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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 28, 2017 1:25:26 GMT
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Post by brownstones on Jul 28, 2017 1:37:41 GMT
I think WB is very good at this game.....I mean they got Mad Max in very important categories, a film you can argue definitely doesn't feel like an Oscar film in the slightest.
And we can't forget....Suicide Squad (lol, wtf).....Suicide Squad.
So WB will probably manage to get something in there for WW.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 28, 2017 3:25:49 GMT
It's a longshot and it would take a perfect storm for Wonder Woman to get a Best Picture Oscar nomination, but we seem to be getting a "perfect storm" for Wonder Woman, considering that: 1. After The Dark Knight was snubbed for an Oscar nomination in the 2008 award year, the Academy increased the maximum number of Best Picture nominees to 10 starting with the 2009 award year. If there were still only 5 nominees, then obviously Wonder Woman and all other CBMs have no chance at a Best Picture nomination. But with a maximum of 10 nominees, there's a chance because: 2. While the Academy nominated 10 movies for Best Picture in the 2009 and 2010 award years, it has nominated only 8 or 9 movies in every award year since then. That means there have only been 8 or 9 movies that the Academy has felt is Oscar-worthy in the past 6 award years. So if the Academy nominates only 8 or 9 movies this year, that still leaves them a spot to nominate Wonder Woman without having to remove another worthy picture. 3. The Golden Globes last year nominated a CBM for Best Picture for the 1st time ever ( Deadpool, although that was for a comedy category) so the Academy may be ready this year to nominate a CBM for Best Picture for the 1st time ever. 4. Wonder Woman has received the most press coverage and has been the most talked-about movie this summer. And with Professor Marston & the Wonder Woman being released in October, Wonder Woman will inevitably receive even more press coverage in the Fall. 5. The Academy has been criticized a lot in recent years for the lack of diversity in their nominations. Wonder Woman gives the Academy a great opportunity to be more inclusive with their nominations and silence some of those complaints.
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Post by darkpast on Jul 28, 2017 3:26:40 GMT
Logan was far better, better acting by far
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 28, 2017 4:27:35 GMT
It's a longshot and it would take a perfect storm for Wonder Woman to get a Best Picture Oscar nomination, but we seem to be getting a "perfect storm" for Wonder Woman, considering that: 1. After The Dark Knight was snubbed for an Oscar nomination in the 2008 award year, the Academy increased the maximum number of Best Picture nominees to 10 starting with the 2009 award year. If there were still only 5 nominees, then obviously Wonder Woman and all other CBMs have no chance at a Best Picture nomination. But with a maximum of 10 nominees, there's a chance because: 2. While the Academy nominated 10 movies for Best Picture in the 2009 and 2010 award years, it has nominated only 8 or 9 movies in every award year since then. That means there have only been 8 or 9 movies that the Academy has felt is Oscar-worthy in the past 6 award years. So if the Academy nominates only 8 or 9 movies this year, that still leaves them a spot to nominate Wonder Woman without having to remove another worthy picture. 3. The Golden Globes last year nominated a CBM for Best Picture for the 1st time ever ( Deadpool, although that was for a comedy category) so the Academy may be ready this year to nominate a CBM for Best Picture for the 1st time ever. 4. Wonder Woman has received the most press coverage and has been the most talked-about movie this summer. And with Professor Marston & the Wonder Woman being released in October, Wonder Woman will inevitably receive even more press coverage in the Fall. 5. The Academy has been criticized a lot in recent years for the lack of diversity in their nominations. Wonder Woman gives the Academy a great opportunity to be more inclusive with their nominations and silence some of those complaints. 1. The Academy has not nominated a single comic based film in the nine years since TDK's release. They're allowed more entries, but none of them are based on comic properties. 