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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 23, 2017 22:26:55 GMT
I don't know anything about that macguffin Infinity Gauntlet, but 1 MCU fan on this message board said that the gauntlet in Odin's vault is right-handed and the gauntlet Thanos had in AoU is left-handed. So Thanos would need both guantlets to rule the universe, correct?
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Post by barkingbaphomet on Jul 23, 2017 22:28:22 GMT
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Post by zoilus on Jul 23, 2017 23:33:52 GMT
I don't know anything about that macguffin Infinity Gauntlet, but 1 MCU fan on this message board said that the gauntlet in Odin's vault is right-handed and the gauntlet Thanos had in AoU is left-handed. So Thanos would need both guantlets to rule the universe, correct? No, idiot. The gauntlets have no power. They're only good for holding the stones. Each can hold all 6 stones, meaning if you have 1 gauntlet, you can put all 6 stones in it. If you wore both gauntlets, and had 3 stones in each, or 4 in one 2 in the other etc, it would be no more powerful than having 1 gauntlet with all 6. Also you use MacGuffin wrong. Traditionally, the word indicates an object everyone wants, not because it's useful, but because they just want it. If everyone wants something that is actually useful, like a weapon, then it's not a MacGuffin. |
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on Jul 24, 2017 0:12:16 GMT
The left one is the real one. Odin's is actually an infinity gauntlet shaped stein filled with wine made from the golden apples of Idunn. That's why it's in the vault. He has to wield those plus the infinity sonic screwdriver, infinity phaser, infinity horcrux, infinity ring of mordor, infinity light saber (really just a laser pointer to such a large Eternal), and the all powerful infinity Batarang. Only then can he be worthy to marry Hela (Death) to break the enchantress' curse and finally be free to merge forces with the Night King, Apocalypse and Steppenwolf to defeat the tech obsessed New Gods once and for all to take full control of the Discworld and remain relevant in the hearts of geeks everywhere. Going to be a long movie!
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 24, 2017 0:43:03 GMT
I don't know anything about that macguffin Infinity Gauntlet, but 1 MCU fan on this message board said that the gauntlet in Odin's vault is right-handed and the gauntlet Thanos had in AoU is left-handed. So Thanos would need both guantlets to rule the universe, correct? No, idiot. The gauntlets have no power. They're only good for holding the stones. Each can hold all 6 stones, meaning if you have 1 gauntlet, you can put all 6 stones in it. If you wore both gauntlets, and had 3 stones in each, or 4 in one 2 in the other etc, it would be no more powerful than having 1 gauntlet with all 6. So Thanos needs all of the Infinity Stones on both gauntlets to rule the universe. Also, who made the gauntlets? And if the guantlets themselves are useless, then why did the gauntlet-maker make a left-hand and a right-hand gauntlet when he only needs 1 gauntlet? you use MacGuffin wrong. Traditionally, the word indicates an object everyone wants, not because it's useful, but because they just want it. If everyone wants something that is actually useful, like a weapon, then it's not a MacGuffin. You just said that the gauntlets themselves are useless. So the gauntlets are in fact a MacGuffin because it's useless but Odin wants it so much that he keeps it in his vault. |
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Post by zoilus on Jul 24, 2017 0:51:19 GMT
No, idiot. The gauntlets have no power. They're only good for holding the stones. Each can hold all 6 stones, meaning if you have 1 gauntlet, you can put all 6 stones in it. If you wore both gauntlets, and had 3 stones in each, or 4 in one 2 in the other etc, it would be no more powerful than having 1 gauntlet with all 6. So Thanos needs all of the Infinity Stones on both gauntlets to rule the universe. Also, who made the gauntlets? And if the guantlets themselves are useless, then why did the gauntlet-maker make a left-hand and a right-hand gauntlet when he only needs 1 gauntlet? I'd accuse you of playing dumb but since you're so frequently posting such nonsense you must be legitimately dumb. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 24, 2017 0:55:50 GMT
So Thanos needs all of the Infinity Stones on both gauntlets to rule the universe. Also, who made the gauntlets? And if the guantlets themselves are useless, then why did the gauntlet-maker make a left-hand and a right-hand gauntlet when he only needs 1 gauntlet? I'd accuse you of playing dumb but since you're so frequently posting such nonsense you must be legitimately dumb. So you're unable to give a reasonable and sufficient answer to who made the gauntlets and why he made a left-hand gauntlet and a right-hand gauntlet when he only needs 1 gauntlet, so now you're trying to resort to the old trick of using insults to draw attention away from the fact that you're unable to answer the question.
And you also ignored the fact that the gauntlets are indeed MacGuffins since you said the gauntlets themselves are useless, yet Odin wants the gauntlet so much that he keeps it in his vault.
