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Post by Terrapin Station on Aug 1, 2017 16:00:12 GMT
Give me an example of acting that you both think is bad and that you find entertaining. (I mean a specific example, where you say what you think is bad and what you think is entertaining about it.) Tommy Wiseau's acting in The Room. "I mean a specific example, where you say what you think is bad and what you think is entertaining about it."So what's bad about it is _______?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 16:08:44 GMT
Tommy Wiseau's acting in The Room. "I mean a specific example, where you say what you think is bad and what you think is entertaining about it."So what's bad about it is _______?
And what's entertaining about it is ________?Thanks for asking so nicely... It's bad because he can't speak clearly, because he can't say his lines realistically, because he makes weird and inappropriate facial expressions and movements. It's entertaining for the exact same reasons, especially the WAY he does it. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Aug 1, 2017 16:11:49 GMT
"I mean a specific example, where you say what you think is bad and what you think is entertaining about it."So what's bad about it is _______?
And what's entertaining about it is ________?Thanks for asking so nicely... It's bad because he can't speak clearly, because he can't say his lines realistically, because he makes weird and inappropriate facial expressions and movements. It's entertaining for the exact same reasons, especially the WAY he does it. Okay, so what does "bad" refer to in your usage? It doesn't refer to something that someone should try to avoid doing, does it? What does it refer to? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 16:18:21 GMT
Thanks for asking so nicely... It's bad because he can't speak clearly, because he can't say his lines realistically, because he makes weird and inappropriate facial expressions and movements. It's entertaining for the exact same reasons, especially the WAY he does it. Okay, so what does "bad" refer to in your usage? It doesn't refer to something that someone should try to avoid doing, does it? What does it refer to? It refers to his acting. I have no idea what you mean. Ofcourse an actor should avoid doing all those things I listed. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Aug 1, 2017 17:02:33 GMT
Okay, so what does "bad" refer to in your usage? It doesn't refer to something that someone should try to avoid doing, does it? What does it refer to? It refers to his acting. I have no idea what you mean. Ofcourse an actor should avoid doing all those things I listed. Right, so someone should avoid doing things that you find entertaining? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 17:04:35 GMT
It refers to his acting. I have no idea what you mean. Ofcourse an actor should avoid doing all those things I listed. Right, so someone should avoid doing things that you find entertaining? You think an actor wants me to be entertained by the fact that he can't act? |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Aug 1, 2017 17:10:30 GMT
Right, so someone should avoid doing things that you find entertaining? You think an actor wants me to be entertained by the fact that he can't act? We'd have to ask them, but what would that have to do with whether it's coherent for you to say that the same this is both bad and entertaining? Yes or no, do you feel that someone should avoid doing things that you find entertaining? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 17:17:17 GMT
You think an actor wants me to be entertained by the fact that he can't act? We'd have to ask them, but what would that have to do with whether it's coherent for you to say that the same this is both bad and entertaining? Yes or no, do you feel that someone should avoid doing things that you find entertaining? You're not being coherent. What does me thinking something is bad and entertaining at the same time have to do with other people's reasons for doing things? They created something, they put it out there and I have my opinion on it. That's it. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 17:40:56 GMT
No i don`t understand how anybody can enjoy that movie, You really don't understand how the badness of that movie can be enjoyable to someone? Either way, The Room is a perfect example of bad acting that many find enjoyable. No i don`t understand how people can enjoy that movie. If they do fine i don`t care. |
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 1, 2017 17:59:46 GMT
That's not necessarily true. Sometime you like things because they remind you of childhood memories, or nostalgia. You sometimes associate an image, the look of a person, the sound of a song, the 'feel' of the mood etc... and you have a conditioned response to that particular film. I know I LOVE "Home Alone 3" and it's a guilty pleasure of mine. By NO MEANS does it fit my standards of what I think a GOOD film is. It's because the mom reminds me of my mom when I was a kid. I know that now. I didn't understand why I liked it so much before. Also, there are a few scenes that remind me of my childhood growing up, and the way the boy talks (accent). Looking back on it now, I know it's about as good as a Disney Channel Original Film, but I also understand why I loved it so much, it's association with specific details from my past, a conditioned response. I hear the kid talk, I see the mom, etc.. and it warms my heart. Nostalgia. But then you'd simply not be very exact in your speech if you're saying that you like Home Alone 3. What you like is being reminded of your mom and specific things about your childhood. The movie is catalyzing that, but it's not the movie you're liking, it's the memories. We need to be specific about what we actually like and dislike. I think what you are missing here as that many people have different criteria about what makes a movie good and none of it is wrong imo. If a movie evokes memories of your childhood than that makes the movie good but only good for that person. It can never be an exact science because every person has biases and is hypocritical whether they admit it or not.
I am not a movie critic, I rate and judge movies based on what I enjoy and what I consider good, what I find interesting and what I relate to. Do I enjoy watching certain awful movies? yes. But that type of filmmaking isn't something that should be praised or encouraged.
