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Post by alpha128 on Feb 26, 2017 4:09:53 GMT
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Post by Utpe on Feb 26, 2017 6:37:20 GMT
Is Windows 10 still freely available for Windows 7 owners? I upgraded in July of 2016 since I was afraid that I'd miss the boat.
A few weeks ago, my system was unknowingly upgraded to version 1607. The interface changed a bit, and the apps that I removed were put back thanks to Microsoft. Now, I'm hearing that they want to completely alter the way it looks.
They just can't leave well enough alone.
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Post by alpha128 on Feb 26, 2017 15:04:45 GMT
Is Windows 10 still freely available for Windows 7 owners? I upgraded in July of 2016 since I was afraid that I'd miss the boat. Officially the free offer to upgrade to Windows 10 expired on July 29, 2016. Unofficially, you can still upgrade for free if you're a user of assistive technologies, or if you say you are. It's unclear why this patch, and the Win 8.1 equivalent, is back, Woody Leonhard simply says, "Of course you should avoid them." Looks like KB 2952664 (for Win7) and KB 2976978 (Win 8.1) are back
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Post by artcurus on Feb 27, 2017 3:45:14 GMT
thank you, after months of hell with 10, I just reinstalled 7.
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Post by alpha128 on Feb 27, 2017 4:04:19 GMT
thank you, after months of hell with 10, I just reinstalled 7. You're welcome. Although the free upgrade offer has ended, and Microsoft claims that this new patch is unrelated to their old GWX (Get Windows 10) campaign, I nonetheless have left GWX Control Panel installed on my Windows 7 computer.
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Post by mslo79 on Feb 27, 2017 14:44:07 GMT
Is Windows 10 still freely available for Windows 7 owners? I upgraded in July of 2016 since I was afraid that I'd miss the boat. A few weeks ago, my system was unknowingly upgraded to version 1607. The interface changed a bit, and the apps that I removed were put back thanks to Microsoft. Now, I'm hearing that they want to completely alter the way it looks. They just can't leave well enough alone. I upgraded to 1607 as soon as it was released (i.e. Windows 10 Anniversary Update), which is build 14393, back in August (or borderline late July). it's just overall better than the previous releases with it's interface etc. also, if you have not noticed anything about the '1607' number is that 16 refers to 2016 and the 07 refers to July. so in other words... if the creators update is released in April 2017 it will likely be '1704'. as for if the Windows 10 free upgrade offer is still going... officially it was over when they said but the last i heard people could still get it using certain methods but i never tried it myself or looked into the details. the next update is the 'creators update' and i it's rumored to be released sometime in April. the next beyond that is Redstone which from a recent article i read it's supposedly expected in November and it appears that's pretty much the next bigger release with changes etc.
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Post by mslo79 on Feb 27, 2017 14:49:07 GMT
thank you, after months of hell with 10, I just reinstalled 7. i am curious... for those who updated to Windows 10 and have issues, did you ever check for driver updates that specifically support Windows 10? there is even free programs that can find drivers for you automatically like 'Driver Booster 4' etc. because i suspect those who are having bigger issues with Windows 10 might not have proper driver support for their computers (and it never hurts to properly install Windows 10 which is a clean installation (i.e. format/reinstall Windows 10 from scratch)). while i have had some issues since i first installed it back on Dec 1st 2015 i never had any show stopper issues and they worked them selves out etc. personally i would rather not go back to Windows 7. but i realize that a lot of people don't want to leave Windows 7 simply because everything just works but eventually Windows 7 is not going to be a option because Jan 2020 Microsoft stops supporting it which means not long after that time it won't be safe to use basically, which means you got less than 3 years left of safe Windows 7 use. p.s. another thing... for those who just installed Windows 10 and want to save time from downloading many updates through Windows update can save time by downloading the file here... www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=cumulative%20update%20windows%2010 ; basically the first or second link depending on whether you got 32bit or 64bit OS. that will pretty much give you all of the updates up to that point in time. can help save some time.
