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Post by cupcakes on Jul 22, 2017 13:18:30 GMT
What's your basis for asserting that it tends to come from "xenophobia" or fear of the "unknown" instead of from seeing just how vulnerable and delicate they are first hand, both physically and mentally, supported by the opinions of the accepted professionals? And even if such hypothetical were true, how is it in any way superior to "support of legalizing sexual interaction between adults and prepubescents tends to come from pedophiles", or even "insisting that proposals legalizing sexual interaction between adults and prepubescents should be debated on no rational basis and not dismissed - tends to come from pedophiles" The xenophobia is in the desire to protect the vulnerable from the unknown that's perceived as potentially dangerous. We see that at work all the time in over-protective parents who try to protect their kids from anything and everything. As good examples from recent history, parents trying to protect their children from the "evil" influences of rock (or rap) music, or protect them from the influence of violent video games. Parents "feared" these things long before there was any research suggesting they were harmful at all. Even beyond kids you could see it at work in the fear-based propaganda against marijuana long before there was any research to suggest if it was harmful. Like I said earlier, when it comes to sex in general I think you still see a lot of Puritanical/Christian xenophobic attitude towards it, the notion that it's something innately sinful, dirty, harmful, etc. I can see it (in part) in how completely ignorant most adults are when it comes to facts about how sexual children are at all (many are shocked when/if they find out that children, even as young as 2, masturbate); and that ignorance seems to stem from this false notion of "innocent children" where "innocence" is tied in with sexuality (if children are innocent, they can't be sexual). The reason why I suspect it's more xenophobic-related than based on the "opinions of the accepted experts" is because I can almost guarantee you that no parent researches the opinions of accepted experts before deciding whether pedophilia is bad. Most people, in general, don't deeply question most social mores and ethical positions, and even fewer do so to the point that they consult research of experts' consensus. Ask yourself why so many people in Germany in WW2 didn't resist the Nazis; the simple answer is that people's instincts about morality is shaped far more by the influences of evolution and social mores than on any scientific or rational investigation of their legitimacy. If you're raised in an environment where Jews are considered inferior, then it's very easy to just blindly accept that without ever questioning it. I mean, did YOU do any research into what the experts thought about pedophilia before arguing in these threads? I know I didn't. 1) Do you have any respected mainstream source attributing aversion of the idea of adult/kid sexual relations to "xenophobia"? 2) Do you have any respected mainstream source apportioning protectiveness between "xenophobia", reason, and socialization via the culture, or in fact other reasons? 3) Aren't children who masturbate that young relatively rare, and associated with hormone level/levels outside of the norm? 4) Isn't the "innocence" of childhood tied to immaturity, naivete, inexperience, and enthusiasm as everything is new? And why would you consider a child with a hormone disorder not "innocent"? Or even a teenager masturbating more typically, relatively speaking? 5) Does anybody other than extremes freak out about masturbation any more, as the professional consensus promulgated over time has been that in moderation it is normal and not deleterious? 6) You have a hunches? 7) By what basis would a lay person question the expert consensus? 8) Why would you think the two options would be the highly unrealistic "question the experts" and guessed "xenophobia"? Why would "accepting he expert consensus" yield "xenophobia" instead of that's what we do, listen to actual experts and not to youtube videos and personal hunches? 9) A simple answer associated with Nazi Germany? 10) Are you saying that, absent tyrannical/dystopian systems the expert consensus should be challenged/researched by lay people unqualified to that endeavor? 11) Further, are you really making these assertions and insinuations concerning the expert consensus when you, yourself say that you haven't researched? How is this different than ErJen? Top of my head: Injury from sex involving underdeveloped sexual organs, and the associated infection, permanent damage, and/or early death. With injury or infection a risk of more complicated pregnancies later. Earlier risk of/exposure to STIs. Accidental pregnancy due to timing of physical development. The well known risks to both mother and offspring with early pregnancy. Did you really not know of the associated risks? |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Jul 22, 2017 13:24:52 GMT
Something went wrong technically. It appears that a post in the middle if a thread didn't post in the thread in question but instead posted as if it were a new thread. That's a weird glitch. I hope that when I click "Post Quick Reply" it doesn't start yet another thread.