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 1, 2017 18:02:19 GMT
You really don't understand how the badness of that movie can be enjoyable to someone? Either way, The Room is a perfect example of bad acting that many find enjoyable. No i don`t understand how people can enjoy that movie. If they do fine i don`t care. It seems like you just kind of admitted that guilty pleasure is a real thing in saying that you don't understand how anyone can enjoy The Room, while knowing that the movie is a cult classic. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Aug 1, 2017 18:08:31 GMT
We'd have to ask them, but what would that have to do with whether it's coherent for you to say that the same this is both bad and entertaining? Yes or no, do you feel that someone should avoid doing things that you find entertaining? You're not being coherent. What does me thinking something is bad and entertaining at the same time have to do with other people's reasons for doing things? They created something, they put it out there and I have my opinion on it. That's it. I didnt say that it did have anything to do with that. You brought up someone else and what they think--the actor. I didn't bring that up. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 18:10:42 GMT
You really don't understand how the badness of that movie can be enjoyable to someone? Either way, The Room is a perfect example of bad acting that many find enjoyable. No i don`t understand how people can enjoy that movie. If they do fine i don`t care. Okay, so you're completely incapable of understanding that someone might enjoy the bad qualities of that movie. The point is that people enjoy the acting precisely because it's bad, not because it's different or because of the intentions of the creators. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Aug 1, 2017 18:15:14 GMT
I think what you are missing here as that many people have different criteria about what makes a movie good and none of it is wrong imo. I'm not missing that at all, and I couldn't agree more. What you're not understanding re my comment is that a movie triggering memories for you is not a formal property of the movie. So if what you're enjoying is the memories, it's not the movie that you're enjoying. (The movie is its formal properties.) The point is that it's incoherent to say that what you're enjoying is identical to what you feel is awful. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Aug 1, 2017 18:17:51 GMT
No i don`t understand how people can enjoy that movie. If they do fine i don`t care. Okay, so you're completely incapable of understanding that someone might enjoy the bad qualities of that movie. The point is that people enjoy the acting precisely because it's bad, not because it's different or because of the intentions of the creators. You still haven't answered if, in your view, someone should avoid doing something you find entertaining. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 18:28:33 GMT
You still haven't answered if, in your view, someone should avoid doing something you find entertaining. I don't have to answer anything, especially not a question that's totally irrelevant. I have no opinion on what they should avoid. They don't know me, they should do whatever they like. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Aug 1, 2017 18:31:39 GMT
You still haven't answered if, in your view, someone should avoid doing something you find entertaining. I don't have to answer anything, especially not a question that's totally irrelevant. I have no opinion on what they should avoid. They don't know me, they should do whatever they like. You're reading the question too "literally." Another way to ask the same thing is, would you prefer if people didn't do things that you find entertaining? Don't you want to be entertained? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 18:44:12 GMT
I don't have to answer anything, especially not a question that's totally irrelevant. I have no opinion on what they should avoid. They don't know me, they should do whatever they like. You're reading the question too "literally." Another way to ask the same thing is, would you prefer if people didn't do things that you find entertaining? Don't you want to be entertained? That still has nothing to do with me finding something bad and entertaining at the same time. I consider movies like that a happy accident, most bad movies are not entertaining. But I don't need people to make such films, I can just as easily be entertained by a movie that's good or average. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Aug 1, 2017 19:04:19 GMT
You're reading the question too "literally." Another way to ask the same thing is, would you prefer if people didn't do things that you find entertaining? Don't you want to be entertained? That still has nothing to do with me finding something bad and entertaining at the same time. I consider movies like that a happy accident, most bad movies are not entertaining. But I don't need people to make such films, I can just as easily be entertained by a movie that's good or average. The relevance is that you're thus using "bad" to refer to qualities that you'd prefer to experience rather than not experience. So it begins to be a mystery what qualities "bad" could possibly map to in your usage, and what relation the term has to the normal usage of "bad." |
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 1, 2017 19:06:20 GMT
I think what you are missing here as that many people have different criteria about what makes a movie good and none of it is wrong imo. I'm not missing that at all, and I couldn't agree more. What you're not understanding re my comment is that a movie triggering memories for you is not a formal property of the movie. So if what you're enjoying is the memories, it's not the movie that you're enjoying. (The movie is its formal properties.) The point is that it's incoherent to say that what you're enjoying is identical to what you feel is awful. It doesn't matter if it's a formal property of the movie because the person is NOT A CRITIC. They like the movie because of the memories it evokes but I am sure that is not the only reason they enjoy it. Then again filmmakers add things because they know it will evoke memories in people and that is often a quality of great filmmaking because the director does it purposely. Just like someone who watches a movie about someone dying of cancer, the movie will have a far more profound effect on them if they know someone who died of cancer or has cancer etc.
It isn't incoherent to say I am enjoying something I think is awful. People have conflicting emotions and thoughts all the time. It's like going to a car race in hopes of seeing an accident. It's a bad thing but you find watching it entertaining. Do I think boxing is an idiotic sport that shouldn't exist? yes, but it can still be fun to watch.
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