2. The Golden Globes do no operate the same way as BAFTA and The Academy Awards do, and are so meaningless in the grander scheme of things it can be summarized as just a more mature version of the MTV Movie Awards if you ask Gary Oldman. 3. Oscar campaigns mean nothing if the movie isn't nominated when all is said and done. WB launched a big campaign for The Dark Knight Rises in late 2012, it earned zero nominations at the 2013 Oscars, not even technical recognition. 4. Professor Marston & the Wonder Woman is not a guaranteed Oscar buzzer, it may be coming in October which is part of Oscar season but the director's prior work doesn't exactly suggest they can deliver a critical darling with ease, besides Professor Marston & the Wonder Woman they've also done D.E.B.S. and Herbie Fully Loaded, they're TV credits are fine I suppose but nothing outstanding.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jul 28, 2017 4:37:38 GMT
As darkpast said, if WW gets nominated, then Logan has to as well. Logan is better.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 28, 2017 4:44:04 GMT
It's a longshot and it would take a perfect storm for Wonder Woman to get a Best Picture Oscar nomination, but we seem to be getting a "perfect storm" for Wonder Woman, considering that: 1. After The Dark Knight was snubbed for an Oscar nomination in the 2008 award year, the Academy increased the maximum number of Best Picture nominees to 10 starting with the 2009 award year. If there were still only 5 nominees, then obviously Wonder Woman and all other CBMs have no chance at a Best Picture nomination. But with a maximum of 10 nominees, there's a chance because: 2. While the Academy nominated 10 movies for Best Picture in the 2009 and 2010 award years, it has nominated only 8 or 9 movies in every award year since then. That means there have only been 8 or 9 movies that the Academy has felt is Oscar-worthy in the past 6 award years. So if the Academy nominates only 8 or 9 movies this year, that still leaves them a spot to nominate Wonder Woman without having to remove another worthy picture. 3. The Golden Globes last year nominated a CBM for Best Picture for the 1st time ever ( Deadpool, although that was for a comedy category) so the Academy may be ready this year to nominate a CBM for Best Picture for the 1st time ever. 4. Wonder Woman has received the most press coverage and has been the most talked-about movie this summer. And with Professor Marston & the Wonder Woman being released in October, Wonder Woman will inevitably receive even more press coverage in the Fall. 5. The Academy has been criticized a lot in recent years for the lack of diversity in their nominations. Wonder Woman gives the Academy a great opportunity to be more inclusive with their nominations and silence some of those complaints. 1. The Academy has not nominated a single comic based film in the nine years since TDK's release. They're allowed more entries, but none of them are based on comic properties. 2. The Golden Globes do no operate the same way as BAFTA and The Academy Awards do, and are so meaningless in the grander scheme of things it can be summarized as just a more mature version of the MTV Movie Awards if you ask Gary Oldman. 3. Oscar campaigns mean nothing if the movie isn't nominated when all is said and done. WB launched a big campaign for The Dark Knight Rises in late 2012, it earned zero nominations at the 2013 Oscars, not even technical recognition. 4. Professor Marston & the Wonder Woman is not a guaranteed Oscar buzzer, it may be coming in October which is part of Oscar season but the director's prior work doesn't exactly suggest they can deliver a critical darling with ease, besides Professor Marston & the Wonder Woman they've also done D.E.B.S. and Herbie Fully Loaded, they're TV credits are fine I suppose but nothing outstanding. 1. There hasn't been a CBM worthy of a Best Picture Oscar nomination since TDK until now, with Wonder Woman. 2. No, the Golden Globes is often a reliable predictor of which movies will be nominated for a Best Picture Oscar. 40 of the last 45 movies that were nominated for a "Golden Globe Best Motion Picture - Drama" were also nominated for a Best Picture Oscar.
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Post by northernlad on Jul 28, 2017 4:46:41 GMT
Love the movie...but still don't see it happening. It's good. But it's not as good as what their standards are. (And for the record...I don't think much of their standards.)