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Post by cupcakes on Jul 23, 2017 11:44:14 GMT
Something went wrong technically. It appears that a post in the middle if a thread didn't post in the thread in question but instead posted as if it were a new thread. That's a weird glitch. I hope that when I click "Post Quick Reply" it doesn't start yet another thread. How bound do you think it is to that thread? And I thought you were the one who often says (among other things) he's gotta work on one thing at a time? |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 24, 2017 10:57:29 GMT
Cupcakes' fascination with the sexuality of the young is worrying.
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Post by cupcakes on Jul 24, 2017 11:03:59 GMT
Cupcakes' fascination with the sexuality of the young is worrying. I don't mind when people reveal their true selves and the baseline trustworthiess of their posts, FF.  |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 24, 2017 11:17:23 GMT
Cupcakes' fascination with the sexuality of the young is worrying. I don't mind when people reveal their true selves and the baseline trustworthiess of their posts, FF. Others, however, do mind - and find it at best distasteful. Moreover it usually has nothing to do with religion. |
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Post by cupcakes on Jul 24, 2017 11:21:43 GMT
I don't mind when people reveal their true selves and the baseline trustworthiess of their posts, FF. Others, however, do mind - and find it distasteful. Moreover it usually has nothing to do with religion. I didn't bring it up, I just follow it through to the end and along the way point out the blade-tactics and total lack of integrity of the wannabee browbeating bullies. You could answer to content, ignore it, or you can dive to the muck. This thread shows your choice. |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 24, 2017 11:24:09 GMT
Others, however, do mind - and find it distasteful. Moreover it usually has nothing to do with religion. I didn't bring it up, I just follow it through to the end and along the way point out the blade-tactics and total lack of integrity of the wannabee browbeating bullies. You could answer to content, ignore it, or you can dive to the muck. This thread shows your choice. I am ignoring it thanks, my contribution was a observation about you and not the subject. And now I leave you to dive back to your regular obsession with the subject. |
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Post by cupcakes on Jul 24, 2017 11:26:56 GMT
I didn't bring it up, I just follow it through to the end and along the way point out the blade-tactics and total lack of integrity of the wannabee browbeating bullies. You could answer to content, ignore it, or you can dive to the muck. This thread shows your choice. I am ignoring it thanks, my contribution was a observation about you and not the subject. And now I leave you to dive back to your regular obsession with the subject. Like a good blade would. |
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Post by cupcakes on Jul 24, 2017 19:25:05 GMT
What's your basis for asserting that it tends to come from "xenophobia" or fear of the "unknown" instead of from seeing just how vulnerable and delicate they are first hand, both physically and mentally, supported by the opinions of the accepted professionals? And even if such hypothetical were true, how is it in any way superior to "support of legalizing sexual interaction between adults and prepubescents tends to come from pedophiles", or even "insisting that proposals legalizing sexual interaction between adults and prepubescents should be debated on no rational basis and not dismissed - tends to come from pedophiles" The xenophobia is in the desire to protect the vulnerable from the unknown that's perceived as potentially dangerous. We see that at work all the time in over-protective parents who try to protect their kids from anything and everything. As good examples from recent history, parents trying to protect their children from the "evil" influences of rock (or rap) music, or protect them from the influence of violent video games. Parents "feared" these things long before there was any research suggesting they were harmful at all. Even beyond kids you could see it at work in the fear-based propaganda