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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 21:19:53 GMT
Don't know who it is, but I can tell you who it is not: Ezra Bridger, Sheev Palpatine, Mace Windu, Sifo Dyas, Gallius Rax or Wilhuff Tarkin. The plot thickens...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 21:22:48 GMT
Andy Serkis plays him the emotion capture. It's not a puppet. False: Sequel Trilogy, The Last Jedi
December 8, 2016Star Wars: Episode VIII’s Supreme Leader Snoke: Master Of Puppets! by Jason Ward (editor-in-chief) For Star Wars: Episode VIII Snoke will not be a character generated in a computer. Instead, he will be a huge puppet around seven to eight feet tall, taking several people to operate and a man inside a suit to make him walk. Snoke may be CGI generated for the holographic communication sequences, but when he has scenes in Episode VIII, next to real flesh-and-blood humans like Kylo Ren, he will be a practical puppet with facial features operated by the crew. In the past many have wondered if Snoke was someone we had seen on screen before. It seems somewhat unlikely considering his size. His arms alone give off the impression he is not exactly human as they are unnaturally long and unsettling. His appearance is identical to what we saw in the holograms but there’s a “real” Snoke in the next installment of the Skywalker saga. We don’t know exactly how much screen time Snoke has in Episode VIII. But we do know the puppet is pretty impressive and appears to be articulated in such a way it seems it is more than an elaborate stand-in. The film may show Kylo Ren, General Hux, and Phasma meeting with Snoke, after the destruction of Starkiller Base. It has been confirmed that the film begins mere moments after Star Wars: The Force Awakens. It would seem the puppet Snoke would be more powerful and interesting to look at than a CGI character, of which audiences are continually critiquing the visuals. I am really excited to see a puppet over seven feet in size that might kick Luke Skywalker’s butt. That’s pretty exciting and I can’t wait to learn more about the innovations and new ground transversed by Rian Johnson and the crew of Star Wars: Episode VIII. Great article.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 21:29:12 GMT
Don't know who it is, but I can tell you who it is not: Ezra Bridger, Sheev Palpatine, Mace Windu, Sifo Dyas, Gallius Rax or Wilhuff Tarkin. Maybe I'm being partial but I don't think you can rule out Sifo-Dyas yet. 😉
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Post by Surly on Aug 1, 2017 21:36:19 GMT
Mr. Burns from The Simpsons?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 21:42:28 GMT
Don't know who it is, but I can tell you who it is not: Ezra Bridger, Sheev Palpatine, Mace Windu, Sifo Dyas, Gallius Rax or Wilhuff Tarkin. Maybe I'm being partial but I don't think you can rule out Sifo-Dyas yet. 😉 Out of all the people I listed, I think Dyas would be the most poetic. A character who was created because of a spelling error ends up being the ST's arch-villain? That would be funny. But it's not him since Snoke is not human.
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Post by audiosane on Aug 2, 2017 20:54:01 GMT
The more I look at this, the more clear it becomes that this is not a character ever visually presented in canon Star Wars material, nor is it some mutation of one. This leaves two possibilities: 1. Someone entirely new who must claim a greater power mantle than any villain to come before him. To me, this is very difficult to achieve with the way this character looks. In order to surpass the power level of Sidious or Vader, one would think it would require exposition of a character that is some kind of "celestial god" or "embodiment of the Dark Side" or "First Sith" like some fans have theorized. This dude looks awesome, but he looks normal at the same time. I just don't see this guy being that type of character. Which leaves... 2. Plagueis. The only image I've ever seen of Plagueis that matched up to his deeds/personality was the image on the book itself. When you read the book, you never wanted to picture Plagueis in your head as a Muun because Muuns are just so silly-looking. So while this image of Snoke doesn't resemble any previous image of Plagueis (which doesn't matter since all those images are legends now), when I look at it, I honestly think, "this is the face of a guy who could actually corral the ego of Palpatine for a while and this is the face of a guy who could be under-estimated and well-respected at the same time." I also think that if you put the caption, "The Wise," on that picture, it doesn't look out of place with that face. I also think, "that neck sure does look like it's in a state of attempted regeneration." Why? Why does the new villain have to surpass all over villains? Why can't they just be the current villain overseeing everything?