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Post by zoilus on Jul 24, 2017 1:07:41 GMT
I'd accuse you of playing dumb but since you're so frequently posting such nonsense you must be legitimately dumb. So you're unable to give a reasonable and sufficient answer to who made the gauntlets and why he made a left-hand gauntlet and a right-hand gauntlet when he only needs 1 gauntlet, so now you're trying to resort to the old trick of using insults to draw attention away from the fact that you're unable to answer the question.
And you also ignored the fact that the gauntlets are indeed MacGuffins since you said the gauntlets themselves are useless, yet Odin wants the gauntlet so much that he keeps it in his vault.
Why do you post questions that you know are stupid? Is this the best form of entertainment you've got? Is it just fun to waste people's time? Well congratulations I'm replying to you! Well it's not really a waste of time, i'm just watching the BrBa marathon on AMC. You know damn well there is no reason to assume both gauntlets were made by the same person. You also know damn well that if the gauntlets are made to serve the higher purpose of containing the infinity stones, which are useful and therefore not MacGuffins, then the gauntlets are therefore not MacGuffins. |
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jul 24, 2017 1:41:53 GMT
I'd accuse you of playing dumb but since you're so frequently posting such nonsense you must be legitimately dumb. So you're unable to give a reasonable and sufficient answer to who made the gauntlets and why he made a left-hand gauntlet and a right-hand gauntlet when he only needs 1 gauntlet, so now you're trying to resort to the old trick of using insults to draw attention away from the fact that you're unable to answer the question.
And you also ignored the fact that the gauntlets are indeed MacGuffins since you said the gauntlets themselves are useless, yet Odin wants the gauntlet so much that he keeps it in his vault.
Why did Cyborg's father have a motherbox? Why did it even create Cyborg in the first place? Why are there even three of them on Earth anyways? |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 24, 2017 2:56:17 GMT
Why do you post questions that you know are stupid? Is this the best form of entertainment you've got? Is it just fun to waste people's time? Well congratulations I'm replying to you! Well it's not really a waste of time, i'm just watching the BrBa marathon on AMC. Those questions aren't stupid. Like I said, I don't know anything about these MacGuffin gauntlets so it's a valid question. I'm always fair and unbiased so I'm trying to understand what MCU is trying to do. You know damn well there is no reason to assume both gauntlets were made by the same person. I didn't know that they weren't made by the same person. So there are 2 power-hungry tyrants who are trying to rule the universe? Were Thanos and Odin the creators of the 2 gauntlets, which is why they have possession of the gauntlets? So Thanos and Odin are the 2 power-hungry tyrants who are trying to rule the universe? |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 24, 2017 3:05:25 GMT
So you're unable to give a reasonable and sufficient answer to who made the gauntlets and why he made a left-hand gauntlet and a right-hand gauntlet when he only needs 1 gauntlet, so now you're trying to resort to the old trick of using insults to draw attention away from the fact that you're unable to answer the question.
And you also ignored the fact that the gauntlets are indeed MacGuffins since you said the gauntlets themselves are useless, yet Odin wants the gauntlet so much that he keeps it in his vault.
Why did Cyborg's father have a motherbox? Why did it even create Cyborg in the first place? Why are there even three of them on Earth anyways? Those questions will be answered in the Justice League movie. There's supposedly a prologue that shows an ancient war between Darkseid's forces and the combined forces of the Amazons, Atlanteans, and Humans, and it was decided after the war that each of them would take possession of 1 of the mother boxes to safeguard.
The Amazons probably kept their mother box in the tower where they kept all the other gifts from the gods. The Atlanteans would've taken their mother box to Atlantis. From previous trailers, it appeared that the Humans buried their mother box somewhere. Silas Stone obviously finds it and the Justice League movie will explain how he found it and why it fused with Vic Stone's body/
But I haven't seen anything in 16 MCU movies that explains why there are 2 gauntlets and who created the gauntlets. Like I said, I don't now anything about these MacGuffin gauntlets so I'm just trying to find out more information.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jul 24, 2017 3:16:45 GMT
Why did Cyborg's father have a motherbox? Why did it even create Cyborg in the first place? Why are there even three of them on Earth anyways? Those questions will be answered in the Justice League movie. There's supposedly a prologue that shows an ancient war between Darkseid's forces and the combined forces of the Amazons, Atlanteans, and Humans, and it was decided after the war that each of them would take possession of 1 of the mother boxes to safeguard.