against marijuana long before there was any research to suggest if it was harmful. Like I said earlier, when it comes to sex in general I think you still see a lot of Puritanical/Christian xenophobic attitude towards it, the notion that it's something innately sinful, dirty, harmful, etc. I can see it (in part) in how completely ignorant most adults are when it comes to facts about how sexual children are at all (many are shocked when/if they find out that children, even as young as 2, masturbate); and that ignorance seems to stem from this false notion of "innocent children" where "innocence" is tied in with sexuality (if children are innocent, they can't be sexual). The reason why I suspect it's more xenophobic-related than based on the "opinions of the accepted experts" is because I can almost guarantee you that no parent researches the opinions of accepted experts before deciding whether pedophilia is bad. Most people, in general, don't deeply question most social mores and ethical positions, and even fewer do so to the point that they consult research of experts' consensus. Ask yourself why so many people in Germany in WW2 didn't resist the Nazis; the simple answer is that people's instincts about morality is shaped far more by the influences of evolution and social mores than on any scientific or rational investigation of their legitimacy. If you're raised in an environment where Jews are considered inferior, then it's very easy to just blindly accept that without ever questioning it. I mean, did YOU do any research into what the experts thought about pedophilia before arguing in these threads? I know I didn't. 1) Do you have any respected mainstream source attributing aversion of the idea of adult/kid sexual relations to "xenophobia"? 2) Do you have any respected mainstream source apportioning protectiveness between "xenophobia", reason, and socialization via the culture, or in fact other reasons? 3) Aren't children who masturbate that young relatively rare, and associated with hormone level/levels outside of the norm? 4) Isn't the "innocence" of childhood tied to immaturity, naivete, inexperience, and enthusiasm as everything is new? And why would you consider a child with a hormone disorder not "innocent"? Or even a teenager masturbating more typically, relatively speaking? 5) Does anybody other than extremes freak out about masturbation any more, as the professional consensus promulgated over time has been that in moderation it is normal and not deleterious? 6) You have a hunches? 7) By what basis would a lay person question the expert consensus? 8) Why would you think the two options would be the highly unrealistic "question the experts" and guessed "xenophobia"? Why would "accepting he expert consensus" yield "xenophobia" instead of that's what we do, listen to actual experts and not to youtube videos and personal hunches? 9) A simple answer associated with Nazi Germany? 10) Are you saying that, absent tyrannical/dystopian systems the expert consensus should be challenged/researched by lay people unqualified to that endeavor? 11) Further, are you really making these assertions and insinuations concerning the expert consensus when you, yourself say that you haven't researched? How is this different than ErJen? Top of my head: Injury from sex involving underdeveloped sexual organs, and the associated infection, permanent damage, and/or early death. With injury or infection a risk of more complicated pregnancies later. Earlier risk of/exposure to STIs. Accidental pregnancy due to timing of physical development. The well known risks to both mother and offspring with early pregnancy. Did you really not know of the associated risks? |
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Post by scienceisgod on Jul 24, 2017 21:51:46 GMT
Pedophobia, not xenophobia, and it's the exact same kind of emotional blackmail as homophobia. This is cognative dissonance. As an analogy, the government generally discourages violent behavior. We all have to get along. However sometimes the government finds it useful to promote violence, agitation propaganda for a war. This brings the two values into conflict. That's why liberals will protest against war under Bush and counter protest in favor of war under Obama. The same thing is happening here where liberals cannot reconcile tolerance and intolerance.
