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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 2:15:32 GMT
The movie is in free-fall. It'll be lucky to still be in theaters by the end of the month! Yikes.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jul 18, 2017 2:17:25 GMT
The movie is in free-fall. It'll be lucky to still be in theaters by the end of the month! Yikes. What if it makes less than one (or worse, both) of the Garfield flicks?!
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Post by poelzig on Jul 18, 2017 2:32:28 GMT
This is indeed very bad news for the MCU. When you consider the addition of Iron Man and the shameless pandering to white kids that like to think of themselves as "enlightened" the box office should have held steady but it plummeted instead. I wonder what caused this historic failure? Were people turned off by the high school melodrama? Was it the blatant attempt to shoehorn swarthy folks into the movie simply because they are swarthy which backfired since most of us swarthy people see right through that nonsense? Are people just bored with yet another Spidey reboot? Were all the hyperbolic reviews as biased as I pointed out and the movie is mediocre at best? A mixture of all these or something I didn't mention? What do y'all think?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 2:56:47 GMT
The movie is in free-fall. It'll be lucky to still be in theaters by the end of the month! Yikes. What if it makes less than one (or worse, both) of the Garfield flicks?! I guess people are getting tired of the MCU's kiddie schlock.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 3:02:48 GMT
This is indeed very bad news for the MCU. When you consider the addition of Iron Man and the shameless pandering to white kids that like to think of themselves as "enlightened" the box office should have held steady but it plummeted instead. I wonder what caused this historic failure? Were people turned off by the high school melodrama? Was it the blatant attempt to shoehorn swarthy folks into the movie simply because they are swarthy which backfired since most of us swarthy people see right through that nonsense? Are people just bored with yet another Spidey reboot? Were all the hyperbolic reviews as biased as I pointed out and the movie is mediocre at best? A mixture of all these or something I didn't mention? What do y'all think? Homecoming followed in the footsteps of the failing Marvel Comics by pandering to the ever-dwindling SJW crowd. Hardworking taxpayers who pay to see these movies don't wanna be preached at by some left-wing comic book company.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jul 18, 2017 3:09:20 GMT
This is indeed very bad news for the MCU. When you consider the addition of Iron Man and the shameless pandering to white kids that like to think of themselves as "enlightened" the box office should have held steady but it plummeted instead. I wonder what caused this historic failure? Were people turned off by the high school melodrama? Was it the blatant attempt to shoehorn swarthy folks into the movie simply because they are swarthy which backfired since most of us swarthy people see right through that nonsense? Are people just bored with yet another Spidey reboot? Were all the hyperbolic reviews as biased as I pointed out and the movie is mediocre at best? A mixture of all these or something I didn't mention? What do y'all think? Homecoming followed in the footsteps of the failing Marvel Comics by pandering to the ever-dwindling SJW crowd. Hardworking taxpayers who pay to see these movies don't wanna be preached at by some left-wing comic book company. You don't wanna read about the wacky adventures of Spider-Man and Barry O?!
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Post by barkingbaphomet on Jul 18, 2017 3:10:23 GMT
The movie is in free-fall. It'll be lucky to still be in theaters by the end of the month! Yikes. What if it makes less than one (or worse, both) of the Garfield flicks?! calling it now: Homecoming will make less than both of the Garfield movies put together.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jul 18, 2017 3:11:05 GMT
What if it makes less than one (or worse, both) of the Garfield flicks?! calling it now: Homecoming will make less than both of the Garfield movies put together. Yo, that's prolly true. Pathetic!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 3:46:24 GMT
But WFTPOTA was highly anticipated and would have hurt SM:H. But films with an appeal to children have a longer cinema life. Spider-Man: Homecoming will make a large sum yet even if it's not as high as WW's.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 18, 2017 6:54:38 GMT
This is indeed very bad news for the MCU. When you consider the addition of Iron Man and the shameless pandering to white kids that like to think of themselves as "enlightened" the box office should have held steady but it plummeted instead. I wonder what caused this historic failure? Were people turned off by the high school melodrama? Was it the blatant attempt to shoehorn swarthy folks into the movie simply because they are swarthy which backfired since most of us swarthy people see right through that nonsense? Are people just bored with yet another Spidey reboot? Were all the hyperbolic reviews as biased as I pointed out and the movie is mediocre at best? A mixture of all these or something I didn't mention? What do y'all think? MCU fans have been using the "strong competition" excuse, but that's a BS excuse. 