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Post by sdrew13163 on Jul 24, 2017 2:38:40 GMT
After BvS made the controversial choice to kill Superman, not many people were on board with the direction of the franchise. I thought that while the choice was surprisingly ballsy, it also didn't really earn it. Not to mention that now they can't really use the Death of Superman story again.
I believe that the way they bring back Superman will dictate how well Justice League is received. If it's inspiring and shocking, then it could truly lift the whole movie. If they botch it, then the whole movie may be ruined.
I hope it's a kick-ass, inspiring scene that makes us all remember why we fell in love with the character to begin with as a kid.
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Post by brownstones on Jul 24, 2017 3:35:49 GMT
After BvS made the controversial choice to kill Superman, not many people were on board with the direction of the franchise. I thought that while the choice was surprisingly ballsy, it also didn't really earn it. Not to mention that now they can't really use the Death of Superman story again. I believe that the way they bring back Superman will dictate how well Justice League is received. If it's inspiring and shocking, then it could truly lift the whole movie. If they botch it, then the whole movie may be ruined. I hope it's a kick-ass, inspiring scene that makes us all remember why we fell in love with the character to begin with as a kid. I may have to agree with this, while having Superman back in general will be nice, he has to come back in the right way.......so please god......no evil superman. I want his return to be clean, beautiful and powerful. But I also hope they (WB and the creatives) don't cave and bring back Williams theme. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 24, 2017 3:53:14 GMT
After BvS made the controversial choice to kill Superman, not many people were on board with the direction of the franchise. I thought that while the choice was surprisingly ballsy, it also didn't really earn it. Not to mention that now they can't really use the Death of Superman story again. I believe that the way they bring back Superman will dictate how well Justice League is received. If it's inspiring and shocking, then it could truly lift the whole movie. If they botch it, then the whole movie may be ruined. I hope it's a kick-ass, inspiring scene that makes us all remember why we fell in love with the character to begin with as a kid. Exactly.
They didn't earn it. It carried zero emotion weight and was completely wasted. It's a prime example of how bad the writing for DC has been and there are numerous examples that have contributed to the poor reception of the entire brand.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jul 24, 2017 4:06:43 GMT
After BvS made the controversial choice to kill Superman, not many people were on board with the direction of the franchise. I thought that while the choice was surprisingly ballsy, it also didn't really earn it. Not to mention that now they can't really use the Death of Superman story again. I believe that the way they bring back Superman will dictate how well Justice League is received. If it's inspiring and shocking, then it could truly lift the whole movie. If they botch it, then the whole movie may be ruined. I hope it's a kick-ass, inspiring scene that makes us all remember why we fell in love with the character to begin with as a kid. Exactly.
They didn't earn it. It carried zero emotion weight and was completely wasted. It's a prime example of how bad the writing for DC has been and there are numerous examples that have contributed to the poor reception of the entire brand.
I wouldn't say that it carried zero weight. I think it was done alright enough, but some patience would've been better. Showing Lois at the end helped a lot with the gut-punch, but ya, it could've been done better. Just out of curiosity, do you think you'll see Justice League? |
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jul 24, 2017 4:09:24 GMT
After BvS made the controversial choice to kill Superman, not many people were on board with the direction of the franchise. I thought that while the choice was surprisingly ballsy, it also didn't really earn it. Not to mention that now they can't really use the Death of Superman story again. I believe that the way they bring back Superman will dictate how well Justice League is received. If it's inspiring and shocking, then it could truly lift the whole movie. If they botch it, then the whole movie may be ruined. I hope it's a kick-ass, inspiring scene that makes us all remember why we fell in love with the character to begin with as a kid. I may have to agree with this, while having Superman back in general will be nice, he has to come back in the right way.......so please god......no evil superman. I want his return to be clean, beautiful and powerful. But I also hope they (WB and the creatives) don't cave and bring back Williams theme. I wouldn't mind some kind of dark rendition of the classic theme. Maybe dark isn't the right word, but something to fit the universe so far. From what we know about JL, Superman's classic theme would be grossly out of place. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 4:41:49 GMT
After BvS made the controversial choice to kill Superman, not many people were on board with the direction of the franchise. I thought that while the choice was surprisingly ballsy, it also didn't really earn it. Not to mention that now they can't really use the Death of Superman story again. I believe that the way they bring back Superman will dictate how well Justice League is received. If it's inspiring and shocking, then it could truly lift the whole movie. If they botch it, then the whole movie may be ruined. I hope it's a kick-ass, inspiring scene that makes us all remember why we fell in love with the character to begin with as a kid.