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Post by cupcakes on Jul 25, 2017 21:05:35 GMT
Pedophobia, not xenophobia, and it's the exact same kind of emotional blackmail as homophobia. This is cognative dissonance. As an analogy, the government generally discourages violent behavior. We all have to get along. However sometimes the government finds it useful to promote violence, agitation propaganda for a war. This brings the two values into conflict. That's why liberals will protest against war under Bush and counter protest in favor of war under Obama. The same thing is happening here where liberals cannot reconcile tolerance and intolerance. Not that much more squirrelly than what's above. |
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Post by cupcakes on Apr 10, 2018 2:55:41 GMT
tpfkar Let's examine dem " baseless claims".  Fire it back up where we left it. One bit at a time. Time to pahr-TAY some more!  The xenophobia is in the desire to protect the vulnerable from the unknown that's perceived as potentially dangerous. We see that at work all the time in over-protective parents who try to protect their kids from anything and everything. As good examples from recent history, parents trying to protect their children from the "evil" influences of rock (or rap) music, or protect them from the influence of violent video games. Parents "feared" these things long before there was any research suggesting they were harmful at all. Even beyond kids you could see it at work in the fear-based propaganda against marijuana long before there was any research to suggest if it was harmful. Like I said earlier, when it comes to sex in general I think you still see a lot of Puritanical/Christian xenophobic attitude towards it, the notion that it's something innately sinful, dirty, harmful, etc. I can see it (in part) in how completely ignorant most adults are when it comes to facts about how sexual children are at all (many are shocked when/if they find out that children, even as young as 2, masturbate); and that ignorance seems to stem from this false notion of "innocent children" where "innocence" is tied in with sexuality (if children are innocent, they can't be sexual). The reason why I suspect it's more xenophobic-related than based on the "opinions of the accepted experts" is because I can almost guarantee you that no parent researches the opinions of accepted experts before deciding whether pedophilia is bad. Most people, in general, don't deeply question most social mores and ethical positions, and even fewer do so to the point that they consult research of experts' consensus. Ask yourself why so many people in Germany in WW2 didn't resist the Nazis; the simple answer is that people's instincts about morality is shaped far more by the influences of evolution and social mores than on any scientific or rational investigation of their legitimacy. If you're raised in an environment where Jews are considered inferior, then it's very easy to just blindly accept that without ever questioning it. I mean, did YOU do any research into what the experts thought about pedophilia before arguing in these threads? I know I didn't. 1) Do you have any respected mainstream source attributing aversion of the idea of adult/kid sexual relations to "xenophobia"? 2) Do you have any respected mainstream source apportioning protectiveness between "xenophobia", reason, and socialization via the culture, or in fact other reasons? 3) Aren't children who masturbate that young relatively rare, and associated with hormone level/levels outside of the norm? 4) Isn't the "innocence" of childhood tied to immaturity, naivete, inexperience, and enthusiasm as everything is new? And why would you consider a child with a hormone disorder not "innocent"? Or even a teenager masturbating more typically, relatively speaking? 5) Does anybody other than extremes freak out about masturbation any more, as the professional consensus promulgated over time has been that in moderation it is normal and not deleterious? 6) You have a hunches? 7) By what basis would a lay person question the expert consensus? 8) Why would you think the two options would be the highly unrealistic "question the experts" and guessed "xenophobia"? Why would "accepting he expert consensus" yield "xenophobia" instead of that's what we do, listen to actual experts and not to youtube videos and personal hunches? 9) A simple answer associated with Nazi Germany? 10) Are you saying that, absent tyrannical/dystopian systems the expert consensus should be challenged/researched by lay people unqualified to that endeavor? 11) Further, are you really making these assertions and insinuations concerning the expert consensus when you, yourself say that you haven't researched? How is this different than ErJen? Top of my head: Injury from sex involving underdeveloped sexual organs, and the associated infection, permanent damage, and/or early death. With injury or infection a risk of more complicated pregnancies later. Earlier risk of/exposure to STIs. Accidental pregnancy due to timing of physical development. The well known risks to both mother and offspring with early pregnancy. Did you really not know of the associated risks? |
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 10, 2018 21:28:58 GMT
Just some fact checking here: Occasional masturbation is a normal behavior of many toddlers and preschoolers. Up to a third of children in this age group discover masturbation while exploring their bodies. Often they continue to masturbate simply because it feels good.
Once your child discovers masturbation, he or she will seldom stop doing it completely. Your child may not do it as often if any associated power struggles or unhappiness are remedied. By age 5 or 6, most children can learn some discretion and will masturbate only in private. Masturbation becomes almost universal at puberty in response to the normal surges in hormones and sexual drive.Child masturbationFinding your child touching or rubbing his genitals can be very disturbing to parents who mistakenly believe that small children don't have any sexual feelings. These parents may consider the behavior a bad habit, but most of the time, it's not. Babies discover their genitals just as they learn about other body parts -- by reaching for them -- and then learn that they are a source of pleasurable sensations.