1st, the competition wasn't really that strong. War for the Planet of the Apes actually performed lower than what it was projected to and lower than the opening weekend for Dawn of the Planet of the Apes 3 years ago. 2nd, Wonder Woman had competition from Tom Cruise and The Mummy in Week 2 and still remained #1 at the box office. Not a single week of Wonder Woman's 7 weekends has seen a decline of over 43%, which is rare for a superhero movie. Nothing that has been thrown at Wonder Woman has managed to make a huge dent on its box office: not Tom Cruise, not the Transformers, not Pixar, not Despicable Me, not Pirates of the Caribbean, not even MCU's version of Spider-Man. SMH, due to its being direct competition for the same type of fans, was expected to lead to Wonder Woman's 1st big drop, and yet Wonder Woman only dropped 37%. Even losing theatres has not made Wonder Woman drop big. So what has caused this huge drop by SMH? 1st, SMH's opening weekend was deceptively high due to MCU fans who will flock to see any MCU movie on opening weekend no matter how bad the moive is. But the word-of-mouth quickly spread that SMH is just another over-hyped and over-rated MCU movie and that's a big part of the reason why SMH had such a huge 2nd-weekend drop. 2nd, like all MCU movies, SMH is just over-rated by critics. Now MCU fans will claim that the great reviews for Wonder Woman prove that there is no critic bias in favor of MCU, but that's not true. MCU movies have always had a very low standard. That's why even shitty movies like The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 3, Thor: The Dark World, Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, and now SMH can get fresh ratings. All they have to do is put a "Marvel Studios" logo screen at the beginning and have 1 or more post-credit scenes that have nothing to do with the movie and the critics will automatically give them a fresh rating. If MCU took the Howard the Duck movie from 1986 and didn't change anything except added a "Marvel Studios" logo screen at the beginning and a post-credit scene that had nothing to do with the movie, critics would give it a fresh rating and say that Howard the Duck is the greatest CBM ever made. By contrast, DCEU movies have always had a very high standard. The fact that Wonder Woman is rated higher than almost all MCU movies is a testament to how great a movie Wonder Woman is that it's able to surpass the very high standards that DECU movies have to reach to get a fresh rating. 3rd, people are bored not with yet another reboot but with another superhero-in-high-school movie. While DC was willing to take a risk and give viewers the 1st female-led superhero movie in 12 years, that same 12-year period has now had 6 superhero-in-high-school movies ( Sky High, Kick Ass, Kick Ass 2, Max Steel, Power Rangers, and SMH). MCU thought they were giving viewers something original with a superhero-in-high-school movie, but it's been done many times over the past 12 years so there's nothing original about SMH.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 18, 2017 6:55:46 GMT
What if it makes less than one (or worse, both) of the Garfield flicks?! I guess people are getting tired of the MCU's kiddie schlock. MCU fans have been using the "strong competition" excuse, but that's a BS excuse. 1st, the competition wasn't really that strong. War for the Planet of the Apes actually performed lower than what it was projected to and lower than the opening weekend for Dawn of the Planet of the Apes 3 years ago. 2nd, Wonder Woman had competition from Tom Cruise and The Mummy in Week 2 and still remained #1 at the box office. Not a single week of Wonder Woman's 7 weekends has seen a decline of over 43%, which is rare for a superhero movie. Nothing that has been thrown at Wonder Woman has managed to make a huge dent on its box office: not Tom Cruise, not the Transformers, not Pixar, not Despicable Me, not Pirates of the Caribbean, not even MCU's version of Spider-Man. SMH, due to its being direct competition for the same type of fans, was expected to lead to Wonder Woman's 1st big drop, and yet Wonder Woman only dropped 37%. Even losing theatres has not made Wonder Woman drop big. So what has caused this huge drop by SMH? 1st, SMH's opening weekend was deceptively high due to MCU fans who will flock to see any MCU movie on opening weekend no matter how bad the moive is. But the word-of-mouth quickly spread that SMH is just another over-hyped and over-rated MCU movie and that's a big part of the reason why SMH had such a huge 2nd-weekend drop. 2nd, like all MCU movies, SMH is just over-rated by critics. Now MCU fans will claim that the great reviews for Wonder Woman prove that there is no critic bias in favor of MCU, but that's not true. MCU movies have always had a very low standard. That's why even shitty movies like The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 3, Thor: The Dark World, Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, and now SMH can get fresh ratings. All they have to do is put a "Marvel Studios" logo screen at the beginning and have 1 or more post-credit scenes that have nothing to do with the movie and the critics will automatically give them a fresh rating. If MCU took the Howard the Duck movie from 1986 and didn't change anything except added a "Marvel Studios" logo screen at the beginning and a post-credit scene that had nothing to do with the movie, critics would give it a fresh rating and say that Howard the Duck is the greatest CBM ever made. By contrast, DCEU movies have always had a very high standard. The fact that Wonder Woman is rated higher than almost all MCU movies is a testament to how great a movie Wonder Woman is that it's able to surpass the very high standards that DECU movies have to reach to get a fresh rating. 3rd, people are bored not with yet another reboot but with another superhero-in-high-school movie. While DC was willing to take a risk and give viewers the 1st female-led superhero movie in 12 years, that same 12-year period has now had 6 superhero-in-high-school movies ( Sky High, Kick Ass, Kick Ass 2, Max Steel, Power Rangers, and SMH). MCU thought they were giving viewers something original with a superhero-in-high-school movie, but it's been done many times over the past 12 years so there's nothing original about SMH.
