the nature of the vandalism I speculated that this could be the work of Muslims. At the same time as I posted that here I posted it on facebook. It was shared hundreds of times and received dozens of comments many of them expressing disgust for what had happened. However I received incredible abuse not from Muslims but white people calling me every conceivable slur from fascist to Nazi to Islamophobe. One women in particular said she was reporting me to the police for insighting racial hatred. Even though I hadn't mentioned Muslims at all in my post in fact all I'd said was "I wonder if people could guess who the prime suspects could be" This women carried on abusing me in a clear effort to intimidate me into removing the post something I wouldn't do. Lo and behold I received an email notification that somebody had viewed my Linkedin profile that I forgot I had,what it also tells you is who that person was, it turns out to be the very same women threatening me with the police on facebook. So this women had doxed me in an attempt to gain personal information about where I worked no doubt so she could contact my employer and tell them what a horrible person I am and try to get me sacked. Of course what she didn't know is she left her profile behind when viewing my account. And what was this white 50 something women's occupation? She was a company director just like the accuser in this thread. So unlike others in this thread I know what type of threat can be levied against people in an attempt to silence them. The reality is if I continue to speak the way I have here about Islam on any social media sites I risk my job and possibly my freedom under this legalisation. It's absolutely scandalous but this is Britain in 2017. Are my experiences a good enough example for Rabbit I wonder. I agree. The thing is, you are allowed an opinion, no matter how wrong or distasteful that opinion may be. Christians and Muslim are freely allowed to believe that I am going to Hell because I'm an atheist. If you're free to say I'm sinful because of your favoured religion, I'm free to say your religion is bullshit.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jul 13, 2017 23:49:08 GMT
No criticism of any religion is hate speech. Let me ask you this. If a Muslim or Christian tells me in public that I deserve to go to hell for not believing, should that be considered hate speech? If not why not? This is point they're failing to grasp on this thread. Let me give a personal example. several weeks ago I posted a picture on this site showing a Christian charity shop near my house that had been vandalised after the Manchester suicide bombings. Due to the nature of the vandalism I speculated that this could be the work of Muslims. At the same time as I posted that here I posted it on facebook. It was shared hundreds of times and received dozens of comments many of them expressing disgust for what had happened. However I received incredible abuse not from Muslims but white people calling me every conceivable slur from fascist to Nazi to Islamophobe. One women in particular said she was reporting me to the police for insighting racial hatred. Even though I hadn't mentioned Muslims at all in my post in fact all I'd said was "I wonder if people could guess who the prime suspects could be" This women carried on abusing me in a clear effort to intimidate me into removing the post something I wouldn't do. Lo and behold I received an email notification that somebody had viewed my Linkedin profile that I forgot I had,what it also tells you is who that person was, it turns out to be the very same women threatening me with the police on facebook. So this women had doxed me in an attempt to gain personal information about where I worked no doubt so she could contact my employer and tell them what a horrible person I am and try to get me sacked. Of course what she didn't know is she left her profile behind when viewing my account. And what was this white 50 something women's occupation? She was a company director just like the accuser in this thread. So unlike others in this thread I know what type of threat can be levied against people in an attempt to silence them. The reality is if I continue to speak the way I have here about Islam on any social media sites I risk my job and possibly my freedom under this legalisation. It's absolutely scandalous but this is Britain in 2017. Are my experiences a good enough example for Rabbit I wonder. On a related note, did you see that cockwomble, Owen Jones at Pride? He was asked what he thought about the polls saying over 50% of British Muslims wanting homosexuality made illegal. His response was about how gays were angry that the "far right" are using LGBT issues to fuel Islamophobia. The mental gymnastics re incredible.
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Post by Superdude6091 on Jul 13, 2017 23:54:17 GMT
This is point they're failing to grasp on this thread. Let me give a personal example. several weeks ago I posted a picture on this site showing a Christian charity shop near my house that had been vandalised after the Manchester suicide bombings. Due to the nature of the vandalism I speculated that this could be the work of Muslims. At the same time as I posted that here I posted it on facebook. It was shared hundreds of times and received dozens of comments many of them expressing disgust for what had happened. However I received incredible abuse not from Muslims but white people calling me every conceivable slur from fascist to Nazi to Islamophobe. One women in particular said she was reporting me to the police for insighting racial hatred. Even though I hadn't mentioned Muslims at all in my post in fact all I'd said was "I wonder if people could guess who the prime suspects could be" This women carried on abusing me in a clear effort to intimidate me into removing the post something I wouldn't do. Lo and behold I received an email notification that somebody had viewed my Linkedin profile that I forgot I had,what it also tells you is who that person was, it turns out to be the very same women threatening me with the police on facebook. So this women had doxed me in an attempt to gain personal information about where I worked no doubt so she could contact my employer and tell them what a horrible person I am and try to get me sacked. Of course what she didn't know is she left her profile behind when viewing my account. And what was this white 50 something women's occupation? She was a company director just like the accuser in this thread. So unlike others in this thread I know what type of threat can be levied against people in an attempt to silence them. The reality is if I continue to speak the way I have here about Islam on any social media sites I risk my job and possibly my freedom under this legalisation. It's absolutely scandalous but this is Britain in 2017. Are my experiences a good enough example for Rabbit I wonder. On a related note, did you see that cockwomble, Owen Jones at Pride? He was asked what he thought about the polls saying over 50% of British Muslims wanting homosexuality made illegal. His response was about how gays were angry that the "far right" are using LGBT issues to fuel Islamophobia. The mental gymnastics re incredible. I did see that actually. I've had great fun pulling that stat out here. Everytime I do people ignore it not one person has ever challenged me on it with the exception of Rabbit who stated he didn't trust the poll. The British posters won't touch it with a bargepole.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jul 14, 2017 0:10:31 GMT
On a related note, did you see that cockwomble, Owen Jones at Pride? He was asked what he thought about the polls saying over 50% of British Muslims wanting homosexuality made illegal. His response was about how gays were angry that the "far right" are using LGBT issues to fuel Islamophobia. The mental gymnastics re incredible. I did see that actually. I've had great fun pulling that stat out here. Everytime I do people ignore it not one person has ever challenged me on it with the exception of Rabbit who stated he didn't trust the poll. The British posters won't touch it with a bargepole. I've used it before, I think that was why I got called a Nazi. Remember, unpalatable facts are racist. I saw a post on Twitter showing "overwhelming Muslim opposition to Isis." When the numbers in the graphic shown, showed around 100,000,000 people with favourable attitudes to the murdering twats. I got blocked for pointing that out.
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