The innocent repetition of what feels good is an entirely normal part of the process of self-discovery and play. Yet many adults harbor conflicted feelings about masturbation, viewing it as somehow immoral or unhealthy. When parents overreact to genital exploration, a toddler can conclude there is something wrong with him.
Nearly all children masturbate occasionally, most commonly around the age of 4 and again when they reach adolescence. Preschoolers tend to masturbate by stimulating their genitals with their hand, rubbing their thighs together, or rubbing against an object. The child may look preoccupied or flushed while doing this.Parenting (masturbation)Most children play with their genitals—expect this somewhere between age of two and six. The reason genital fondling bothers adults is that we tend to view children’s actions through adult eyes. To a child, masturbation is a normal part of discovering these parts of his or her body and the pleasurable feelings that come from them. In exploring their bodies, babies discover that some parts feel more pleasurable than others. Once these areas are discovered those little hands are frequently found there. To a child, massaging his or her genitals is pleasure. It is not “wrong” or “dirty.” Only if a child hears these terms from adults (or picks up on their anxiety) does he or she become worried and confused.Ask Dr. Sears |
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Post by Lugh on Apr 10, 2018 21:45:08 GMT
I dont see how parent's weird aversion to children having sex/masturbation is related to the "unknown". Its not like they have not done it before.
Cupcake's aiséirí of this thread is pathetic though.
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Post by cupcakes on Apr 10, 2018 22:04:29 GMT
Just some fact checking here: Occasional masturbation is a normal behavior of many toddlers and preschoolers. Up to a third of children in this age group discover masturbation while exploring their bodies. Often they continue to masturbate simply because it feels good.
Once your child discovers masturbation, he or she will seldom stop doing it completely. Your child may not do it as often if any associated power struggles or unhappiness are remedied. By age 5 or 6, most children can learn some discretion and will masturbate only in private. Masturbation becomes almost universal at puberty in response to the normal surges in hormones and sexual drive.Child masturbationFinding your child touching or rubbing his genitals can be very disturbing to parents who mistakenly believe that small children don't have any sexual feelings. These parents may consider the behavior a bad habit, but most of the time, it's not. Babies discover their genitals just as they learn about other body parts -- by reaching for them -- and then learn that they are a source of pleasurable sensations.
The innocent repetition of what feels good is an entirely normal part of the process of self-discovery and play. Yet many adults harbor conflicted feelings about masturbation, viewing it as somehow immoral or unhealthy. When parents overreact to genital exploration, a toddler can conclude there is something wrong with him.
Nearly all children masturbate occasionally, most commonly around the age of 4 and again when they reach adolescence. Preschoolers tend to masturbate by stimulating their genitals with their hand, rubbing their thighs together, or rubbing against an object. The child may look preoccupied or flushed while doing this.Parenting (masturbation)Most children play with their genitals—expect this somewhere between age of two and six. The reason genital fondling bothers adults is that we tend to view children’s actions through adult eyes. To a child, masturbation is a normal part of discovering these parts of his or her body and the pleasurable feelings that come from them. In exploring their bodies, babies discover that some parts feel more pleasurable than others. Once these areas are discovered those little hands are frequently found there. To a child, massaging his or her genitals is pleasure. It is not “wrong” or “dirty.” Only if a child hears these terms from adults (or picks up on their anxiety) does he or she become worried and confused.Ask Dr. Sears. "Masturbation in children seems to be associated with reduced estradiol levels, but not with other sex hormones. Further studies are needed to confirm our findings".
I can tell you we never saw it, we could easily be in the "2/3" group. No "epileptic fit" type episodes either. And playing with the toy down there is a far cry from masturbation. Also, I'm not sure how to rationalize " Nearly all children masturbate occasionally, most commonly around the age of 4 and again when they reach adolescence" with "Occasional masturbation is a normal behavior of many toddlers and preschoolers. Up to a third of children in this age group discover masturbation while exploring their bodies". In any case, none of this affects a child's innocence, naivete, etc., although they note "Childhood masturbation has been linked to emotional deprivation, which may in turn lead to more self-stimulation. It may also be associated with sexual abuse".