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Post by sostie on Jul 18, 2017 8:43:01 GMT
This is indeed very bad news for the MCU. When you consider the addition of Iron Man and the shameless pandering to white kids that like to think of themselves as "enlightened" the box office should have held steady but it plummeted instead. I wonder what caused this historic failure? Were people turned off by the high school melodrama? Was it the blatant attempt to shoehorn swarthy folks into the movie simply because they are swarthy which backfired since most of us swarthy people see right through that nonsense? Are people just bored with yet another Spidey reboot? Were all the hyperbolic reviews as biased as I pointed out and the movie is mediocre at best? A mixture of all these or something I didn't mention? What do y'all think? MCU fans have been using the "strong competition" excuse, but that's a BS excuse. You have continuously claimed that SMH would drop because of competition from POTA and Dunkirk. Have your posts been BS? You just said the "strong competition" excuse is a BS one. Celebrating a rise against strong compettion is as much BS, blaming a decline. Except most of that "competition" underperformed, and not because of Wonder Woman, but because of very poor reviews. You have this weird idea that there is this dedicated tribe of MCU fans that flock in their millions to see their films. So what kind of person is an MCU fan. Someone who will go and see every Marvel film religiously because its Marvel? Or someone who just goes to see a film that is Marvel because they hope to be entertained? Maybe they have big weekend openings because "regular" cinema goers have enjoyed Marvel films in the past and went out in numbers because they expect to be entertained again. I'm guessing you are lumping everyone that goes and sees a Marvel film in its first week a MCU fan. Didn't you go and see SMH in the first week? Conspiracy theory paranoia...excellent Is that why Wonder Woman got so highly rated....because the DCEU films had set an even lower standard? Why do you bother with these very poor attempts at humour. Not blaming the fact that it's a reboot, or that there have been so many Spider-Man films over so many years for it's failure! That's generous of you. Though I think it has more to to with avoiding the counter that Batman has been rebooted as many times. Yeah audiences must really be fatigued by the sub sub genre of superhero-in-high-school movie. Those 5 other massive movies over a 12 year period must have really taken a toll on the audience.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 18, 2017 19:19:36 GMT
They won't admit it, obviously....mainly because it's so obvious why they went easy on it. So basically you're admitting you're wrong. Cool! That was easy enough. No critic will own up to the truth and say "Well, if this wasn't Jackman's last outing I wouldn't be so generous". They enjoy keeping their jobs so they have to bow to movie politics.
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Post by CowherPowerForever on Jul 18, 2017 22:41:05 GMT
worldwide im referring to , my bet is still on SMH beating it when its released in china and japan, pass the salt When you have two films that make in the area of 800 to 900 million worldwide, and about 400 million of that comes domestically, the overseas numbers aren't as meaningful because of how much more studios get here domestically. WB and Disney will take more profit here domestically than overseas even though both movies made more money overseas. And where will Wonder Woman stop domestically? It should play strong throughout the month of August, so, around 420 million is possible.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 22:53:57 GMT
So basically you're admitting you're wrong. Cool! That was easy enough. No critic will own up to the truth and say "Well, if this wasn't Jackman's last outing I wouldn't be so generous". They enjoy keeping their jobs so they have to bow to movie politics. What's your source on this? A tinfoil hat?
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 18, 2017 23:09:20 GMT
No critic will own up to the truth and say "Well, if this wasn't Jackman's last outing I wouldn't be so generous". They enjoy keeping their jobs so they have to bow to movie politics. What's your source on this? A tinfoil hat? Critics went easy on Dark Knight because Heath Ledger died. Same logic applied to Logan, they went easy because it was Jackman's last time as the character and they killed Logan in the end.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 23:44:50 GMT
What's your source on this? A tinfoil hat? Critics went easy on Dark Knight because Heath Ledger died. Same logic applied to Logan, they went easy because it was Jackman's last time as the character and they killed Logan in the end. What's your source on this? A tinfoil hat?
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 19, 2017 0:01:19 GMT
Critics went easy on Dark Knight because Heath Ledger died. Same logic applied to Logan, they went easy because it was Jackman's last time as the character and they killed Logan in the end. What's your source on this? A tinfoil hat? Seeing it happen enough times with other movies. Experience.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jul 19, 2017 1:40:02 GMT
What's your source on this? A tinfoil hat? Seeing it happen enough times with other movies. Experience. So basically: a (presumptive and biased) "hunch" that you can't substantiate in any way. You should drop this one and refocus on trolling the X-Men boards; you're coming off like a tool here.
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Post by brownstones on Jul 19, 2017 1:42:53 GMT
dennis, don't.
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