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Post by mcufan on Jul 28, 2017 7:50:25 GMT
It depends on the expectation. What does underperform mean to you? It should be the highest-grossing MCU movie of all-time, including inflation adjustment. Anything less and the whole thing was a waste of time and a proven failure. But if it is the highest grossing MCU movie will you bow to it? |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jul 29, 2017 2:43:39 GMT
It should be the highest-grossing MCU movie of all-time, including inflation adjustment. Anything less and the whole thing was a waste of time and a proven failure. But if it is the highest grossing MCU movie will you bow to it?  |
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Post by skribb on Jul 29, 2017 14:56:53 GMT
Colden exaggerating as always.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jul 29, 2017 15:23:17 GMT
Colden exaggerating as always. Well, now -- hear me out, mang: in all seriousness, take the MCU and all of that piss-taking and put it aside momentarily: if the goal of any nonspecific movie franchise is to present a series of interconnected filmic installments of the same universe that periodically converge and ultimately climax in one huge event, should it not follow that if the people who scripted/directed/produced/marketed said franchise did so effectively the final event should, in fact, be a financial peak, as well? The goal is to make the stories increasingly interesting and ever more profitable, correct? This is the culmination. So I ask you, then: why shouldn't it make the most money? |
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Post by skribb on Jul 29, 2017 16:37:26 GMT
Colden exaggerating as always. Well, now -- hear me out, mang: in all seriousness, take the MCU and all of that piss-taking and put it aside momentarily: if the goal of any nonspecific movie franchise is to present a series of interconnected filmic installments of the same universe that periodically converge and ultimately climax in one huge event, should it not follow that if the people who scripted/directed/produced/marketed said franchise did so effectively the final event should, in fact, be a financial peak, as well? The goal is to make the stories increasingly interesting and ever more profitable, correct? This is the culmination. So I ask you, then: why shouldn't it make the most money? while I agree with everything you said we have to take into account the number one factor in its profitability: the audience. And while it is possible to somewhat engineer a film's popularity thru marketing etc etc, the bottom line is that the audience is fickle and can't be predicted to buy tickets to a certain movie. www.statista.com/statistics/264396/frequency-of-going-to-the-movies-in-the-us/45 percent of US population "almost never" or "never" go to the cinema. Most people go less than a few times per year (I assume the statistics are similar all over the world). So you can never guarantee that Infinity War WILL gross more than any other MCU movie so far. Normal moviegoers can be like "ANOTHER avengers movie? nah i'm bored with Marvel now" at any point in time. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 29, 2017 17:13:23 GMT
It should be the highest-grossing MCU movie of all-time, including inflation adjustment. Anything less and the whole thing was a waste of time and a proven failure. But if it is the highest grossing MCU movie will you bow to it? Infinity War won't be the highest grossing MCU movie. The Han Solo movie is being released 3 weeks after Infinity War so it's going to put a huge dent in Infinity War's box office just like War for the Planet of the Apes put a huge dent in SMH's box office. |
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Jul 29, 2017 17:51:25 GMT
Too many characters. The Guardians of the Galaxy simply should not be in this movie. I don't care that they have a connection to Thanos, this is an Avengers movie and the GotG will not only overstuff an already jam packed roster they will also completely distract from the major character arcs of the original characters and drastically alter the tone. Its like BvS where everyone was so damn excited to see Batman meet Superman without realizing what a mistake it was to even make that movie.
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Post by barkingbaphomet on Jul 29, 2017 18:22:32 GMT
Thanos will be mischaracterized.
Thanos will look stupid (i did not like his armor in his GotG appearance).
the Guardians' and Avengers' tones will clash.
the overall narrative will suffer from balancing such a large cast's screentime.
