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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 2:40:16 GMT
Seems to have a fairly poor reaction on here so far
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Post by brownstones on Jul 16, 2017 3:56:43 GMT
It features THE most stupid action by a character in the entirety of film history, but aside from that it was decent. Please elaborate? I liked it, although I feel like it could have waited for pay-per-view. I think there are three possibilities: 1. The guard entering the apes' cage 2. The colonel picking up the doll 3. The colonel not killing Caesar
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Post by brownstones on Jul 16, 2017 3:58:25 GMT
Seems to have a fairly poor reaction on here so far ikr?
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Jul 16, 2017 4:05:37 GMT
It features THE most stupid action by a character in the entirety of film history, but aside from that it was decent. Please elaborate? I liked it, although I feel like it could have waited for pay-per-view. I am referring to the scene where the guard goes inside the enclosure full of hostile apes with no backup in order to do something (punish one of the apes for flinging shit at him) that he could have perfectly well done safely from outside the enclosure.
The apes' plan was ludicrous and just horrible writing. Fling shit at the armed guard and hope that instead of just shooting one or two of them in retribution, he would be stupid enough to open the door and come inside.
I mean, it's not a crucial scene or anything, but it was lousy writing all the same.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 4:16:21 GMT
Please elaborate? I liked it, although I feel like it could have waited for pay-per-view. I am referring to the scene where the guard goes inside the enclosure full of hostile apes with no backup in order to do something (punish one of the apes for flinging shit at him) that he could have perfectly well done safely from outside the enclosure.
The apes' plan was ludicrous and just horrible writing. Fling shit at the armed guard and hope that instead of just shooting one or two of them in retribution, he would be stupid enough to open the door and come inside.
I mean, it's not a crucial scene or anything, but it was lousy writing all the same. Yeah, I can see how that might have been a bit of a deus ex machina. Still, it was a competent enough film for me. I really enjoyed the character of Ceasar. The original film is such a scifi classic. I think part of the problem now is that we have too much in the way of special FX to rely on for film hype. I'm guilty of perpetuating this, because I love a good special FX, but the plot needs to be there as well. The original is really a bit of a think piece. The prequel trilogy is fun, but does not evoke any deeper message. They aren't classics like the original film.
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Post by darkpast on Jul 16, 2017 6:01:15 GMT
Nova a blonde now?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 10:50:50 GMT
I really dug this. Even though the humans were dumber than shit in this lol, it was an enjoyable film from start to finish.
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Post by tastytomatoes on Jul 16, 2017 10:52:25 GMT
All I see are rave reviews in a facebook movie group. "best of the trilogy", "masterpiece"...
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Jul 16, 2017 11:11:09 GMT
All I see are rave reviews in a facebook movie group. "best of the trilogy", "masterpiece"... And quite rightly so - it's an excellent film, and more than fitting conclusion to the trilogy. When reading some of the comments on here re the pacing / lack of action it's well worth bearing that in mind - i.e. this is the THIRD film in a series. You'd quite rightly laugh square in the face of someone who went to see "Rocky III" then complained "meh, it was ok but it had a little too much boxing in it for my tastes"...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 11:31:19 GMT
All I see are rave reviews in a facebook movie group. "best of the trilogy", "masterpiece"... And quite rightly so - it's an excellent film, and more than fitting conclusion to the trilogy. When reading some of the comments on here re the pacing / lack of action it's well worth bearing that in mind - i.e. this is the THIRD film in a series. You'd quite rightly laugh square in the face of someone who went to see "Rocky III" then complained "meh, it was ok but it had a little too much boxing in it for my tastes"... BS. There was something very wrong with the pacing. Great start but it slowed down into nothing. I get why all the scenes are there but they should have mixed it up more. It picks up at the end and that ending is very good. I wouldnt call this film excellent. Mediocre at best.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 14:39:02 GMT
All I see are rave reviews in a facebook movie group. "best of the trilogy", "masterpiece"... I liked it better than II, but not as much as I. I don't think it's one of those films that has to be seen on the big screen unless you are really into special FX. The CGI is amazing. I felt like I was watching real apes. I think maybe the plot doesn't feel epic enough for the final film in a trilogy that is supposed to lead us into the original? Still, it does a good enough job explaining how the plot of the 1968 original came to be. It's worth a watch for sure, IMHO.
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Post by brownstones on Jul 16, 2017 15:09:29 GMT
All I see are rave reviews in a facebook movie group. "best of the trilogy", "masterpiece"... I liked it better than II, but not as much as I. I don't think it's one of those films that has to be seen on the big screen unless you are really into special FX. The CGI is amazing. I felt like I was watching real apes. I think maybe the plot doesn't feel epic enough for the final film in a trilogy that is supposed to lead us into the original? Still, it does a good enough job explaining how the plot of the 1968 original came to be. It's worth a watch for sure, IMHO. well I don't think it's leading directly to the original film, since that film series explained itself.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 15:13:02 GMT
I liked it better than II, but not as much as I. I don't think it's one of those films that has to be seen on the big screen unless you are really into special FX. The CGI is amazing. I felt like I was watching real apes. I think maybe the plot doesn't feel epic enough for the final film in a trilogy that is supposed to lead us into the original? Still, it does a good enough job explaining how the plot of the 1968 original came to be. It's worth a watch for sure, IMHO. well I don't think it's leading directly to the original film, since that film series explained itself. The virus explains why human beings are deaf and dumb in the 1968 original. The part that confuses me is that the 1968 film is supposed to be 2000 years in the future, right? So how could Nova and Cornelius still be alive?
