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Post by cupcakes on Jul 14, 2017 0:59:57 GMT
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Post by phludowin on Jul 14, 2017 5:45:24 GMT
Not any criticism of religion is hate speech. Intelligent people, among them British judges, know that. No criticism of any religion is hate speech. Let me ask you this. If a Muslim or Christian tells me in public that I deserve to go to hell for not believing, should that be considered hate speech? If not why not? First, I made a mistake. I meant to say that not every criticism of religion is hate speech. To answer your question: What hate speech is is a legal matter. It's for judges and lawmakers to decide. Examples of stuff I would consider hate speech: A Christian street preacher harassing women in front of a clinic, telling them about the sinful nature of women and the sanctity of unborn life, and calling for violence against those who enable abortions. A salafist imam calling for holy war/jihad against "infidels". A business owner refusing to serve customers unless they listen to his tirades about how Muslims/Jews/homosexuals are a scourge on humanity. As you can see: One example fits the subject of this thread. But a doomsday prophet who shouts "The end is near! Repent sinners!" and threatens individuals with Hell unless they convert to his particular brand of religion? Might be amusing or annoying; possibly guilty of harassment; but unless he doesn't call for hatred or violence against specific parts of the population, it's not hate speech worthy of persecution in my opinion.
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Post by vernuf on Jul 14, 2017 6:14:47 GMT
tpfkar Superdude6091 said:You're a joke, of course. You do the "Rabbit", "what part do you not understand", flat out stupidly lie with "You of course contradict your previous position because of your personal animosity towards the OP and myself", and dump a whole lot of irrelevant crap and then complain about "ad hominems" and then pirouette with your inane insane puerile self-congratulations. Just a (perpetually raged out) joke. bullsh!t on repeatIsn't it funny just how much like Ada Dude is?
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Post by Superdude6091 on Jul 14, 2017 7:11:30 GMT
tpfkar Superdude6091 said:You're a joke, of course. You do the "Rabbit", "what part do you not understand", flat out stupidly lie with "You of course contradict your previous position because of your personal animosity towards the OP and myself", and dump a whole lot of irrelevant crap and then complain about "ad hominems" and then pirouette with your inane insane puerile self-congratulations. Just a (perpetually raged out) joke. bullsh!t on repeatIsn't it funny just how much like Ada Dude is? Hey you gutless piece of shit where's you proof for claiming I support things the Nazis would do.
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Post by Superdude6091 on Jul 14, 2017 7:26:48 GMT
And that Rabbit is why I have nothing more to say to on this subject. You have no personal experience in any of the things were talking about and you don't even live in the country in question To you it's an abstract game to score points and "defeat" posters you have a personal dislike for. In this thread you have been unable to counter my point that this repressive law would prevent that bastion of free expression Charlie Hebdo from ever being published. The western democratic principles of free speech are being eroded from within and this law is part of that process. A judges pen subsitutes for a terrorist's machine gun and the outcome is the same,suppression of free speech through fear. Now you can continue to spit out irrelevancies about this particular case and the character of the individual involved,you can continue to bark ad hominems at me and question my character not of the alters the validity of what I'm saying. I find you a particularly distasteful individual Rabbit. I notice you can debate somewhat civily with a piece of shit pedophile on another thread but you won't afford me the same courtesy.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Jul 14, 2017 8:01:47 GMT
This is sort of why I don't engage the "Let us Uk folks tell ya about your US race situation" threads too much. Not a whole lot of point there most of the time.
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Post by Superdude6091 on Jul 14, 2017 8:07:45 GMT
This is sort of why I don't engage the "Let us Uk folks tell ya about your US race situation" threads too much. Not a whole lot of point there most of the time. Which is why I haven't participated in Thor's Black Lives Matter thread. If I was to comment I'd say taking raw data and presenting it without taking time to analyze it serves no purpose. The bloody brutal history of the relationship between the black community and law enforcement has been well documented going back generations.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jul 14, 2017 11:49:28 GMT
No criticism of any religion is hate speech. Let me ask you this. If a Muslim or Christian tells me in public that I deserve to go to hell for not believing, should that be considered hate speech? If not why not? First, I made a mistake. I meant to say that not every criticism of religion is hate speech. To answer your question: What hate speech is is a legal matter. It's for judges and lawmakers to decide. Examples of stuff I would consider hate speech: A Christian street preacher harassing women in front of a clinic, telling them about the sinful nature of women and the sanctity of unborn life, and calling for violence against those who enable abortions. A salafist imam calling for holy war/jihad against "infidels". A business owner refusing to serve customers unless they listen to his tirades about how Muslims/Jews/homosexuals are a scourge on humanity. As you can see: One example fits the subject of this thread. But a doomsday prophet who shouts "The end is near! Repent sinners!" and threatens individuals with Hell unless they convert to his particular brand of religion? Might be amusing or annoying; possibly guilty of harassment; but unless he doesn't call for hatred or violence against specific parts of the population, it's not hate speech worthy of persecution in my opinion. None of those are "hate speech" The first is harassment the second inciting violence The third isn't a crime
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Post by thorshairspray on Jul 14, 2017 11:51:26 GMT
tpfkar Superdude6091 said:You're a joke, of course. You do the "Rabbit", "what part do you not understand", flat out stupidly lie with "You of course contradict your previous position because of your personal animosity towards the OP and myself", and dump a whole lot of irrelevant crap and then complain about "ad hominems" and then pirouette with your inane insane puerile self-congratulations. Just a (perpetually raged out) joke. bullsh!t on repeatIsn't it funny just how much like Ada Dude is? Hi, Vernuf, any chance of an argument as to how I'm a Nazi yet? You child.