i'm really very curious how they are going to approach this story. it's hard to imagine mainstream audiences accepting it if it does, in fact, follow the comic.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jul 29, 2017 19:16:45 GMT
I'm afraid that the silly tone of the Guardians will ruin the darker tone this movie seems to be going for.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 29, 2017 19:47:14 GMT
I'm afraid that the silly tone of the Guardians will ruin the darker tone this movie seems to be going for. So this will be another MCU movie that treats war as a big joke and Thanos will be defeated by another silly dance-Off? |
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Jul 29, 2017 20:01:01 GMT
I'm afraid that the silly tone of the Guardians will ruin the darker tone this movie seems to be going for. Absolutely! The very presence of Rocket and Groot will completely alter the movie's tone. They shouldn't be in this movie. The levity should come from Stark's wit or banter between the core Avengers, not from the goofy lowbrow humor of the GotG characters. |
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Post by judgejosephdredd on Jul 29, 2017 20:02:23 GMT
I'm afraid that the silly tone of the Guardians will ruin the darker tone this movie seems to be going for. So this will be another MCU movie that treats war as a big joke and Thanos will be defeated by another silly dance-Off? Ronan. Was. Not. Defeated. By. A. Dance. Off. |
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Post by judgejosephdredd on Jul 29, 2017 20:03:15 GMT
But if it is the highest grossing MCU movie will you bow to it? Infinity War won't be the highest grossing MCU movie. The Han Solo movie is being released 3 weeks after Infinity War so it's going to put a huge dent in Infinity War's box office just like War for the Planet of the Apes put a huge dent in SMH's box office. Thing is a lot of people feel a Han Solo prequel is not necessary as it undermines the mystery of his character, Infinity War has been built up since the end of Avengers 1. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jul 29, 2017 20:03:49 GMT
Well, now -- hear me out, mang: in all seriousness, take the MCU and all of that piss-taking and put it aside momentarily: if the goal of any nonspecific movie franchise is to present a series of interconnected filmic installments of the same universe that periodically converge and ultimately climax in one huge event, should it not follow that if the people who scripted/directed/produced/marketed said franchise did so effectively the final event should, in fact, be a financial peak, as well? The goal is to make the stories increasingly interesting and ever more profitable, correct? This is the culmination. So I ask you, then: why shouldn't it make the most money? while I agree with everything you said we have to take into account the number one factor in its profitability: the audience. And while it is possible to somewhat engineer a film's popularity thru marketing etc etc, the bottom line is that the audience is fickle and can't be predicted to buy tickets to a certain movie. www.statista.com/statistics/264396/frequency-of-going-to-the-movies-in-the-us/45 percent of US population "almost never" or "never" go to the cinema. Most people go less than a few times per year (I assume the statistics are similar all over the world). So you can never guarantee that Infinity War WILL gross more than any other MCU movie so far. Normal moviegoers can be like "ANOTHER avengers movie? nah i'm bored with Marvel now" at any point in time. Sure, that's fair. There always an element of unpredictability to all of it, but I guess I just meant more that, like, if they set the stakes properly from a narrative standpoint, captured that with their consistently well-received and generally high production values, and then conveyed all of THAT effectively enough via their extremely disciplined, first-rate marketing team there's almost no reason why anyone who has even a fleeting interest in MCU fare shouldn't feel almost obligated to see it. It SHOULD make a fuckload of money, and I'd honestly be shocked if it didn't. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jul 29, 2017 20:05:48 GMT
Infinity War won't be the highest grossing MCU movie. The Han Solo movie is being released 3 weeks after Infinity War so it's going to put a huge dent in Infinity War's box office just like War for the Planet of the Apes put a huge dent in SMH's box office. Thing is a lot of people feel a Han Solo prequel is not necessary as it undermines the mystery of his character, Infinity War has been built up since the end of Avengers 1. I have no interest in the Han movie, and it's for the opposite reasons. We already got THREE "young Han Solo" movies called Star Wars, Empire, and Jedi! Just like Rogue and TFA/TLJ Disney can't seem to come up with anything storywise that organically needs to be told. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jul 29, 2017 20:07:15 GMT
Thanos will be mischaracterized. Thanos will look stupid (i did not like his armor in his GotG appearance). the Guardians' and Avengers' tones will clash. the overall narrative will suffer from balancing such a large cast's screentime. i'm really very curious how they are going to approach this story. it's hard to imagine mainstream audiences accepting it if it does, in fact, follow the comic.What aspect(s) of the story do you think are gonna be the most problematic in terms of audience reception? |
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Post by barkingbaphomet on Jul 29, 2017 20:44:21 GMT
Thanos will be mischaracterized. Thanos will look stupid (i did not like his armor in his GotG appearance). the Guardians' and Avengers' tones will clash. the overall narrative will suffer from balancing such a large cast's screentime. i'm really very curious how they are going to approach this story. it's hard to imagine mainstream audiences accepting it if it does, in fact, follow the comic.What aspect(s) of the story do you think are gonna be the most problematic in terms of audience reception? don't want to ruin anything for people who don't read... mostly, all of our established heroes being led to their violent deaths to serve as a distraction. i just can't see that flying with people, by and large.
then there's the celestials, which are a pretty weird pill to swallow, even after Guardians dipped their thematic toes in.
but i think it's pretty likely that it'll hardly resemble the Starlin story in the first place. Age of Ultron and Civil War took the names and little else from those storylines. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jul 29, 2017 21:15:16 GMT
What aspect(s) of the story do you think are gonna be the most problematic in terms of audience reception? don't want to ruin anything for people who don't read... Doesn't this also involve like Adam Warlock or something? And like the Magus or whatever? |
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Jul 29, 2017 23:58:27 GMT
Too many characters. The Guardians of the Galaxy simply should not be in this movie. I don't care that they have a connection to Thanos, this is an Avengers movie and the GotG will not only overstuff an already jam packed roster they will also completely distract from the major character arcs of the original characters and drastically alter the tone. Its like BvS where everyone was so damn excited to see Batman meet Superman without realizing what a mistake it was to even make that movie. This! |
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Post by agentblue on Jul 30, 2017 0:04:13 GMT
Too many characters. The Guardians of the Galaxy simply should not be in this movie. I don't care that they have a connection to Thanos, this is an Avengers movie and the GotG will not only overstuff an already jam packed roster they will also completely distract from the major character arcs of the original characters and drastically alter the tone. Its like BvS where everyone was so damn excited to see Batman meet Superman without realizing what a mistake it was to even make that movie. I so cant wait for the guardians and avengers to interact awesomeness. |
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