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Post by cupcakes on Apr 10, 2018 22:06:14 GMT
tpfkar I dont see how parent's weird aversion to children having sex/masturbation is related to the "unknown". Its not like they have not done it before. Cupcake's aiséirí of this thread is pathetic though. Pedo brigade assemble!
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How about a months later one from you?
carmb09 / saoradh: But the only situation in which sex with children is moral and should be allowed is when the child is capable of Informed consent. Now obviously a 7 year old can't do that but a 12 year old at the very least could.
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carmb09 / saoradh replied 11 months, 3 weeks ago
Definitely, I would estimate around 5 or 6 is the maximum age where they wouldn't be able to, but I really don't know.
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carmb / saoradh: Many children after they consent to sex with an adult are brainwashed into thinking they were raped and abused but that's just not true.
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 10, 2018 22:28:16 GMT
Just some fact checking here: Occasional masturbation is a normal behavior of many toddlers and preschoolers. Up to a third of children in this age group discover masturbation while exploring their bodies. Often they continue to masturbate simply because it feels good.
Once your child discovers masturbation, he or she will seldom stop doing it completely. Your child may not do it as often if any associated power struggles or unhappiness are remedied. By age 5 or 6, most children can learn some discretion and will masturbate only in private. Masturbation becomes almost universal at puberty in response to the normal surges in hormones and sexual drive.Child masturbationFinding your child touching or rubbing his genitals can be very disturbing to parents who mistakenly believe that small children don't have any sexual feelings. These parents may consider the behavior a bad habit, but most of the time, it's not. Babies discover their genitals just as they learn about other body parts -- by reaching for them -- and then learn that they are a source of pleasurable sensations.
The innocent repetition of what feels good is an entirely normal part of the process of self-discovery and play. Yet many adults harbor conflicted feelings about masturbation, viewing it as somehow immoral or unhealthy. When parents overreact to genital exploration, a toddler can conclude there is something wrong with him.
Nearly all children masturbate occasionally, most commonly around the age of 4 and again when they reach adolescence. Preschoolers tend to masturbate by stimulating their genitals with their hand, rubbing their thighs together, or rubbing against an object. The child may look preoccupied or flushed while doing this.Parenting (masturbation)Most children play with their genitals—expect this somewhere between age of two and six. The reason genital fondling bothers adults is that we tend to view children’s actions through adult eyes. To a child, masturbation is a normal part of discovering these parts of his or her body and the pleasurable feelings that come from them. In exploring their bodies, babies discover that some parts feel more pleasurable than others. Once these areas are discovered those little hands are frequently found there. To a child, massaging his or her genitals is pleasure. It is not “wrong” or “dirty.” Only if a child hears these terms from adults (or picks up on their anxiety) does he or she become worried and confused.Ask Dr. Sears. "Masturbation in children seems to be associated with reduced estradiol levels, but not with other sex hormones. Further studies are needed to confirm our findings".
I can tell you we never saw it, we could easily be in the "2/3" group. No "epileptic fit" type episodes either. And playing with the toy down there is a far cry from masturbation. Also, I'm not sure how to rationalize " Nearly all children masturbate occasionally, most commonly around the age of 4 and again when they reach adolescence" with "Occasional masturbation is a normal behavior of many toddlers and preschoolers. Up to a third of children in this age group discover masturbation while exploring their bodies". In any case, none of this affects a child's innocence, naivete, etc., although they note "Childhood masturbation has been linked to emotional deprivation, which may in turn lead to more self-stimulation. It may also be associated with sexual abuse".