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Post by artcurus on Feb 27, 2017 15:49:22 GMT
thank you, after months of hell with 10, I just reinstalled 7. i am curious... for those who updated to Windows 10 and have issues, did you ever check for driver updates that specifically support Windows 10? there is even free programs that can find drivers for you automatically like 'Driver Booster 4' etc. because i suspect those who are having bigger issues with Windows 10 might not have proper driver support for their computers (and it never hurts to properly install Windows 10 which is a clean installation (i.e. format/reinstall Windows 10 from scratch)). while i have had some issues since i first installed it back on Dec 1st 2015 i never had any show stopper issues and they worked them selves out etc. personally i would rather not go back to Windows 7. but i realize that a lot of people don't want to leave Windows 7 simply because everything just works but eventually Windows 7 is not going to be a option because Jan 2020 Microsoft stops supporting it which means not long after that time it won't be safe to use basically, which means you got less than 3 years left of safe Windows 7 use. p.s. another thing... for those who just installed Windows 10 and want to save time from downloading many updates through Windows update can save time by downloading the file here... www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=cumulative%20update%20windows%2010 ; basically the first or second link depending on whether you got 32bit or 64bit OS. that will pretty much give you all of the updates up to that point in time. can help save some time. I did. But it did no good, it was constantly locking up and I was having to hard reset. I was also frustrated because I couldnt get ANY information about what was going on.
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Post by mslo79 on Feb 28, 2017 6:41:11 GMT
artcurus You tried a clean installation of Windows 10 and it was freezing? ; if not, that's the first thing i would try as this way there won't be any potential weird glitches like a upgrade can bring on etc. because in general... in the past, updates of OS's over another previous installed OS is not recommended. you can download Windows 10 ISO using Microsoft official utility here... www.microsoft.com/en-in/software-download/windows10 (click the 'download tool now' button) as that program will download the Windows 10 ISO file to your computer and you can either burn it to a recordable DVD disc OR use rufus.akeo.ie/ to create a bootable USB device using that ISO file you downloaded with the official Microsoft utility. basically that Rufus program will make it so your USB drive can boot Windows (you need to download the ISO using Microsoft utility though as that Rufus program needs it) as the official Microsoft tool don't seem to work for creating bootable USB drives but that Rufus program will (all free programs with no junk in them). p.s. for the record... when i upgraded to Windows 10 on Dec 1st 2015 i did a install over Windows 7 and mine was basically fine but in May 2016 (i think it was May) i had a power outage and it corrupted basically my entire Windows installation on my SSD drive and, in short, i had to wipe the drive out and reinstall Windows from scratch. that's the only time a simple power outage took out my entire Windows installation (i have been using computers since 1995 at home) as i must have got somewhat unlucky but then again the Samsung 850 EVO SSD drives (which are a popular good SSD drive) don't have any true power outage protection (basically the Samsung SSD's don't have capacitors which store a tiny bit of power to help prevent data corruption in a power outage) unlike some other drives which allow for data writing etc to finish just enough so data corruption is not supposed to occur on some drives that have this protection.
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Post by artcurus on Mar 2, 2017 3:17:38 GMT
artcurus You tried a clean installation of Windows 10 and it was freezing? ; if not, that's the first thing i would try as this way there won't be any potential weird glitches like a upgrade can bring on etc. because in general... in the past, updates of OS's over another previous installed OS is not recommended. you can download Windows 10 ISO using Microsoft official utility here... www.microsoft.com/en-in/software-download/windows10 (click the 'download tool now' button) as that program will download the Windows 10 ISO file to your computer and you can either burn it to a recordable DVD disc OR use rufus.akeo.ie/ to create a bootable USB device using that ISO file you downloaded with the official Microsoft utility. basically that Rufus program will make it so your USB drive can boot Windows (you need to download the ISO using Microsoft utility though as that Rufus program needs it) as the official Microsoft tool don't seem to work for creating bootable USB drives but that Rufus program will (all free programs with no junk in them). p.s. for the record... when i upgraded to Windows 10 on Dec 1st 2015 i did a install over Windows 7 and mine was basically fine but in May 2016 (i think it was May) i had a power outage and it corrupted basically my entire Windows installation on my SSD drive and, in short, i had to wipe the drive out and reinstall Windows from scratch. that's the only time a simple power outage took out my entire Windows installation (i have been using computers since 1995 at home) as i must have got somewhat unlucky but then again the Samsung 850 EVO SSD drives (which are a popular good SSD drive) don't have any true power outage protection (basically the Samsung SSD's don't have capacitors which store a tiny bit of power to help prevent data corruption in a power outage) unlike some other drives which allow for data writing etc to finish just enough so data corruption is not supposed to occur on some drives that have this protection. Yes, the whole thing was a clustereff to begin with. I wanted to go to a 2tb drive on this laptop. However no one told that Win7, which it orginally came with, would not see 2tb drive. It had to be divided (which I found later). I hired to a tech to try and get 7 on it, but he didn't listen. The drive was just a regular HD and it was a clean install. OMG, it damn near bricked this laptop (2011 model). Constant lockups, I never knew exactly what 10 was doing, and I couldn't get enough information to find out exactly what the problem was. Went back to 7 pro, it's been working without a hitch.