I want his return to be clean, beautiful and powerful. But I also hope they (WB and the creatives) don't cave and bring back Williams theme. Evil Superman is a guarantee. Its ZACK SNYDER. The man thrives on unearned bleakness. |
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Post by gromel on Jul 24, 2017 4:45:30 GMT
Whedon is running things now. Snyder is off mourning.
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Post by Winter_King on Jul 24, 2017 12:42:43 GMT
Gal Gadot had this to say apparently:
Let's hope she is right.
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Post by politicidal on Jul 24, 2017 15:02:17 GMT
Considering how much they're emphasizing that Superman will be revived as a more traditional characterization in Justice League, I really think that they plan to reset his arc for future DCEU films.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 17:03:49 GMT
Knowing how DC is going brighter, they will use this as a way to RESET Superman.
He will be more like the Donner/Reeve Superman movies from this film and on.
I wouldn't even be surprised if they didn't have the John Williams theme play as he returns in the sky.
I already know how it's going to go. The JL is going to be getting their asses kicked. Steppenwolf was sent instead of Darkseid because he didn't think they needed him to conquer Earth without a Kryptonian or Lantern.
Batman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Flash will look as if all hope is lost, then the SKY will crack open, the light with shine through, SUPERMAN WILL BURST INTO FRAME and the JW theme will play inspirationally and triumphantly.
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Post by brownstones on Jul 24, 2017 17:43:20 GMT
I may have to agree with this, while having Superman back in general will be nice, he has to come back in the right way.......so please god......no evil superman.
I want his return to be clean, beautiful and powerful. But I also hope they (WB and the creatives) don't cave and bring back Williams theme. Evil Superman is a guarantee. Its ZACK SNYDER. The man thrives on unearned bleakness. Hey, you responded to me.......are you ever going to acknowledge the bet? |
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Post by politicidal on Jul 24, 2017 20:04:20 GMT
Evil Superman is a guarantee. Its ZACK SNYDER. The man thrives on unearned bleakness. Hey, you responded to me.......are you ever going to acknowledge the bet? What bet? |
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Post by Larcen26 on Jul 24, 2017 20:28:53 GMT
After BvS made the controversial choice to kill Superman, not many people were on board with the direction of the franchise. I thought that while the choice was surprisingly ballsy, it also didn't really earn it. Not to mention that now they can't really use the Death of Superman story again. I believe that the way they bring back Superman will dictate how well Justice League is received. If it's inspiring and shocking, then it could truly lift the whole movie. If they botch it, then the whole movie may be ruined. I hope it's a kick-ass, inspiring scene that makes us all remember why we fell in love with the character to begin with as a kid. 100% agree. Unfortunately, he will return as a villain at first. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 20:33:23 GMT
After BvS made the controversial choice to kill Superman, not many people were on board with the direction of the franchise. I thought that while the choice was surprisingly ballsy, it also didn't really earn it. Not to mention that now they can't really use the Death of Superman story again. I believe that the way they bring back Superman will dictate how well Justice League is received. If it's inspiring and shocking, then it could truly lift the whole movie. If they botch it, then the whole movie may be ruined. I hope it's a kick-ass, inspiring scene that makes us all remember why we fell in love with the character to begin with as a kid. 100% agree. Unfortunately, he will return as a villain at first. I'm still wondering how we're supposed to get the more traditional Superman out of this. He'll return as a villain, justifying all the fear and hatred the public ever had about him, and all the fears and doubts he's ever had about himself. If anything, this should make him EVEN MORE depressed, distant, and angsty. |
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Post by Larcen26 on Jul 24, 2017 20:45:31 GMT
100% agree. Unfortunately, he will return as a villain at first. I'm still wondering how we're supposed to get the more traditional Superman out of this. He'll return as a villain, justifying all the fear and hatred the public ever had about him, and all the fears and doubts he's ever had about himself. If anything, this should make him EVEN MORE depressed, distant, and angsty. My theory is that him as a villain for the movie was the original choice, but upon the backlash of BvS, they decided that he will come back brainwashed for one big fight before he becomes himself again. Basically, he'll be Hawkeye in the original Avengers. Not sure how else they bring him back otherwise without making it the entire focus of the film. If Steppenwolf and/or Darkseid brings him back it is part of their greater plan and can fit into the rest of the narrative. Bruce just sticking him into the Kryptonian ship and hoping for the best would be really anti-climactic. |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jul 24, 2017 20:52:39 GMT
I thought that while the choice was surprisingly ballsy, it also didn't really earn it. Exactly.