The Amazons probably kept their mother box in the tower where they kept all the other gifts from the gods. The Atlanteans would've taken their mother box to Atlantis. From previous trailers, it appeared that the Humans buried their mother box somewhere. Silas Stone obviously finds it and the Justice League movie will explain how he found it and why it fused with Vic Stone's body/
But I haven't seen anything in 16 MCU movies that explains why there are 2 gauntlets and who created the gauntlets. Like I said, I don't now anything about these MacGuffin gauntlets so I'm just trying to find out more information.
And you don't think they'll be answered in Infinity War? If they explained them earlier in the series, wouldn't that be the very thing you complain about; spoon-feeding? |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 24, 2017 3:26:14 GMT
Those questions will be answered in the Justice League movie. There's supposedly a prologue that shows an ancient war between Darkseid's forces and the combined forces of the Amazons, Atlanteans, and Humans, and it was decided after the war that each of them would take possession of 1 of the mother boxes to safeguard.
The Amazons probably kept their mother box in the tower where they kept all the other gifts from the gods. The Atlanteans would've taken their mother box to Atlantis. From previous trailers, it appeared that the Humans buried their mother box somewhere. Silas Stone obviously finds it and the Justice League movie will explain how he found it and why it fused with Vic Stone's body/
But I haven't seen anything in 16 MCU movies that explains why there are 2 gauntlets and who created the gauntlets. Like I said, I don't now anything about these MacGuffin gauntlets so I'm just trying to find out more information.
And you don't think they'll be answered in Infinity War? If they explained them earlier in the series, wouldn't that be the very thing you complain about; spoon-feeding? The reason that the mother boxes haven't been explained in DCEU yet is because, other than a deleted scene in BvS (a hologram of Steppenwolf holding the mother boxes in the scout ship when Lex is arrested), none of the mother boxes have appeared in any DCEU movie so far, not even in Wonder Woman. Justice League will be the 1st DCEU movie in which the mother boxes appear so it makes sense that the explanation is in Justice League. But in MCU, they've shown the gauntlets in several movies so they should've explained who made the gauntlets and why he made 2 gauntlets when only 1 is needed. |
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Post by zoilus on Jul 24, 2017 3:26:54 GMT
Those questions aren't stupid. Yes they are. Like I said, I don't know anything about these MacGuffin gauntlets so it's a valid question. We both know what you're doing. Saying 'these MacGuffin gauntlets' instead of simply 'these gauntlets' gives you away. I'm always fair and unbiased so I'm trying to understand what MCU is trying to do. You're never unbiased. We both know you love Marvel but just like to argue points you know are stupid for the attention. I didn't know that they weren't made by the same person. They're just gauntlets only good for holding infinity stones. Any armoror can make those. There is no reason to believe they're so difficult to make that only one person does it. So there are 2 power-hungry tyrants who are trying to rule the universe? Odin doesn't seem like a power-hungry tyrant at all. He could use the Tesserect but kept it in his vault. He could use the Aether but had it given to The Collector. He could have put both of those in his gauntlet and cracked some frost giant skulls but he didn't. In Thor he says "A wise king never seeks out war. But he must always be ready for it. " Were Thanos and Odin the creators of the 2 gauntlets, which is why they have possession of the gauntlets? So Thanos and Odin are the 2 power-hungry tyrants who are trying to rule the universe? Odin is king of Asgard. He likely has some powerful and skillful friends and although there is nothing from the MCU said or shown to support or dispute this, I feel like his gauntlet was a gift from someone and he just kind of has it as a novelty. Like a 'World's Greatest Dad' mug, but more like an 'Only guy fit to rule the universe' glove. Well I answered everything you said. You must be so satisfied with yourself. |
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jul 24, 2017 3:49:37 GMT
And you don't think they'll be answered in Infinity War? If they explained them earlier in the series, wouldn't that be the very thing you complain about; spoon-feeding? The reason that the mother boxes haven't been explained in DCEU yet is because, other than a deleted scene in BvS (a hologram of Steppenwolf holding the mother boxes in the scout ship when Lex is arrested), none of the mother boxes have appeared in any DCEU movie so far, not even in Wonder Woman. Justice League will be the 1st DCEU movie in which the mother boxes appear so it makes sense that the explanation is in Justice League. But in MCU, they've shown the gauntlets in several movies so they should've explained who made the gauntlets and why he made 2 gauntlets when only 1 is needed. Wrong as usual. The Cyborg scene had a motherbox, and we had no explanation of it. And the one glove that was briefly seen in Thor pertain nothing to the actual film's plot, so there wasn't really need to explain it. Just an Easter egg. And the second gauntlet was just a stinger (post credit scene). Again, not part of the current film's plot with Ultron, so there isn't need to explain it now but will be in Infinity War. But with Cyborg and the mother box, that was part of the film's narrative, even if it was just a brief scene, so it could have benefited from some sort of explanation. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 24, 2017 11:20:17 GMT
