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Post by OldSamVimes on Jul 19, 2017 8:10:13 GMT
Here in Canada they're making it a law that you need to address people by their prefered pronoun or face consequences.
Any pronoun they choose, including made up imaginary words.
Do the people pushing for this speak for the LGBT community?
Anyway, I plan to have some fun with the new laws.
I am a Dolphin.
I will be expecting people to address me by my prefered pronoun in my native Dolphin language.
If they resist, I will expect the Human Rights Tribunal to stand up for my rights. I will not be discriminated against. If we're going to play the fun pronoun game I get to play too.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jul 19, 2017 12:50:51 GMT
Dolphin is not a pronoun. Now would you like to be referred to as a he or a she dolphin?
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Post by The Lost One on Jul 19, 2017 12:52:39 GMT
Here in Canada they're making it a law that you need to address people by their prefered pronoun or face consequences. Any pronoun they choose, including made up imaginary words. Do the people pushing for this speak for the LGBT community? Anyway, I plan to have some fun with the new laws. I am a Dolphin. I will be expecting people to address me by my prefered pronoun in my native Dolphin language. If they resist, I will expect the Human Rights Tribunal to stand up for my rights. I will not be discriminated against. If we're going to play the fun pronoun game I get to play too. The spirit of the law is clearly to protect trans people. The only people who are going to demand really weird pronouns are right-wingers trying to attack trans rights. |
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Post by OldSamVimes on Jul 19, 2017 13:20:14 GMT
Dolphin is not a pronoun. Now would you like to be referred to as a he or a she dolphin? A male dolphin is called 'bull'. Right now I'm a male dolphin, but tomorrow... who knows? |
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Post by OldSamVimes on Jul 19, 2017 13:22:37 GMT
Here in Canada they're making it a law that you need to address people by their prefered pronoun or face consequences. Any pronoun they choose, including made up imaginary words. Do the people pushing for this speak for the LGBT community? Anyway, I plan to have some fun with the new laws. I am a Dolphin. I will be expecting people to address me by my prefered pronoun in my native Dolphin language. If they resist, I will expect the Human Rights Tribunal to stand up for my rights. I will not be discriminated against. If we're going to play the fun pronoun game I get to play too. The spirit of the law is clearly to protect trans people. The only people who are going to demand really weird pronouns are right-wingers trying to attack trans rights. Actually, I hear many trans people don't think the pronoun issue is all that relevant. Most of them just want to be addressed by the other pronoun. All this stuff about over 20 pronouns is silly nonsense. Calling someone by their made up pronoun will not make their life any easier. If what pronoun someone uses when addressing you has that much impact on your mental state then you are destined to suffer unless you get some good therapy. |
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Post by The Lost One on Jul 19, 2017 13:33:42 GMT
Actually, I hear many trans people don't think the pronoun issue is all that relevant. Most of them just want to be addressed by the other pronoun. Sure but this law will make sure they do get to be called by that other pronoun. As you say, how many will actually want to be called anything other than "he", "she" or "they"? But if there are a very few who would prefer something else then fair enough. |
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Post by OldSamVimes on Jul 19, 2017 13:38:10 GMT
Actually, I hear many trans people don't think the pronoun issue is all that relevant. Most of them just want to be addressed by the other pronoun. Sure but this law will make sure they do get to be called by that other pronoun. As you say, how many will actually want to be called anything other than "he", "she" or "they"? But if there are a very few who would prefer something else then fair enough. The law compelling people to use made up words is stupid, so I will draw attention to how stupid that law is by expecting people to use my pronoun. If someone doesn't use my pronoun, I will say it hurts my feelings. Who is anyone to doubt my statement? If I say my feelings are hurt THAT'S ALL I NEED TO PROVE MY CASE. |
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Post by The Lost One on Jul 19, 2017 14:22:26 GMT
Sure but this law will make sure they do get to be called by that other pronoun. As you say, how many will actually want to be called anything other than "he", "she" or "they"? But if there are a very few who would prefer something else then fair enough. The law compelling people to use made up words is stupid, so I will draw attention to how stupid that law is by expecting people to use my pronoun. If someone doesn't use my pronoun, I will say it hurts my feelings. Who is anyone to doubt my statement? If I say my feelings are hurt THAT'S ALL I NEED TO PROVE MY CASE. What good will that do though? The law is to stop people getting away with deliberately calling people by pronouns they hate as a form of abuse (eg repeatedly calling a transwoman "he"). Sure as a side-effect there's a loophole that means if someone wants you to only use the pronoun "sphworcle" when referring to him/her/sphworcle you have to do it but are you really likely to bump into that except when it's people like you taking the piss? It seems undermining the law by drawing attention to this unintended and essentially harmless loophole would do more harm than good. |
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Post by OldSamVimes on Jul 19, 2017 14:47:06 GMT
The law compelling people to use made up words is stupid, so I will draw attention to how stupid that law is by expecting people to use my pronoun. If someone doesn't use my pronoun, I will say it hurts my feelings. Who is anyone to doubt my statement? If I say my feelings are hurt THAT'S ALL I NEED TO PROVE MY CASE. What good will that do though? The law is to stop people getting away with deliberately calling people by pronouns they hate as a form of abuse (eg repeatedly calling a transwoman "he"). Sure as a side-effect there's a loophole that means if someone wants you to only use the pronoun "sphworcle" when referring to him/her/sphworcle you have to do it but are you really likely to bump into that except when it's people like you taking the piss? It seems undermining the law by drawing attention to this unintended and essentially harmless loophole would do more harm than good. If people accept poorly written laws then those laws will never change. As it is, this law is a great way to go after someone who might not like me personally for reasons other than my gender or sexuality. All I have to do is prove they didn't respect whatever pronoun I choose, and say my feelings were hurt and I wasn't respected as a person. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 16:07:59 GMT
I have no problem with people using xe and xir for gender neutral (or whichever one wins out).
