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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2018 16:17:22 GMT
There is a reason floods feature across most ancient cultures.
It's because all areas are subject to flooding more often than you think. Heavy rains, swollen rivers, tidal inundation, glacial run-off, melting ice caps, etc, etc. Floods are a common feature of weather and geomorphology.
It would be highly unlikely for any old culture to never have experienced flooding.
However, these flood events would have been localised... There was no great global flood event... That and all the past advanced civilisations circa 12,000BP guff that Graham Hancock makes up to sell books to the gullible is just that, guff.
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Post by MCDemuth on Jun 18, 2018 11:41:46 GMT
However, these flood events would have been localised... There was no great global flood event... If you are talking about "Noah's" flood as described in the Bible. It's still possible that people all around the world experienced, several "local" floods, at the same time, when the last ice age ended... and the mile thick glacier sheet that sat on top of where my home is located now, melted... and the survivors heard from other survivors about their floods, and concluded it was one "great global flood event".
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Post by Nalkarj on Jun 18, 2018 11:54:12 GMT
Just stumbled onto this thread today. Mine would be the California Zodiac murders, the murder of the Grimes sisters in Chicago and the murder of Valerie Percy near Chicago. I would have mentioned the East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker AKA The Golden State Killer case, but that one got solved recently. The Hinterkaifek murders are very strange as well. All very odd cases with no strong suspects in any of them. Welcome to the thread, Bargle! This thread has never really had much of a home, as it doesn’t exactly fit here in “Paranormal,” but it’s close enough. Excellent examples you bring up: I’m also very interested in the Zodiac and the Hinterkaifek cases (as well as the recently solved “EARONS case,” as they call it at the Unresolved Mysteries subreddit). I hadn’t heard of the Grimes sisters or Valerie Percy. One of the cases that really gets a lot of attention at that subreddit (other than JonBenét Ramsey, of course—which probably does require a post here) is the death/disappearance of Joan Risch in 1961. I only heard of the case a few days ago, but it’s wild: every time it seems like you’ve got a good theory, you remember some little niggling detail that upsets the apple-cart. I’m inclined to believe that she died of a botched abortion, but that still leaves so many details unexplained…
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Post by Nalkarj on Jun 18, 2018 12:00:14 GMT
Nope, Never heard of that case before... Very Interesting. It reminds me a lot of the Travis Walton UFO case, which the movie "Fire In The Sky" (1993) was based on. Both individuals were nowhere to be found, during a massive search which lasted for several days... The only difference is, there were eyewitnesses in the Travis Walton case, who claimed to know what happened to him, while he was missing. I think I’d heard of the Walton case, but thanks for reminding me—I’d forgotten the details. Good case, but Walton is either lying or telling the complete truth (and my skeptical side compels me to lean towards the former); there’s no grey area, as (I think) there is for Danny Filippidis. Was he amnesic? Is this all a hoax? Is there some other explanation? The whole thing reads like a book. I can see the back cover now—“man disappears off mountain, ends up on the other side of the country!” Both of them are very weird cases.
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Post by MCDemuth on Jun 18, 2018 13:54:52 GMT
Good case, but Walton is either lying or telling the complete truth (and my skeptical side compels me to lean towards the former); there’s no grey area The thing I find fascinating about the Travis Walton case, is this... IF... he was abducted by Aliens... Then it is one of the very few cases where it is known that Aliens took him away for days, while he was missing. The whole community was looking for him...Although they thought the logging crew might have murdered him. The movie is pretty much "true", as far as the events that happened involving the logging crew and the community. I understand Hollywood completely changed the events that Travis Walton has claimed to happened to him during his abduction... (However, that still doesn't change the fact when the scene where the needle is about to pierce Travis Walton's eye still creeps me out every time I see it! LOL!) I too am somewhat skeptical about his story... I don't know what to think. I have doubts about what Travis Walton has said, but my gut tells me that the Logging Crew was telling the truth. And that is a contradiction. Either a UFO scooped him up in the woods that night, or it didn't. Unless... The logging crew thought they saw a UFO, and then fled the scene... and Travis Walton sat back and laughed, because he faked the whole thing with strobe lights or something and the Logging crew wasn't in on it... We may never know the truth. as (I think) there is for Danny Filippidis. Was he amnesic? Is this all a hoax? Is there some other explanation? When it comes to Danny Filippidis, I too, have to wonder If he had temporary amnesia, possibly from accidentally skiing into a tree... That seems to be more likely that finding some spacial portal, or being abducted, and then suddenly being finding himself in Sacramento. But, I'm not sure if he "hoaxed" the whole thing or not. There doesn't seem to be anything to suggest or support that possibility.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 14:25:24 GMT
However, these flood events would have been localised... There was no great global flood event... If you are talking about "Noah's" flood as described in the Bible. It's still possible that people all around the world experienced, several "local" floods, at the same time, when the last ice age ended... and the mile thick glacier sheet that sat on top of where my home is located now, melted... and the survivors heard from other survivors about their floods, and concluded it was one "great global flood event". No, the fluctuation from a glacial to inter-glacial period wouldn't cause sudden catastrophic flooding anywhere. We know from the archaeological record that these periods naturally take a long time (couple of thousand years or more). There would be a gradual geomorphological change, a very gradual slow sea level change. Nobody alive would perceive it as a flood event. We are talking such a slow rate of sea level change that land flora could migrate away from it quick enough. Ps. That's also how we know that current climate change is undeniably anthropogenic, and possibly catastrophic.