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Post by pete8680 on Aug 2, 2017 22:01:10 GMT
I'm more intimidated by Pizza the Hutt then this, this Snoke.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 14:32:39 GMT
The more I look at this, the more clear it becomes that this is not a character ever visually presented in canon Star Wars material, nor is it some mutation of one. This leaves two possibilities: 1. Someone entirely new who must claim a greater power mantle than any villain to come before him. To me, this is very difficult to achieve with the way this character looks. In order to surpass the power level of Sidious or Vader, one would think it would require exposition of a character that is some kind of "celestial god" or "embodiment of the Dark Side" or "First Sith" like some fans have theorized. This dude looks awesome, but he looks normal at the same time. I just don't see this guy being that type of character. Which leaves... 2. Plagueis. The only image I've ever seen of Plagueis that matched up to his deeds/personality was the image on the book itself. When you read the book, you never wanted to picture Plagueis in your head as a Muun because Muuns are just so silly-looking. So while this image of Snoke doesn't resemble any previous image of Plagueis (which doesn't matter since all those images are legends now), when I look at it, I honestly think, "this is the face of a guy who could actually corral the ego of Palpatine for a while and this is the face of a guy who could be under-estimated and well-respected at the same time." I also think that if you put the caption, "The Wise," on that picture, it doesn't look out of place with that face. I also think, "that neck sure does look like it's in a state of attempted regeneration." Why? Why does the new villain have to surpass all over villains? Why can't they just be the current villain overseeing everything? Because this is a nine-part story. You don't end the story with a whimper. Snoke - by merit of good story-telling - must present the ultimate threat.
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Aug 3, 2017 18:34:30 GMT
Why? Why does the new villain have to surpass all over villains? Why can't they just be the current villain overseeing everything? Because this is a nine-part story. You don't end the story with a whimper. Snoke - by merit of good story-telling - must present the ultimate threat. It's not really a "nine-part" story though is it? It was a complete six part story, which, whether you're a fan of the new films or not, have to be recognised as, at best, decent "hack" additions to the classic saga. And they're not going to reach that status by pissing all over the classic tale by retconning it and making it's heroes efforts seem inconsequential when placed against these current "hack" heroes. Therefore I'd say for the success of the ST it's pretty important that Snoke isn't an "ultimate" anything...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 18:54:54 GMT
Because this is a nine-part story. You don't end the story with a whimper. Snoke - by merit of good story-telling - must present the ultimate threat. It's not really a "nine-part" story though is it? It was a complete six part story, which, whether you're a fan of the new films or not, have to be recognised as, at best, decent "hack" additions to the classic saga. And they're not going to reach that status by pissing all over the classic tale by retconning it and making it's heroes efforts seem inconsequential when placed against these current "hack" heroes. Therefore I'd say for the success of the ST it's pretty important that Snoke isn't an "ultimate" anything... Nope. Lucas said for decades that this was always a nine-part story.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 19:16:06 GMT
Because this is a nine-part story. You don't end the story with a whimper. Snoke - by merit of good story-telling - must present the ultimate threat. It's not really a "nine-part" story though is it? It was a complete six part story, which, whether you're a fan of the new films or not, have to be recognised as, at best, decent "hack" additions to the classic saga. And they're not going to reach that status by pissing all over the classic tale by retconning it and making it's heroes efforts seem inconsequential when placed against these current "hack" heroes. Therefore I'd say for the success of the ST it's pretty important that Snoke isn't an "ultimate" anything... Also, you can say what you want, but Lucas' original idea for the ST was to focus on teenagers. Thank the Force that Disney bought when they did before Lucas could make Lloyd's and Christenson's performances look mature and award-worthy in comparison.
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Post by Surly on Aug 4, 2017 3:26:00 GMT
It's not really a "nine-part" story though is it? It was a complete six part story, which, whether you're a fan of the new films or not, have to be recognised as, at best, decent "hack" additions to the classic saga. And they're not going to reach that status by pissing all over the classic tale by retconning it and making it's heroes efforts seem inconsequential when placed against these current "hack" heroes. Therefore I'd say for the success of the ST it's pretty important that Snoke isn't an "ultimate" anything... Also, you can say what you want, but Lucas' original idea for the ST was to focus on teenagers.Thank the Force that Disney bought when they did before Lucas could make Lloyd's and Christenson's performances look mature and award-worthy in comparison. The sledgehammer of an irony is that the 3 biggest new characters... Rey acted like a teenage Disney princess with super warrior magic. Kylo acted like an insecure, spoiled teenager with juvenile anger management issues. And Finn acted like an inept, lost man-boy who was looking for a personal icon to validate his existence. Oh well. There's still 2 more movies to go somewhere with...