I think it actually fits better than they or them because that implies plural which would be hard to do with contracts ect.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jul 19, 2017 22:34:05 GMT
Dolphin is not a pronoun. Now would you like to be referred to as a he or a she dolphin? A male dolphin is called 'bull'. Right now I'm a male dolphin, but tomorrow... who knows? So you are full of bull then?  |
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Post by OldSamVimes on Jul 20, 2017 3:45:51 GMT
A male dolphin is called 'bull'. Right now I'm a male dolphin, but tomorrow... who knows? So you are full of bull then? Right up to the brim. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jul 20, 2017 7:10:18 GMT
So you are full of bull then? Right up to the brim. You have made some excellent valid points as always OldSam. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jul 20, 2017 8:37:15 GMT
Here in Canada they're making it a law that you need to address people by their prefered pronoun or face consequences. Any pronoun they choose, including made up imaginary words. Do the people pushing for this speak for the LGBT community? Anyway, I plan to have some fun with the new laws. I am a Dolphin. I will be expecting people to address me by my prefered pronoun in my native Dolphin language. If they resist, I will expect the Human Rights Tribunal to stand up for my rights. I will not be discriminated against. If we're going to play the fun pronoun game I get to play too. . The only people who are going to demand really weird pronouns are right-wingers trying to attack trans rights. Protect them from what? Not being referred to as she, when someone refers to them as a he? Most people are respectful anyway and would do the right thing, and this is just another ruse and distraction for a very small minority of people who not many would encounter anyway. It is a joke!
Bringing out laws will not prevent discrimination or prejudice and does not change a darn thing. Do murder laws protect everyone from being killed? This is all about thought and mind control and telling people how they should think. There are more important issues than concerning ourselves about a trannies hurt feelings, for not being referred to as the pronoun they wish. And technically, a transgendered female is still biologically male and nothing will ever change that fact.
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Post by The Lost One on Jul 20, 2017 11:48:40 GMT
Do murder laws protect everyone from being killed? There would probably be a lot more murders without murder laws. Just because a law is not 100% effective, that doesn't mean it's not effective at all. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jul 20, 2017 12:33:51 GMT
Do murder laws protect everyone from being killed? There would probably be a lot more murders without murder laws. Just because a law is not 100% effective, that doesn't mean it's not effective at all. And we know this how?
The majority of people know how to act and behave and if someone is going to pre-mediate to kill somebody, I would say they would do it regardless, laws or not. As for this ridiculous Transgender pro-noun law, it is absurd and ineffective, even in inception. Pure nonsense!
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Post by The Lost One on Jul 20, 2017 14:38:09 GMT
The majority of people know how to act and behave and if someone is going to pre-mediate to kill somebody, I would say they would do it regardless, laws or not. You don't believe punishment is an effective deterrent then? |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jul 20, 2017 14:41:34 GMT
The majority of people know how to act and behave and if someone is going to pre-mediate to kill somebody, I would say they would do it regardless, laws or not. You don't believe punishment is an effective deterrent then? Not in an attempt to pander to a trannie's self-absorbtion over pro-nouns. |
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Post by TutuAnimationPrincess on Aug 1, 2017 22:06:22 GMT
I don't like any laws that dictate speech in any form. I don't care what people want to call themselves or have others call them, but that shouldn't be enforced by law.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Aug 1, 2017 23:30:55 GMT
Here in Canada they're making it a law that you need to address people by their prefered pronoun or face consequences. Any pronoun they choose, including made up imaginary words. Do the people pushing for this speak for the LGBT community? Anyway, I plan to have some fun with the new laws. I am a Dolphin. I will be expecting people to address me by my prefered pronoun in my native Dolphin language. If they resist, I will expect the Human Rights Tribunal to stand up for my rights. I will not be discriminated against. If we're going to play the fun pronoun game I get to play too. Dolphin is an interesting choice. Trudeau thinks he's the dauphin! |
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