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Post by MCDemuth on Jun 18, 2018 16:35:11 GMT
If you are talking about "Noah's" flood as described in the Bible. It's still possible that people all around the world experienced, several "local" floods, at the same time, when the last ice age ended... and the mile thick glacier sheet that sat on top of where my home is located now, melted... and the survivors heard from other survivors about their floods, and concluded it was one "great global flood event". No, the fluctuation from a glacial to inter-glacial period wouldn't cause sudden catastrophic flooding anywhere. We know from the archaeological record that these periods naturally take a long time (couple of thousand years or more). There would be a gradual geomorphological change, a very gradual slow sea level change. Nobody alive would perceive it as a flood event. We are talking such a slow rate of sea level change that land flora could migrate away from it quick enough. No... I will agree that most flood stories are exaggerated. But... An event like a massive meteor shower, or several volcanic eruptions, ( or a temporary heat wave) could have heated up the planet ( or North America) very quickly, even if it was for just a short time, and caused a lot of the ice to melt very quickly... Listen, don't tell me that ice doesn't melt quickly when you take it out of the freezer, and place it on a hot surface... I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN WITH MY OWN EYES!... And we are talking about a lot of ice, when it comes to those glaciers. That water didn't just stay where it melted and form a small lake... It would have gone everywhere. Scientists have already stated the ocean levels were 300 to 400 feet lower during the last ice age, than they are today, and we know from our own history, people chose to build communities where there were water sources to drink, and where they could build shipping ports where they could sail and fish, because they didn't have cars and trains back then to travel a hundred miles from higher elevations every day to where the water was! There are many of archaeological sites that have been found under lakes and under 400 feet of ocean all over the world... That could have only been in use during the last ice age, or before that... Hasn't it ever occurred to you, that the flood stories came from the survivors of those lost communities? After all, the people living there didn't abandon them, just because they didn't like their neighbors!... And if they did, that is one hell of a coincidence, that not long after they left, all those communities just happened to became permanently submerged... I think all these floods stories, as well as the story of Atlantis, have a core of truth to them. That water 'sunk" everything that they knew, and people were killed in the process... Something which had not happened to them in their recorded history. This was unprecedented. It's much more likely... Than a bunch of civilizations all over the planet coming up with almost the exact same "fictional" story, all happening at about the same time in history... when most civilizations hardly ever encountered other civilizations. And even if they were sharing stories... Why would one civilization, suddenly claim that a flood, also nearly wiped them out too, when they know such a thing never happened to them?... Because it was the cool thing to do? I don't think so!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 16:48:41 GMT
No, the fluctuation from a glacial to inter-glacial period wouldn't cause sudden catastrophic flooding anywhere. We know from the archaeological record that these periods naturally take a long time (couple of thousand years or more). There would be a gradual geomorphological change, a very gradual slow sea level change. Nobody alive would perceive it as a flood event. We are talking such a slow rate of sea level change that land flora could migrate away from it quick enough. No... I will agree that most flood stories are exaggerated. But... An event like a massive meteor shower, or several volcanic eruptions, ( or a temporary heat wave) could have heated up the planet ( or North America) very quickly, even if it was for just a short time, and caused a lot of the ice to melt very quickly... Listen, don't tell me that ice doesn't melt quickly when you take it out of the freezer, and place it on a hot surface... I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN WITH MY OWN EYES!... And we are talking about a lot of ice, when it comes to those glaciers. That water didn't just stay where it melted and form a small lake... It would have gone everywhere. Scientists have already stated the ocean levels were 300 to 400 feet lower during the last ice age, than they are today, and we know from our own history, people chose to build communities where there were water sources to drink, and where they could build shipping ports where they could sail and fish, because they didn't have cars and trains back then to travel a hundred miles from higher elevations every day to where the water was! There are many of archaeological sites that have been found under lakes and under 400 feet of ocean all over the world... That could have only been in use during the last ice age, or before that... Hasn't it ever occurred to you, that the flood stories came from the survivors of those lost communities? After all, the people living there didn't abandon them, just because they didn't like their neighbors!... And if they did, that is one hell of a coincidence, that not long after they left, all those communities just happened to became permanently submerged... I think all these floods stories, as well as the story of Atlantis, have a core of truth to them. That water 'sunk" everything that they knew, and people were killed in the process... Something which had not happened to them in their recorded history. This was unprecedented. It's much more likely... Than a bunch of civilizations all over the planet coming up with almost the exact same "fictional" story, all happening at about the same time in history... when most civilizations hardly ever encountered other civilizations. And even if they were sharing stories... Why would one civilization, suddenly claim that a flood, also nearly wiped them out too, when they know such a thing never happened to them?... Because it was the cool thing to do? I don't think so! OK, you believe that if you want... But I gotta tell you that's nonsense, flying in the face of all the factual scientific evidence... But as an archaeologist, I'm probably part of a global conspiracy hiding the truth for the lizard illuminati overlords.
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Post by hi224 on Jun 25, 2018 16:26:37 GMT
What happened to my pastrami sandwich, captivaying.
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