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Post by brownstones on Jul 16, 2017 15:29:17 GMT
well I don't think it's leading directly to the original film, since that film series explained itself. The virus explains why human beings are deaf and dumb in the 1968 original. The part that confuses me is that the 1968 film is supposed to be 2000 years in the future, right? So how could Nova and Cornelius still be alive? they're not connected I believe. the first series began with Cornelius with his wife (can't remember her name) who went back in time to give birth to Caesar which in theory created the timeline to the original series or deviated from it because the final film "Battle for the Planet of the Apes" ends on a positive note (with an attempt for humans and apes to coexist), but all could have gone to crap later with human enslavement.....since it there is still a thousand or so years between Battle and the original. edit: with the original film it seemed that apes did not teach humans to speak, and also lobotomized them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 15:40:01 GMT
The virus explains why human beings are deaf and dumb in the 1968 original. The part that confuses me is that the 1968 film is supposed to be 2000 years in the future, right? So how could Nova and Cornelius still be alive? they're not connected I believe. the first series began with Cornelius with his wife (can't remember her name) who went back in time to give birth to Caesar which in theory created the timeline to the original series or deviated from it because the final film "Battle for the Planet of the Apes" ends on a positive note (with an attempt for humans and apes to coexist), but all could have gone to crap later with human enslavement.....since it there is still a thousand or so years between Battle and the original. edit: with the original film it seemed that apes did not teach humans to speak, and also lobotomized them. I feel like the prequel trilogy disregards the sequels the original.
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Post by brownstones on Jul 16, 2017 15:48:18 GMT
they're not connected I believe. the first series began with Cornelius with his wife (can't remember her name) who went back in time to give birth to Caesar which in theory created the timeline to the original series or deviated from it because the final film "Battle for the Planet of the Apes" ends on a positive note (with an attempt for humans and apes to coexist), but all could have gone to crap later with human enslavement.....since it there is still a thousand or so years between Battle and the original. edit: with the original film it seemed that apes did not teach humans to speak, and also lobotomized them. I feel like the prequel trilogy disregards the sequels the original. see, I personally disagree with that and see that and believe these exist as a parallel entity.
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Jul 16, 2017 16:29:06 GMT
There's no connection yet between the new films and the classic series.
In Rise the mentioned Icarus spacecraft was lost on a Mars mission - no connection to the Taylor's original mission which was a known to them, and discussed in the film, as a one way ride through space and time.
Mind you - that mission doesn't fit in with Beneath either, as that involved a "rescue" mission which made absolutely no sense...
The history recalled in Escape doesn't tie in with that discussed in Beneath either(!) so the only classic films definitely only the same continuity are Escape, Conquest & Battle...
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Post by brownstones on Jul 16, 2017 17:20:15 GMT
There's no connection yet between the new films and the classic series. In Rise the mentioned Icarus spacecraft was lost on a Mars mission - no connection to the Taylor's original mission which was a known to them, and discussed in the film, as a one way ride through space and time. Mind you - that mission doesn't fit in with Beneath either, as that involved a "rescue" mission which made absolutely no sense... The history recalled in Escape doesn't tie in with that discussed in Beneath either(!) so the only classic films definitely only the same continuity are Escape, Conquest & Battle... haven't seen the series in a while, but how does Escape not properly tie in with 1 and 2? because in Escape they travel back in time, and even by the last film we have like 1500 years before the original film begins, so there is quite a gap for things to go sour....despite ending on a positive note.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 17:20:48 GMT
I feel like the prequel trilogy disregards the sequels the original. see, I personally disagree with that and see that and believe these exist as a parallel entity. Like a different universe? I'm okay with re-imagined stories taken from original source material. I feel like this triology is a nice edition to the franchise regardless of how it fits in. I'd be curious to see a remake of the 1968 original using today's technologies.
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Post by brownstones on Jul 16, 2017 17:31:29 GMT
see, I personally disagree with that and see that and believe these exist as a parallel entity. Like a different universe? I'm okay with re-imagined stories taken from original source material. I feel like this triology is a nice edition to the franchise regardless of how it fits in. I'd be curious to see a remake of the 1968 original using today's technologies. but the original series was like 5 films long and concluded. this series takes elements of the last three (last two for the most part) and builds from there. furthermore the original film was like 2000 years into the future, so if this series actually continued into that one.......everyone like Cornelius and Nova would be dead. well a remake of the original would be interesting, but I guess that would mean the apes would have to evolve in a quicker time span in order to keep Cornelius relevant to the plot, and we'd have to make the jump for Apes to decide to enslave humans leading to Taylor being the first intelligent human to challenge them.
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