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 28, 2017 4:54:15 GMT
As darkpast said, if WW gets nominated, then Logan has to as well. Logan is better. With the Golden Globes last year nominating a CBM for Best Picture for the 1st time ever ( Deadpool, although that was for a Comedy category), the Academy might be ready this year to nominate a CBM for Best Picture for the 1st time ever. But it's unlikely that the Academy will nominate 2 CBMs for Best Picture this year so it could be either Wonder Woman or Logan but not both. Wonder Woman has a better chance than Logan of getting the Best Picture Oscar nomination because: 1. Wonder Woman has gotten much more media coverage than Logan and will get even more media coverage when Professor Marston & the Wonder Women is released in October. And an Oscar campaign by WB will help Wonder Woman as well. 2. Like I said before, the Academy has been criticized a lot in recent years for the lack of diversity in their nominations. So if the Academy is going to nominate a CBM for Best Picture, they're going to choose Wonder Woman over Logan because Wonder Woman gives the Academy a great opportunity to be more inclusive with their nominations and silence some of those complaints.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 28, 2017 5:02:36 GMT
1. The Academy has not nominated a single comic based film in the nine years since TDK's release. They're allowed more entries, but none of them are based on comic properties. 2. The Golden Globes do no operate the same way as BAFTA and The Academy Awards do, and are so meaningless in the grander scheme of things it can be summarized as just a more mature version of the MTV Movie Awards if you ask Gary Oldman. 3. Oscar campaigns mean nothing if the movie isn't nominated when all is said and done. WB launched a big campaign for The Dark Knight Rises in late 2012, it earned zero nominations at the 2013 Oscars, not even technical recognition. 4. Professor Marston & the Wonder Woman is not a guaranteed Oscar buzzer, it may be coming in October which is part of Oscar season but the director's prior work doesn't exactly suggest they can deliver a critical darling with ease, besides Professor Marston & the Wonder Woman they've also done D.E.B.S. and Herbie Fully Loaded, they're TV credits are fine I suppose but nothing outstanding. 1. There hasn't been a CBM worthy of a Best Picture Oscar nomination since TDK until now, with Wonder Woman. 2. No, the Golden Globes is often a reliable predictor of which movies will be nominated for a Best Picture Oscar. 40 of the last 45 movies that were nominated for a "Golden Globe Best Motion Picture - Drama" were also nominated for a Best Picture Oscar. 1. In YOUR opinion, other people feel Logan is far more deserving of such. 2. Not according to players in the industry, like Gary Oldman who was in Nolan's Batman trilogy as Jim Gordon. Deadpool was nominated for Best Picture in the category of Comedy, it did not continue that trend to be nominated at The Academy Awards for Best Picture, neither was Ryan Reynolds for his acting as the titular character.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jul 28, 2017 5:04:24 GMT
As darkpast said, if WW gets nominated, then Logan has to as well. Logan is better. With the Golden Globes last year nominating a CBM for Best Picture for the 1st time ever ( Deadpool, although that was for a Comedy category), the Academy might be ready this year to nominate a CBM for Best Picture for the 1st time ever. But it's unlikely that the Academy will nominate 2 CBMs for Best Picture this year so it could be either Wonder Woman or Logan but not both. Wonder Woman has a better chance than Logan of getting the Best Picture Oscar nomination because: 1. Wonder Woman has gotten much more media coverage than Logan and will get even more media coverage when Professor Marston & the Wonder Women is released in October. And an Oscar campaign by WB will help Wonder Woman as well. 2. Like I said before, the Academy has been criticized a lot in recent years for the lack of diversity in their nominations. So if the Academy is going to nominate a CBM for Best Picture, they're going to choose Wonder Woman over Logan because Wonder Woman gives the Academy a great opportunity to be more inclusive with their nominations and silence some of those complaints. That second point is exactly why I don't put any stock into anything the Academy does anymore. If a person or movie is only nominated because the protagonist is black or female then the system is broken. If a movie is nominated because the director is a female, then the system is broken. It's an awards show. That'd be like giving the NBA MVP Award to a white guy just because they haven't been in the running enough. It's about who does what the best. Not what pleases the rabid media. Not to mention that it actually hurts minorities. If I was black and nominated for an Oscar, how would I know if I was actually that good or if they're just using me for their own political agenda? Obviously women directors, black directors, Asian directors, black actors etc. are just as entitled to being nominated and winning an Oscar as white people are. But they don't deserve any special treatment.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 28, 2017 5:06:36 GMT
