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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 21:17:37 GMT
What a load of misdirected shit. Abrams wasn't the one leaking spoilers, that's who you should be annoyed with. Who said I was annoyed with Abrams? For the record I'm not. I simply stated the facts. If anyone's annoyed, and especially if anyone has misplaced annoyance it's you. So you're criticizing and attacking me for just reporting facts on Abrams. You're offended that I'm not here just arbitrarily making blind statements of praise for Abrams? I was shedding light on how that theory has been addressed by the filmmakers themselves. If you want to interpret it as misplaced criticism that's you're problem. You are obviously here on this thread, not to address its possibility or likelihood. But to be a touchy, belligerent Abrams fanboy. So go screw yourself! I don't care what your opinion is of my post. You can like it. You can hate it. But the one thing you can't do is change it. Was that direct enough for you? Nice.
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Post by Jedan Archer on Jul 28, 2017 11:06:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 13:56:06 GMT
Great. This fucking guy again.
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Post by kuatorises on Jul 28, 2017 19:07:58 GMT
What a load of misdirected shit. Abrams wasn't the one leaking spoilers, that's who you should be annoyed with. Who said I was annoyed with Abrams? For the record I'm not. I simply stated the facts. If anyone's annoyed, and especially if anyone has misplaced annoyance it's you. So you're criticizing and attacking me for just reporting facts on Abrams. You're offended that I'm not here just arbitrarily making blind statements of praise for Abrams? I was shedding light on how that theory has been addressed by the filmmakers themselves. If you want to interpret it as misplaced criticism that's you're problem. You are obviously here on this thread, not to address its possibility or likelihood. But to be a touchy, belligerent Abrams fanboy. So go screw yourself! I don't care what your opinion is of my post. You can like it. You can hate it. But the one thing you can't do is change it. Was that direct enough for you? Stop pretending if Abrams had said, "I can't say" instead of "No, he is not Khan" that you wouldn't have a problem.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 19:36:30 GMT
Who said I was annoyed with Abrams? For the record I'm not. I simply stated the facts. If anyone's annoyed, and especially if anyone has misplaced annoyance it's you. So you're criticizing and attacking me for just reporting facts on Abrams. You're offended that I'm not here just arbitrarily making blind statements of praise for Abrams? I was shedding light on how that theory has been addressed by the filmmakers themselves. If you want to interpret it as misplaced criticism that's you're problem. You are obviously here on this thread, not to address its possibility or likelihood. But to be a touchy, belligerent Abrams fanboy. So go screw yourself! I don't care what your opinion is of my post. You can like it. You can hate it. But the one thing you can't do is change it. Was that direct enough for you? Stop pretending if Abrams had said, "I can't say" instead of "No, he is not Khan" that you wouldn't have a problem. As I already said more than once I never said I had a problem. So stop pretending you have some power to tell people what they mean when they plainly state what they mean just because you want to interpret it as something different. Stop acting like you're an authority on what's said on this thread. And take your tongue out of Abrams butt crack long enough to know when someone's genuinely making a dig at him or not. Not backing down from anything I said. So go screw yourself. Or screw Abrams because you're really acting like Gisele Bundchen or Jada Pinkett-Smith misguidedly whining about their husband being treated unfairly right now! Go bitch about it to someone who cares. Go make a YouTube video about it or something.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 18, 2017 20:47:35 GMT
My friend had this theory about Rey: She is Han's and Leia's daughter, but Luke erased their memories of her and left her on Jakku to keep her away from the First Order and the Dark Siders. My friend used this to explain why Kylo Ren has this curiosity about "the girl" and why Leia instinctively goes to hug her after the events at Starkiller base. What do you all think about this theory? He also predicted that Finn will have metal/prosthetic legs in the sequels. I still, personally, think that she's related to Obi Wan somehow. But then why let them keep their memories of Kylo/Ben? Why not do that for both of them? Doesn't make sense.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 22:02:28 GMT
My friend had this theory about Rey: She is Han's and Leia's daughter, but Luke erased their memories of her and left her on Jakku to keep her away from the First Order and the Dark Siders. My friend used this to explain why Kylo Ren has this curiosity about "the girl" and why Leia instinctively goes to hug her after the events at Starkiller base. What do you all think about this theory? He also predicted that Finn will have metal/prosthetic legs in the sequels. I still, personally, think that she's related to Obi Wan somehow. But then why let them keep their memories of Kylo/Ben? Why not do that for both of them? Doesn't make sense. Yeah...I also think fans are looking too hard for clues as to who her loving family member was who dropped her off. The more I analyze the available data, the more convinced I become that she was dropped off by agents of The First Order. This may mean that her parents are tied to the First Order or what if she were kidnapped? This is a galaxy chock full of slavery. But there's one other thing I keep coming back to: "The empire needs children." - Gallius Rax "Like all of them, I was taken from a family I'll never know." - Finn Plus, as we all know, Palpatine sought children throughout the galaxy who were Force sensitive to see if they were potential Sith apprentices. Maybe Rey and Finn have more in common than they know. What would be really interesting would be to find out that Rey was Han and Leia's daughter and that she was kidnapped and that a yet-to-fall Ben Solo was somehow accidentally responsible. It would certainly be a tidy way of demonstrating the curve of how a person might go from normal to seduced by the dark side.