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Post by cupcakes on Jul 14, 2017 12:05:31 GMT
tpfkar Cinemachinery said:Yeah, I suppose pointing out that a guy instigating a scene with a customer over a subject the customer was not interested in engaging in and then refusing the customer his order all the while ranting about Muslims is neither a "thought" nor simply criticizing Islam is just too tricky to work out when it's over there. And nowhere near as sublime as endlessly arguing with a paranoid drunk. Froma
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Post by Superdude6091 on Jul 14, 2017 12:13:27 GMT
tpfkar Cinemachinery said:Yeah, I suppose pointing out that a guy instigating a scene with a customer over a subject the customer was not interested in engaging in and then refusing the customer his order all the while ranting about Muslims is neither a "thought" nor simply criticizing Islam is just too tricky to work out when it's over there. And nowhere near as sublime as endlessly arguing with a paranoid drunk. FromaStop repeating this bullshit Rabbit. None of what you describe was illegal and he wasn't prosecuted for refusing service or instigating a scene. He was prosecuted specifically for being critical of Islam that's a fact,he was essentially prosecuted because the other individual found his views offensive. If that's not an attack on the right to voice an opinion I don't know what is.
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Post by cupcakes on Jul 14, 2017 12:13:34 GMT
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Post by cupcakes on Jul 14, 2017 12:17:33 GMT
tpfkar Superdude6091 said:Eat your own bullsh!t, amack-axios-superjabber. On the contrary it was illegal, speaking of your easy sludge. I don't give a flying crap what you decide it "essentially" is nor the things that you don't know what are. By your behavior on this board it's already clear that you think attacks are simply displays of opinion. I'm for internment without trial of any Muslim who is deemed a threat to the safety and security of the UK.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jul 14, 2017 12:18:56 GMT
This is sort of why I don't engage the "Let us Uk folks tell ya about your US race situation" threads too much. Not a whole lot of point there most of the time. I'm not talking anywhere about the race situation in the US.
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Post by cupcakes on Jul 14, 2017 12:22:05 GMT
tpfkar Superdude6091 said:Don't remember it, amack-axios-superrager. Maybe pull up a link. I'm for internment without trial of any Muslim who is deemed a threat to the safety and security of the UK.
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Post by Superdude6091 on Jul 14, 2017 12:25:40 GMT
tpfkar Superdude6091 said:Eat your own bullsh!t, amack-axios-superjabber. On the contrary it was illegal, speaking of your easy sludge. I don't give a flying crap what you decide it "essentially" is nor the things that you don't know what are. By your behavior on this board it's already clear that you think attacks are simply displays of opinion. I'm for internment without trial of any Muslim who is deemed a threat to the safety and security of the UK.Hey dipshit. It remains a fact that he wasn't prosecuted for refusing to serve a customer after previously taking his order nor was he prosecuted for offering his unsolicited opinion to an unreceptive audience. He was prosecuted and ultimately convicted because the individual and the British judiciary find his views about Islam offence. He was convicted for holding an unpalatable opinion,if that's not a direct attack on free speech then I don't what is.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jul 14, 2017 12:31:48 GMT
tpfkar Superdude6091 said:Eat your own bullsh!t, amack-axios-superjabber. On the contrary it was illegal, speaking of your easy sludge. I don't give a flying crap what you decide it "essentially" is nor the things that you don't know what are. By your behavior on this board it's already clear that you think attacks are simply displays of opinion. I'm for internment without trial of any Muslim who is deemed a threat to the safety and security of the UK.Hey dipshit. It remains a fact that he wasn't prosecuted for refusing to serve a customer after previously taking his order nor was he prosecuted for offering his unsolicited opinion to an unreceptive audience. He was prosecuted and ultimately convicted because the individual and the British judiciary find his views about Islam offence. He was convicted for holding an unpalatable opinion,if that's not a direct attack on free speech then I don't what is. I put Rabbit on ignore a while, although the poor desperate lamb is still following me around, begging for attention.
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Post by cupcakes on Jul 14, 2017 12:34:52 GMT
tpfkar Superdude6091 said:And yet you have something more to say on it frequently; sometimes after self-deleting, sometime not. I have personal experience with your inane barked bullsh!t and straight-up lying. In this thread I haven't argued about the law, I've argued about an incident and it's meaning and the inept usage by the juvenile graceless demagogues. And I'm not at all concerned about your uproarious yapping about ad hominems, coming from you. I can only guess it stems from some type of derangement. I adjust my engagements based on the tone and behavior of whom I engage at whatever time they are engaging. I mostly just find you sad in an ErJenny way. bullsh!t on repeat
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Post by cupcakes on Jul 14, 2017 12:35:57 GMT
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Post by thorshairspray on Jul 14, 2017 17:56:41 GMT
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