As darkpast said, if WW gets nominated, then Logan has to as well. Logan is better. With the Golden Globes last year nominating a CBM for Best Picture for the 1st time ever ( Deadpool, although that was for a Comedy category), the Academy might be ready this year to nominate a CBM for Best Picture for the 1st time ever. But it's unlikely that the Academy will nominate 2 CBMs for Best Picture this year so it could be either Wonder Woman or Logan but not both. Wonder Woman has a better chance than Logan of getting the Best Picture Oscar nomination because: 1. Wonder Woman has gotten much more media coverage than Logan and will get even more media coverage when Professor Marston & the Wonder Women is released in October. And an Oscar campaign by WB will help Wonder Woman as well. 2. Like I said before, the Academy has been criticized a lot in recent years for the lack of diversity in their nominations. So if the Academy is going to nominate a CBM for Best Picture, they're going to choose Wonder Woman over Logan because Wonder Woman gives the Academy a great opportunity to be more inclusive with their nominations and silence some of those complaints. How do you know Professor Marston & the Wonder Women is going to bring amazing buzz for Wonder Woman? The movie for all you know could be a critical flop.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 28, 2017 5:32:15 GMT
1. There hasn't been a CBM worthy of a Best Picture Oscar nomination since TDK until now, with Wonder Woman. 2. No, the Golden Globes is often a reliable predictor of which movies will be nominated for a Best Picture Oscar. 40 of the last 45 movies that were nominated for a "Golden Globe Best Motion Picture - Drama" were also nominated for a Best Picture Oscar. 1. In YOUR opinion, other people feel Logan is far more deserving of such. 2. Not according to players in the industry, like Gary Oldman who was in Nolan's Batman trilogy as Jim Gordon. Deadpool was nominated for Best Picture in the category of Comedy, it did not continue that trend to be nominated at The Academy Awards for Best Picture, neither was Ryan Reynolds for his acting as the titular character. Deadpool was in the Comedy category. Wonder Woman would be in the Drama category. And 40 of the last 45 movies that were nominated for a Golden Globe Best Motion Picture in the Drama category were also nominated for a Best Picture Oscar. The Golden Globes have always been considered to be a major award (not minor award like MTV awards, as you claim) and is the 2nd-most prestigious award for Hollywood movies after the Oscars.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 28, 2017 5:49:02 GMT
1. In YOUR opinion, other people feel Logan is far more deserving of such. 2. Not according to players in the industry, like Gary Oldman who was in Nolan's Batman trilogy as Jim Gordon. Deadpool was nominated for Best Picture in the category of Comedy, it did not continue that trend to be nominated at The Academy Awards for Best Picture, neither was Ryan Reynolds for his acting as the titular character. Deadpool was in the Comedy category. Wonder Woman would be in the Drama category. And 40 of the last 45 movies that were nominated for a Golden Globe Best Motion Picture in the Drama category were also nominated for a Best Picture Oscar. The Golden Globes have always been considered to be a major award (not minor award like MTV awards, as you claim) and is the 2nd-most prestigious award for Hollywood movies after the Oscars. So? There have been movies in the Comedy category that went onto being nominated for Best Picture at the Academy Awards. My claim on the Golden Globes is supported by more than a few people who work in the industry, like Gary Oldman who has called it "worthless".
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 28, 2017 5:50:03 GMT
With the Golden Globes last year nominating a CBM for Best Picture for the 1st time ever ( Deadpool, although that was for a Comedy category), the Academy might be ready this year to nominate a CBM for Best Picture for the 1st time ever. But it's unlikely that the Academy will nominate 2 CBMs for Best Picture this year so it could be either Wonder Woman or Logan but not both. Wonder Woman has a better chance than Logan of getting the Best Picture Oscar nomination because: 1. Wonder Woman has gotten much more media coverage than Logan and will get even more media coverage when Professor Marston & the Wonder Women is released in October. And an Oscar campaign by WB will help Wonder Woman as well. 2. Like I said before, the Academy has been criticized a lot in recent years for the lack of diversity in their nominations. So if the Academy is going to nominate a CBM for Best Picture, they're going to choose Wonder Woman over Logan because Wonder Woman gives the Academy a great opportunity to be more inclusive with their nominations and silence some of those complaints. That second point is exactly why I don't put any stock into anything the Academy does anymore. If a person or movie is only nominated because the protagonist is black or female then the system is broken. If a movie is nominated because the director is a female, then the system is broken. It's an awards show. That'd be like giving the NBA MVP Award to a white guy just because they haven't been in the running enough. It's about who does what the best. Not what pleases the rabid media. Not to mention that it actually hurts minorities. If I was black and nominated for an Oscar, how would I know if I was actually that good or if they're just using me for their own political agenda? Obviously women directors, black directors, Asian directors, black actors etc. are just as entitled to being nominated and winning an Oscar as white people are. But they don't deserve any special treatment. You're saying that 2nd point hurts minorities, but it's because of complaints from minorities that the 2nd point exists. When the Academy didn't nominate any African-Americans for the Acting categories, they were criticized for the lack of diversity in their nominations. It's because of those complaints that the Academy feels like they're backed into a corner and that's why they would be more likely to nominate Wonder Woman over Logan. So you can't put the blame on the Academy for the 2nd point because the Academy is just reacting to complaints thrown at them. Also, most of the nominees wouldn't care why they're being nominated (if they were actually good or just being used for their political agenda) because an Oscar nomination is an Oscar nomination. It's no different than colleges using Affirmative Action in their admissions. You think someone who was accepted to a college because of Affirmative Action is going to care if he might have been accepted over a more qualified applicant because of Affirmative Action? No, he got accepted to college and that's all that matters for him.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jul 28, 2017 6:16:14 GMT