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Post by mslo79 on Mar 3, 2017 4:42:20 GMT
artcurusWindows 7 32bit using the typical MBR boot, which is the stuff people been using a long time, where as UEFI is a bit more modern (this is on my motherboard which i got May 2012) and works with booting with the GPT(which supports booting from hard drives over 2.2TB basically) although i still used MBR simply because the bootloader (Windows Loader v2.2.2 by Daz(if you use this be careful on where you get it from as some are loaded with BS which you don't want on your computer) i used to get Windows 7 for free required MBR to work(Windows 7 functions 100% normal using that since it )) should work fine with up to 2.2TB (i.e. 2TB or less should work to where your laptop can boot from them) according to this article from Microsoft... goo.gl/o0KTz0i just assumed you got Windows 7 32bit since it's the more handicapped version of Windows in general. with all of that said... just to look at it from another angle, lets just assume Windows 10 won't work on that laptop, then a Linux variation is probably going to be a solid choice for it once Jan 2020 passes since that's when Microsoft stops supporting Windows 7 and any security issues found after that won't be fixed. also, if you got some $$$ to spare putting in a SSD (like say $100, possibly a bit less (maybe $90 or so) if you find a decent deal for a 250GB+ range SSD. do not buy a SSD smaller than around 250GB as those 120GB drives simply don't offer enough storage space.) will give new life to that laptop since SSD's are significantly faster at loading things than typical hard drives as things load up very fast. but with that said... i hope that laptop has at least 4GB of RAM as that's pretty much the minimum for a computer to run well enough nowadays. but if you got 4GB of RAM i would definitely get a SSD drive for it. not only that since SSD's are more power efficient your laptop battery will last longer. but i suspect even if your laptop has 2GB of RAM the SSD will still help as even though Windows will use the swap file quite a bit more often since the swap file is located on the SSD things should still see a solid spike in speed since reading/writing to SSD is a lot faster than regular hard drive. Windows boots up quite a bit quicker to. but basically... you can take out the 2TB standard hard drive out of the laptop and use it as external storage through USB if you decide to go the SSD route in the future. but if your happy enough with your current laptop performance then you can ignore all of my comments on the SSD stuff here. also, installing Windows 10 should never brick a computer as you should still be able to boot from a CD/DVD (or possibly USB) to wipe the computer and start clean with whatever OS you want (assuming you already got the OS you want to install ready to boot from a DVD etc). but obviously, you don't have the bootable CD/DVD/USB with a OS on it and your laptop acts up and you got no other way to make one then you got a bit of a problem. p.s. i had 64bit Windows 7 (Pro) when i was using Windows 7 as i figure there is not much reason not to use 64bit on a typical PC nowadays as using 32bit just handicaps the computer in some areas like 4GB of RAM limit and i believe that's shared with video card memory to etc. with 64bit you ain't got any issues. side note: but about that bootloader for Windows 7... you simply get a hold of 'Windows 7 x64 Professional ISO' (i.e. one that's 100% unmodified(i.e. 100% genuine) so you can be certain the ISO don't have viruses etc etc in it(which can be verified by SHA1 hash info)) etc and then install it like normal and then after windows is installed run the activator program (i.e. Windows Loader v2.2.2) and it will activate your Windows 7 copy and then after that you can use windows and get updates like normal. i used that for years without a single issue. but... just make sure you run the program not long after Windows 7 is up and running as if it gets Windows Updates before you use that program to activate Windows 7 it will likely complain and try to block it claiming it's harmful or a virus etc(even though it's not (assuming you get it from a proper place)). it's only something you use once. but like i say you have to have a MBR setup on your hard drive as GPT won't work with that loader. but i am not worried about this anymore since i used that stuff to get Windows 7 on my computer and then upgraded to Windows 10 and with Windows 10, since Microsoft considers my system a legit registration i don't have to worry about anything else as i can clean install Windows 10 and it will automatically activate straight up.