Strong GripUnfortunately, the conclusion from your “more facts” (The Annuls of Saudi Medicine) conducted over ten years ago, doesn’t even support its own data! Their methods involved testing INFANTS (the median age of which was 19 months). I’m pretty sure that’s younger than two years old! So the conclusion erroneous uses the phrase “children” to refer to studies conducted on infants under two years old. Clearly that’s not what is being discussed! So it’s a misrepresentation of what Eva was arguing. It also doesn’t contradict any of the facts I’ve previously presented. I’m not interested in debating “innocence” since that’s a subjective term. I was only showing you why the answer to your question regarding the supposed abnormality of young children masturbating was NO. |
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Post by cupcakes on Apr 10, 2018 23:00:15 GMT
bnormaltpfkar More facts. "Masturbation in children seems to be associated with reduced estradiol levels, but not with other sex hormones. Further studies are needed to confirm our findings".
I can tell you we never saw it, we could easily be in the "2/3" group. No "epileptic fit" type episodes either. And playing with the toy down there is a far cry from masturbation. Also, I'm not sure how to rationalize " Nearly all children masturbate occasionally, most commonly around the age of 4 and again when they reach adolescence" with "Occasional masturbation is a normal behavior of many toddlers and preschoolers. Up to a third of children in this age group discover masturbation while exploring their bodies". In any case, none of this affects a child's innocence, naivete, etc., although they note "Childhood masturbation has been linked to emotional deprivation, which may in turn lead to more self-stimulation. It may also be associated with sexual abuse".
Strong Grip Unfortunately, the conclusion from your “more facts” (The Annuls of Saudi Medicine) conducted over ten years ago, doesn’t even support its own data! Their methods involved testing INFANTS (the median age of which was 19 months). I’m pretty sure that’s younger than two years old! So the conclusion erroneous uses the phrase “children” to refer to studies conducted on infants under two years old. Clearly that’s not what is being discussed! So it’s a misrepresentation of what Eva was arguing. It also doesn’t contradict any of the facts I’ve previously presented. I’m not interested in debating “innocence” since that’s a subjective term. I was only showing you why the answer to your question regarding the supposed abnormality of young children masturbating was NO. Never stop sparkling, Bryce.  The question was in regards to "as young as 2", and the study in the NCBI was on "infants and young children". And it was "hormone levels outside the norm". And I guess you don't know what "median" nor "age of onset" mean.  In any case, none of these kids are not "innocent" nor are any of them thinking about banging adults except perhaps when, as your source notes, "You suspect that your child has been taught to masturbate by someone".
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 11, 2018 14:02:39 GMT
bnormaltpfkar Unfortunately, the conclusion from your “more facts” (The Annuls of Saudi Medicine) conducted over ten years ago, doesn’t even support its own data! Their methods involved testing INFANTS (the median age of which was 19 months). I’m pretty sure that’s younger than two years old! So the conclusion erroneous uses the phrase “children” to refer to studies conducted on infants under two years old. Clearly that’s not what is being discussed! So it’s a misrepresentation of what Eva was arguing. It also doesn’t contradict any of the facts I’ve previously presented. I’m not interested in debating “innocence” since that’s a subjective term. I was only showing you why the answer to your question regarding the supposed abnormality of young children masturbating was NO. Never stop sparkling, Bryce. The question was in regards to "as young as 2", and the study in the NCBI was on "infants and young children". The median age of which was UNDER 2, thereby making the majority of the results non-applicable. What part of that don’t you understand?  I actually do know what it means. However since the study never reported how many “young children” included in the study were over the age of 24 months, you have no basis to draw a conclusion that “children as young as 2” masturbating is the result of abnormal hormone levels (since that’s not what the results of the study supports). Moreover, even if we assumed that SOME children in the study were 2 or older, AND also assume that abnormal hormone levels were found in them, that doesn’t support that masturbation is in itself an “abnormal activity” or the result of abnormal hormones (because correlation does not imply causation), much less that all or even most 2 year olds who masturbate would have abnormal hormone levels. So you are drawing many conclusions based on insufficient evidence and assumptions. |
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