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Post by janntosh on Jul 17, 2017 15:50:55 GMT
Both films stand as divisive entries in their respective film series but which one do you consider to be better?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 17, 2017 15:53:25 GMT
Returns, easily. It's weird but it isn't that much of a departure from the previous entry. TDKR is a nonsensical train wreck that shits on the previous films in the series. The movie makes no sense at all and feels completely rushed and half assed from top to bottom.
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Post by darkknightofgotham on Jul 17, 2017 16:44:24 GMT
TDKR.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jul 17, 2017 17:50:36 GMT
TDKR. For me, it's not even close.
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Post by Dayodead on Jul 17, 2017 18:05:07 GMT
Returns...Rises is a bit underwhelming...
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Post by someguy on Jul 17, 2017 18:06:16 GMT
The Dark Knight Rises.
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Jul 17, 2017 19:01:20 GMT
Batman Returns - 10/10
Dark Knight Rises - 5/10
Returns is a much more entertaining and stylish film with a far better Catwoman. Returns wins for me. By far.
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Post by NewtJorden on Jul 17, 2017 19:38:00 GMT
Batman Returns, the second best Batman movie after Batman Begins.
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Post by Jerk on Jul 17, 2017 23:19:41 GMT
Batman Returns
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 23:28:28 GMT
TDKR. Returns is just a Tim Burton movie inconvenienced by the fact that it needed to include Batman....
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Post by judgejosephdredd on Jul 17, 2017 23:50:12 GMT
Not a fan of either film, but I can get behind the notion that Returns is the more visually compelling and enjoyable of the two. It is not an easy film to judge as it is so out-there, so absurd, so in-your-face, so dark, so twisted, so comedic, I just...Don't know what to make of it. It just tosses all screenwriting rules and visually consistency out the window its not easy to keep track of what it does wrong or right. As strange as this may sound, an early draft of it was even MORE crazy...
TDKR tries too hard to be epic and keeps hammering the notion that its Nolan's last Batman movie any time it gets the chance too, it has a lot going on but feels too slow that it kind splits each subplot into its own movie, feeling less like one giant narrative. The action scenes are nothing to get excited about, and the choreography isn't very good either - Looking at Batman and Bane's 'epic' brawl in the sewers. So many better ways to stage it, but Nolan took the easy way out by having quick cuts and obvious sound effects. It is technically the better written and directed of the two Batman movies and feels more like a Batman movie than Returns does, but even so...It feels like a chore to watch a lot of the time, and that Nolan just wanted to wrap everything up as soon as he could because he wanted to be done with the franchise. With Returns, you can feel Burton's creativity expand and become almost limitless, even when the pay-off is off.
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Post by moviemouth on Jul 18, 2017 0:37:46 GMT
The Dark Knight Rises easily. It is messy but it has a lot on it's mind (too much in fact) and it is very well made and extremely intense with one of the most memorable villains of the past 20 years. The movie has many great themes such as class warfare, guilt and redemption and love and revenge etc. It's a very emotionally engaging movie.
The problem is that I think Nolan was in a bit of a hurry and was kind of sick of making Batman movies.
I like Batman Returns too though but it's just silly nonsense and one of the biggest examples of a director indulging himself.
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Post by rateater on Jul 18, 2017 0:41:33 GMT
89 and returns are far better than begins, knight and rises.
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Post by brownstones on Jul 18, 2017 1:03:17 GMT
Rises.
while I really hate the inclusion of Talia in the film......it doesn't compare to the anger I felt as a kid watching the penguin ride a toy car version of the batmobile, in his rubber duck, the CD scene (that's not how a CD works BRUCE), and the side stuff with Shrek and Penguin...........and I was a kid.
now I love the relationship between Bruce and Selina more in Returns, and as a kid I thought it was so tragic, but it wasn't enough to make the movie anything more than okay.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jul 18, 2017 2:05:10 GMT
TDKR
Returns is a f'ing headache.
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Post by salomonj on Jul 18, 2017 3:39:10 GMT
Batman Returns - 10/10 Dark Knight Rises - 5/10 Returns is a much more entertaining and stylish film with a far better Catwoman. Returns wins for me. By far. Did you like Nolan's first two entries? |
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Post by salomonj on Jul 18, 2017 3:39:37 GMT
I like TDKR more. It's not as good as TDK, no. But it's still very good.
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Jul 18, 2017 4:51:01 GMT
Batman Returns - 10/10 Dark Knight Rises - 5/10 Returns is a much more entertaining and stylish film with a far better Catwoman. Returns wins for me. By far. Did you like Nolan's first two entries? Yes and no. Begins - 5/10 The Dark Knight - 9/10 Begins I liked when I first saw it but It didnt really last over time. I got bored with it fast. Dark Knight on the other hand is fantastic. Mainly due to Heath Ledger. I always hated the ending though. Thats why its not a 10. |
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Jul 18, 2017 14:16:38 GMT
Batman Returns easily.
TDKR was a big, bloated turd of a movie. And oh the horror, to a lesser extent so was its predecessor.
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Post by charzhino on Jul 18, 2017 14:20:04 GMT
Love both, more so than their predecessors. Can't choose between them tbh.
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