That second point is exactly why I don't put any stock into anything the Academy does anymore. If a person or movie is only nominated because the protagonist is black or female then the system is broken. If a movie is nominated because the director is a female, then the system is broken. It's an awards show. That'd be like giving the NBA MVP Award to a white guy just because they haven't been in the running enough. It's about who does what the best. Not what pleases the rabid media. Not to mention that it actually hurts minorities. If I was black and nominated for an Oscar, how would I know if I was actually that good or if they're just using me for their own political agenda? Obviously women directors, black directors, Asian directors, black actors etc. are just as entitled to being nominated and winning an Oscar as white people are. But they don't deserve any special treatment. You're saying that 2nd point hurts minorities, but it's because of complaints from minorities that the 2nd point exists. When the Academy didn't nominate any African-Americans for the Acting categories, they were criticized for the lack of diversity in their nominations. It's because of those complaints that the Academy feels like they're backed into a corner and that's why they would be more likely to nominate Wonder Woman over Logan. So you can't put the blame on the Academy for the 2nd point because the Academy is just reacting to complaints thrown at them. Also, most of the nominees wouldn't care why they're being nominated (if they were actually good or just being used for their political agenda) because an Oscar nomination is an Oscar nomination. It's no different than colleges using Affirmative Action in their admissions. You think someone who was accepted to a college because of Affirmative Action is going to care if he might have been accepted over a more qualified applicant because of Affirmative Action? No, he got accepted to college and that's all that matters for him. It's just sad to me that they're taking advantage of them while pretending like they're actually doing some good. I hope none of the movies I like this year are nominated. The Academy doesn't deserve Logan, WW, Dunkirk, John Wick 2, etc.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jul 28, 2017 8:36:57 GMT
I thinks both WW amd Logan have a reasonable shot at getting at least an Oscar nod (nomination), as both movies are more than the sum of their parts, and artistically transcend their genre limitations. Both are (relatively speaking) daring movies in their own ways representing historic milestones for their genre.
And yea, I am not only thinking technical categories a la SSq, but best director (WW) and best movie too. Acting I am not so sure, maybe Logan, maybe even Pines as support.
Drive the awards home? Unlikely though.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jul 28, 2017 9:26:57 GMT
As darkpast said, if WW gets nominated, then Logan has to as well. Logan is better. With the Golden Globes last year nominating a CBM for Best Picture for the 1st time ever ( Deadpool, although that was for a Comedy category), the Academy might be ready this year to nominate a CBM for Best Picture for the 1st time ever. But it's unlikely that the Academy will nominate 2 CBMs for Best Picture this year so it could be either Wonder Woman or Logan but not both. Wonder Woman has a better chance than Logan of getting the Best Picture Oscar nomination because: 1. Wonder Woman has gotten much more media coverage than Logan and will get even more media coverage when Professor Marston & the Wonder Women is released in October. And an Oscar campaign by WB will help Wonder Woman as well. 2. Like I said before, the Academy has been criticized a lot in recent years for the lack of diversity in their nominations. So if the Academy is going to nominate a CBM for Best Picture, they're going to choose Wonder Woman over Logan because Wonder Woman gives the Academy a great opportunity to be more inclusive with their nominations and silence some of those complaints. that is only reasonable. Not to forget that on a content level WW is the more Oscar "bait-y" of the two.
- central theme are the horrors of war and the human drama and loss without trivializing or juvenilizing them too much in a cartoon fashon. - It "panders" thematically to a new - previously overlooked - demographic: women, but without trivializing or humiliating either sex. Pines is an integral, competent character with ideas and merit of his own like MM and Furiosa (and unlike the infamous example of Rey and Finn in TFA). - WW has a naive, yet positive message of love, and tries to say something about the human condition. - Not to forget it is the second only CBM movie ever directed by a woman (the first one is an obsure one).
So this is Oscar bait in the best sense of the word, Logan while artistically worthwhile and good will have a lot harder time as its merits are more story and genre based.
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Post by sostie on Jul 28, 2017 9:50:25 GMT
Far worse films have had big Oscar campaigns. You'd be surprised by some that have put themselves forward every year. As far a WW nomination. It's a little optimistic seeing the studios haven't even begun to release their Oscar bait.
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Post by politicidal on Jul 28, 2017 12:56:00 GMT
Love the movie...but still don't see it happening. It's good. But it's not as good as what their standards are. (And for the record...I don't think much of their standards.) This. The Dark Knight was probably to them just a cop movie that happened to be based off a comic book.
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