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Post by leesilm on Sept 26, 2017 20:51:26 GMT
My friend had this theory about Rey: She is Han's and Leia's daughter, but Luke erased their memories of her and left her on Jakku to keep her away from the First Order and the Dark Siders. My friend used this to explain why Kylo Ren has this curiosity about "the girl" and why Leia instinctively goes to hug her after the events at Starkiller base. What do you all think about this theory? He also predicted that Finn will have metal/prosthetic legs in the sequels. I still, personally, think that she's related to Obi Wan somehow. On Tumblr, someone had taken pictures of the novelization, on the pages dealing with Han and Leia's meeting after Maz's castle has been destroyed as well as some stuff with Kylo and Han's interactions with Rey. They pointed out (I may fuzz this up a bit, I read this months ago) that the phrasing in the sentences explaining how Han and Leia broke up/separated, it sounded like there had been something that happened to make them fall apart in their relationship that also had this devastating effect on their son. They had pointed out how Han almost consciously never calls Rey by her name, he just talks directly to her. They pointed out the whole, "mother's hug" thing with Leia. They pointed out how Chewie takes right to her. Plus, they had gotten a chunk where Kylo is focused on the familiarity and it seems even Rey had this echo of familiarity with him. Like I said, I read this a LONG while back, so the details are a bit hazy. I do remember thinking it was a very interesting theory and it held water. I could see Leia and Han having 2 children [not to mention, it would be a way of borrowing from the Extended Universe that's now been defunked], both gifted with the Force and a connection to it. Then sending their elder child- both due to his age as well as his emotional state, to be with Uncle Luke at Jedi Academy 2.0 for his training. As far as we know, Leia never really did anything towards becoming a Jedi, perhaps some meditative stuff to allow her to communicate with her bro/kids and the like, but nothing on the level a teenager would need in their Jedi Knight training. But I could see Leia thinking that Han was often off flying missions with Chewie, she was busy leading the Resistance [plus taking care of the younger child], and Ben was needing more and more help to get through his training exercises, so perhaps she started sending him with Uncle Luke for weeks at a time rather than keeping him with she &/or Han. Then, skip forward a few months. Lil-Rey is with Leia at a base that gets attacked while Han is away. Han hears the distress call and comes flying as fast as he can to get there because his girls are there, Leia risks life and limb to get to the most-damaged part of the base in order to get to her daughter, and the attackers (think someone like the Hutts or Boba Fett, less First Order) take Rey. Leia and Han get there too late, they both blame themselves (perhaps each other a little too), and Leia takes off with Luke trying to find her daughter because they can both sense Rey is still alive, but they leave Ben behind. This already emotionally fragile, Force-strong young boy who now is dealing with all this stuff with his baby sister(mom & uncle are gone after her but they won't let me help, dad is out looking for her but won't let me help, I was sent here but if I'd been home I could have stayed with Rey and she might have been safe or mom could have left Rey and I with uncle Lando someplace and we'd be fine, etc.), his anchors are all gone- yes, looking for Rey but still they aren't there for him, he's still learning, and now Snoke [wouldn't it be a hoot if Snoke had been trying to kidnap Rey, knowing he could corrupt Ben so he didn't need to kidnap him, and the kidnappers have some problem or got paid better by someone else, so they never delivered her to Snoke?] uses Ben's pain/isolation/resentment/fear/worry/etc. to corrupt his soul a la Palpatine/Anakin, and getting Ben to help the Knights of Ren to slaughter Luke's students.... so Luke comes home from trying to help Leia find lil-Rey, to find his school on fire, the training grounds in ruins, the bodies of his students littering the ground, and his nephew responsible for it all. Now here's where I go off on my own weird bent for this theory-------- ------ Luke leaves, he finds Rey and is able to rescue her from her kidnappers, yet he fears what will happen if Kylo Ren, the Knights of Ren, the First Order, and/or Snoke get ahold of her. He also knows what pain the Force and such have caused his family from Shmi through to Ben, so he decides to try to spare Rey, by wiping her memory and leaving her with a man he had paid to keep an eye on her and deliver her to a good family, then Luke disappears, taking the knowledge of Rey's location with him. He knows it will hurt Leia and Han, but he thinks this will be worth it to save Rey. That being anywhere near him, Kylo, or the battle between the First Order and the Resistance, will only further jeopardize this precious little child- so he leaves her with a clean break. And the man he leaves her with doesn't follow through, finding it more valuable to basically make Rey a slave working for him. She ends up living a life as hard as Anakin and Shmi's, though far more lonely as she's got no one there for her, no last name to cling to, nothing. Until a little Resistance droid shows up, shortly followed by a recently-defected Stormtrooper, and she ends up meeting her father and uncle, getting kidnapped by her elder brother, then rescued by her father, uncle, new friend, and her mother's forces before reuniting with her mother after losing her father in front of her very eyes only hours earlier. And then, she gets sent across the galaxy in her father's ship, next to her furry uncle, to greet her biological uncle- who is shocked to see her standing there with his lightsaber, when he thought he had managed to save her from all of this (notice, his look is a bit more like resignation than outright shock or relief), and he had felt the pain of Han's loss through his connections with his brother-in-law, sister, nephew, and niece.