Essentially, DC-Fan wants to be spoonfed.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jul 24, 2017 13:28:10 GMT
Essentially, DC-Fan wants to be spoonfed. So basically you're too poor to afford silverware. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 24, 2017 21:55:52 GMT
The Cyborg scene had a motherbox, and we had no explanation of it. And the one glove that was briefly seen in Thor pertain nothing to the actual film's plot, so there wasn't really need to explain it. Just an Easter egg. And the second gauntlet was just a stinger (post credit scene). Again, not part of the current film's plot with Ultron, so there isn't need to explain it now but will be in Infinity War. But with Cyborg and the mother box, that was part of the film's narrative, even if it was just a brief scene, so it could have benefited from some sort of explanation. The Cyborg scene wasn't part of the main narrative of BvS and wasn't essential to the main story of BvS. Delete that scene and it doesn't really affect nor change the movie. But the MacGuffin gauntlet and the Infinity Stones in MCU are part of the main narrative and essential to the main story. Loki comes to earth in The Avengers because he's looking for an Infinity Stone. Ronan the Big Bad Destroyer was trying to get an Infinity Stone before he was defeated by the silly Dance-Off. And Vision has an Infinity Stone in his head. So there should've already been an explanation about the MacGuffin gauntlets and the Infinity Stones. |
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jul 24, 2017 22:20:17 GMT
The Cyborg scene had a motherbox, and we had no explanation of it. And the one glove that was briefly seen in Thor pertain nothing to the actual film's plot, so there wasn't really need to explain it. Just an Easter egg. And the second gauntlet was just a stinger (post credit scene). Again, not part of the current film's plot with Ultron, so there isn't need to explain it now but will be in Infinity War. But with Cyborg and the mother box, that was part of the film's narrative, even if it was just a brief scene, so it could have benefited from some sort of explanation. The Cyborg scene wasn't part of the main narrative of BvS and wasn't essential to the main story of BvS. Delete that scene and it doesn't really affect nor change the movie. But the MacGuggin gauntlet and the Infinity Stones in MCU are part of the main narrative and essential to the main story. Loki comes to earth in The Avengers because he's looking for an Infinity Stone. Ronan the Big Bad Destroyer was trying to get the Infinity Stone before he was defeated by the silly Dance-Off. And Vision has an Infinity Stone in his head. So there should've already been an explanation about the MacGuffin gauntlets and the Infinity Stones. Again, no, because both appearances of the gloves were just Easter eggs. Had nothing to do with their film's plot. Doesn't matter if they were building up to the gloves. But even then, it's pretty self-explanatory what the gloves are and how they're powered up (with the infinity stones). As for why they were created and who, that'll most likely be explained in Infinity War. And you clearly don't know what a Macguffin is. It's something that both the protagonist and antagonist want in the story. I don't think any of the Avengers know what that glove is, let alone know that Thanks even has one. So not sure what you're trying to achieve by calling it a Macguffin. You're right, it may not have effected BvS that much if you took that scene out (personally the entire scene should have been taken out) but it is technically part of the overall narrative of Bruce and Diana and Lex knowing about the other Meta-humans in this universe, which was part of a subplot for the film. Now like the infinity gloves in Infinity War, the motherbox and why it created Cyborg will probably be explained in Justice League, so honestly, it doesn't bother me. But like a hypocrite you are, you can't go on to deride Marvel for not explaining something till the next film when DC is doing the same exact thing. Good try tho |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 25, 2017 1:57:34 GMT
it's pretty self-explanatory what the gloves are and how they're powered up (with the infinity stones). What isn't self-explanatory is why there are 2 gloves? Who created the gloves and if the gloves are by themselves useless (as 1 MCU fan suggested), then why did the glove-maker make 2 gloves that are basically useless? That's what I was looking to have explained in the movies. You're right, it may not have effected BvS that much if you took that scene out (personally the entire scene should have been taken out) but it is technically part of the overall narrative of Bruce and Diana and Lex knowing about the other Meta-humans in this universe, which was part of a subplot for the film. Now like the infinity gloves in Infinity War, the motherbox and why it created Cyborg will probably be explained in Justice League, so honestly, it doesn't bother me. But like a hypocrite you are, you can't go on to deride Marvel for not explaining something till the next film when DC is doing the same exact thing. No, you're trying to compare a mother box appearing for 1 second in 1 scene that wasn't part of the main story of the movie and didn't affect the man story of the movie vs the MacGuffin gauntlets and Infinity Stones which have appeared in several movies and have been a major part of the story in several movies. |
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