They didn't earn it. It carried zero emotion weight and was completely wasted. It's a prime example of how bad the writing for DC has been and there are numerous examples that have contributed to the poor reception of the entire brand.
I agree that Quicksilver's death in AoU carried zero emotion weight and was completely wasted. It's a prime example of how bad the writing for AoU was and there are numerous examples that have contributed to the poor reception of that film. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 24, 2017 20:56:35 GMT
Exactly.
They didn't earn it. It carried zero emotion weight and was completely wasted. It's a prime example of how bad the writing for DC has been and there are numerous examples that have contributed to the poor reception of the entire brand.
I agree that Quicksilver's death in AoU carried zero emotion weight and was completely wasted. It's a prime example of how bad the writing for AoU was and there are numerous examples that have contributed to the poor reception of that film. Actually they built that up far better, and even if they hadn't you're trying to compare Quicksilver as though he's as important as Captain America. So it doesn't work like you're trying to make it sound. And Ultron was also received vastly better than MOS, SS, or BVS, so again, trying to compare them isn't working. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 21:10:57 GMT
I'm still wondering how we're supposed to get the more traditional Superman out of this. He'll return as a villain, justifying all the fear and hatred the public ever had about him, and all the fears and doubts he's ever had about himself. If anything, this should make him EVEN MORE depressed, distant, and angsty. My theory is that him as a villain for the movie was the original choice, but upon the backlash of BvS, they decided that he will come back brainwashed for one big fight before he becomes himself again. Basically, he'll be Hawkeye in the original Avengers. Not sure how else they bring him back otherwise without making it the entire focus of the film. If Steppenwolf and/or Darkseid brings him back it is part of their greater plan and can fit into the rest of the narrative. Bruce just sticking him into the Kryptonian ship and hoping for the best would be really anti-climactic. That still doesn't sound lightened enough to avert the psychological effects I just mentioned. |
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Post by brownstones on Jul 24, 2017 21:26:15 GMT
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Post by Larcen26 on Jul 24, 2017 21:29:54 GMT
My theory is that him as a villain for the movie was the original choice, but upon the backlash of BvS, they decided that he will come back brainwashed for one big fight before he becomes himself again. Basically, he'll be Hawkeye in the original Avengers. Not sure how else they bring him back otherwise without making it the entire focus of the film. If Steppenwolf and/or Darkseid brings him back it is part of their greater plan and can fit into the rest of the narrative. Bruce just sticking him into the Kryptonian ship and hoping for the best would be really anti-climactic. That still doesn't sound lightened enough to avert the psychological effects I just mentioned. I don't disagree. But I think the one big fight might not be in view of the public, so at least he doesn't have to deal with the public fallout. The internal strife? I can't say, but if you watch the SDCC Trailer, Batman says "Superman inspired people to be the best versions of themselves." (Or something like that) and that was in NO WAY shown in either of the Superman films...so either that is something they are establishing in JL (some sort of news montage with people doing acts of kindness in Supe's name or something.) OR, they are just retconning and hoping we don't notice...which potentially helps with the psychological problems. |
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