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Post by shinnickneth on Sept 26, 2017 21:37:25 GMT
My friend had this theory about Rey: She is Han's and Leia's daughter, but Luke erased their memories of her and left her on Jakku to keep her away from the First Order and the Dark Siders. My friend used this to explain why Kylo Ren has this curiosity about "the girl" and why Leia instinctively goes to hug her after the events at Starkiller base. What do you all think about this theory? He also predicted that Finn will have metal/prosthetic legs in the sequels. I still, personally, think that she's related to Obi Wan somehow. Did Luke also erase Han's memory under this theory? I think it sounds unlikely. Han seemed thoroughly uninterested in her (with just a hint of a face change when she told him her name), which is the complete opposite of the reaction he has to his son, Ben. I suppose it's always possible Han didn't know about Rey, but then, why hide one's child's existence from Han? Why not Ben then too? Unless of course, someone(s) were hiding Rey from Ben. There's too many odd parts to this whole theory. I hope Rey is just some scavenger nobody from a desert planet. However, it's looking unlikely with the little hints about people of significance in the series knowing about her and/or too much emphasis put on her as a character.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 13:48:39 GMT
My friend had this theory about Rey: She is Han's and Leia's daughter, but Luke erased their memories of her and left her on Jakku to keep her away from the First Order and the Dark Siders. My friend used this to explain why Kylo Ren has this curiosity about "the girl" and why Leia instinctively goes to hug her after the events at Starkiller base. What do you all think about this theory? He also predicted that Finn will have metal/prosthetic legs in the sequels. I still, personally, think that she's related to Obi Wan somehow. Did Luke also erase Han's memory under this theory? I think it sounds unlikely. Han seemed thoroughly uninterested in her (with just a hint of a face change when she told him her name), which is the complete opposite of the reaction he has to his son, Ben. I suppose it's always possible Han didn't know about Rey, but then, why hide one's child's existence from Han? Why not Ben then too? Unless of course, someone(s) were hiding Rey from Ben. There's too many odd parts to this whole theory. I hope Rey is just some scavenger nobody from a desert planet. However, it's looking unlikely with the little hints about people of significance in the series knowing about her and/or too much emphasis put on her as a character. I'm telling you: the missing link from the Aftermath series is not so much about Palpatine's feeling that his dark side power came from the Unknown Regions (which will indeed become significant at some point). It is about the fact that (what became) the First Order after the fall of the Empire was based in training children to be killers on Jakku. That's the hint I think we were supposed to get there. The idea that the First Order used Jakku as a staging ground for what would become their new line of stormtroopers is tied to Rey's history. That's why she was dropped off there. Without Gallius Rax or Niima the Hutt to take children to, the Hux's started taking them to Unkar Plutt. I'm almost sure of it.
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Post by shinnickneth on Sept 27, 2017 19:35:45 GMT
I'm telling you: the missing link from the Aftermath series is not so much about Palpatine's feeling that his dark side power came from the Unknown Regions (which will indeed become significant at some point). It is about the fact that (what became) the First Order after the fall of the Empire was based in training children to be killers on Jakku. That's the hint I think we were supposed to get there. The idea that the First Order used Jakku as a staging ground for what would become their new line of stormtroopers is tied to Rey's history. That's why she was dropped off there. Without Gallius Rax or Niima the Hutt to take children to, the Hux's started taking them to Unkar Plutt. I'm almost sure of it. Interesting theory. I suppose we'll have to wait and see.
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