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Post by Utpe on Mar 6, 2017 18:48:04 GMT
Is Windows 10 still freely available for Windows 7 owners? I upgraded in July of 2016 since I was afraid that I'd miss the boat. A few weeks ago, my system was unknowingly upgraded to version 1607. The interface changed a bit, and the apps that I removed were put back thanks to Microsoft. Now, I'm hearing that they want to completely alter the way it looks. They just can't leave well enough alone. I upgraded to 1607 as soon as it was released (i.e. Windows 10 Anniversary Update), which is build 14393, back in August (or borderline late July). it's just overall better than the previous releases with it's interface etc. also, if you have not noticed anything about the '1607' number is that 16 refers to 2016 and the 07 refers to July. so in other words... if the creators update is released in April 2017 it will likely be '1704'. as for if the Windows 10 free upgrade offer is still going... officially it was over when they said but the last i heard people could still get it using certain methods but i never tried it myself or looked into the details. the next update is the 'creators update' and i it's rumored to be released sometime in April. the next beyond that is Redstone which from a recent article i read it's supposedly expected in November and it appears that's pretty much the next bigger release with changes etc. Oh okay, thanks, I didn't know that. I'm not sure why it took so long to receive the Anniversary Edition update. I guess it must have something to do with deferring them in Windows 10 Pro. I am definitely not looking forward to anymore future editions. It seems like when they release a major update, everything that I disabled is turned back on. I don't need an OS with a bunch of useless features like Cortana. I've already had a tough time manually removing Edge since I don't like any browsers by Microsoft. It's too bad that they don't sell Windows 10 Long Term Servicing Branch (LTSB) in stores. That's pretty much a version without any of the apps and such. I like my desktop PC to be exactly that, just for home use.
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Post by mslo79 on Mar 7, 2017 1:59:06 GMT
Utpei would not even bother removing Edge as it's not really made to be removed as i figure just don't use it if you don't like it as it still can be nice to have for a backup browser in case anything acts up with your primary browser. but one thing i do in Edge is disable Flash (Settings > View Advanced Settings. the rest should be straight forward on that page) as i see Flash as a security risk and places like YouTube can use HTML5 for video playback. the sooner Flash dies the better for people in general as it's less things the shady people out there can use to compromises peoples computers. also, i don't really use Edge much as Pale Moon x64 (basically it appears to be the most popular Firefox variation/alternative) is my primary browser and has been for years now (but for the average person i would probably just tell them to go with Firefox (because it uses less RAM than Chrome is one of the bigger reasons i like it over Chrome) or Chrome as a alternative choice.). Yeah, i tend to agree with you on the whole apps thing as they just seem largely unnecessary given you can just use the web browser for things. apps seem more of a cell phone/tablet type of thing but for those of us who use a Desktop/Laptop i just use a web browser. Yeah, i don't use Cortana either as it does seem largely useless on a computer. but i guess for some people who have mics on their computers and like talking to it, like how people do with their cell phones, it can be alright i imagine. Yeah, i generally prefer a more minimal OS without any unnecessary junk in it. but Windows 10 is minimal enough and can use a bit of tweaking for some people it seems.
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