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Aug 4, 2017 8:05:41 GMT
It's not really a "nine-part" story though is it? It was a complete six part story, which, whether you're a fan of the new films or not, have to be recognised as, at best, decent "hack" additions to the classic saga. And they're not going to reach that status by pissing all over the classic tale by retconning it and making it's heroes efforts seem inconsequential when placed against these current "hack" heroes. Therefore I'd say for the success of the ST it's pretty important that Snoke isn't an "ultimate" anything... Nope. Lucas said for decades that this was always a nine-part story. Well, as I'm sure you'll be well aware, George Lucas said a lot of things re series over the years including the exact opposite of that as far as any ST goes. However that's all completely moot in the context of what I said re other parties coming along and retconning his six part story...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 14:02:39 GMT
Also, you can say what you want, but Lucas' original idea for the ST was to focus on teenagers.Thank the Force that Disney bought when they did before Lucas could make Lloyd's and Christenson's performances look mature and award-worthy in comparison. The sledgehammer of an irony is that the 3 biggest new characters... Rey acted like a teenage Disney princess with super warrior magic. Kylo acted like an insecure, spoiled teenager with juvenile anger management issues. And Finn acted like an inept, lost man-boy who was looking for a personal icon to validate his existence. Oh well. There's still 2 more movies to go somewhere with... I agree to a certain extent that Kylo has an emo-teen layer to him, but he's obviously not a teenager, and when you draw comparisons between his immaturity to other characters in other trilogies, he is on par with ANH's Luke and ROTS's Anakin. So it's already a leg-up over the prequels. We disagree quite a bit on Rey. I believe Rey to be - by far - the most mature lead thus far in the series. But you're missing the point. Lucas was going to give you Valerian as an ST story arc. <shudder>
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 14:06:14 GMT
Nope. Lucas said for decades that this was always a nine-part story. Well, as I'm sure you'll be well aware, George Lucas said a lot of things re series over the years including the exact opposite of that as far as any ST goes. However that's all completely moot in the context of what I said re other parties coming along and retconning his six part story... Perhaps it is moot what Lucas envisioned. I don't think it's quite that simple. Lucas's ideas are layered into what Disney is going to eventually execute. But okay, I'll concede. But what I won't concede is that this story is about Anakin Skywalker and his children. There is something whole about that. And when the children are both dead before the ending credits of Episode IX, I think any discerning fan will conclude that X starts a new story arc.
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Post by audiosane on Aug 4, 2017 15:42:48 GMT
Why? Why does the new villain have to surpass all over villains? Why can't they just be the current villain overseeing everything? Because this is a nine-part story. You don't end the story with a whimper. Snoke - by merit of good story-telling - must present the ultimate threat. I didn't say anything about a whimper - you did. I simply wanted a competent villain who's a threat to our heroes without having to be "the ultimate threat". That just sounds like something you'd see in fan fiction, like making Luke Skywalker "the greatest Jedi Master ever" because he's famous TO US. Using your argument, Lucasfilm would keep on having to make every new Snoke or Sidious greater than the last because we know they're not going to stop at IX. At what point do we all agree that this route would be utterly ridiculous?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 16:13:03 GMT
Because this is a nine-part story. You don't end the story with a whimper. Snoke - by merit of good story-telling - must present the ultimate threat. I didn't say anything about a whimper - you did. I simply wanted a competent villain who's a threat to our heroes without having to be "the ultimate threat". That just sounds like something you'd see in fan fiction, like making Luke Skywalker "the greatest Jedi Master ever" because he's famous TO US. Using your argument, Lucasfilm would keep on having to make every new Snoke or Sidious greater than the last because we know they're not going to stop at IX. At what point do we all agree that this route would be utterly ridiculous? No, that's not my argument at all. Don't be ridiculous. As I said, the ST's villain needs to present the ultimate threat. What happens in X is a new beginning, albeit, ushered through existing characters. And Snoke will be, by the way, the ultimate threat. Look at it this way: no matter how you want to analyze what happened in that throne room at the end of VI, Luke walked into a situation against both Vader and Palpatine and he was the only one to walk out. Regardless of how it was achieved, Luke brought down two of the most powerful beings in the history of the galaxy. He is going to be defeated, ultimately, in this trilogy. So all I'm saying is that good story-telling dictates Snoke (or some other villain, but, c'mon, obviously Snoke) present a greater challenge to Luke than walking into Palpatine's throne room.
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Post by Surly on Aug 4, 2017 20:45:07 GMT
The sledgehammer of an irony is that the 3 biggest new characters... Rey acted like a teenage Disney princess with super warrior magic. Kylo acted like an insecure, spoiled teenager with juvenile anger management issues. And Finn acted like an inept, lost man-boy who was looking for a personal icon to validate his existence. Oh well. There's still 2 more movies to go somewhere with... I agree to a certain extent that Kylo has an emo-teen layer to him, but he's obviously not a teenager, and when you draw comparisons between his immaturity to other characters in other trilogies, he is on par with ANH's Luke and ROTS's Anakin. So it's already a leg-up over the prequels. He's on par with Anakin but I think Luke was markedly more mature than Kylo. Sorry but we couldn't disagree more here. I found Leia to be more mature. And while Rey might garner more fans because she is more spirited and lively, Padmé still displayed more maturity IMO. I get how some fans are excited that Rey's the first star female Force user that the episodic movies center around. But having seen my fair share of Disney warrior princesses thanks to nieces and nephews, I find Rey to be nothing more than the latest version of that preteen girl-fantasy archetype. - Morally flawless - exudes innocence - the most intelligent one in her family/clique/group - has hidden talents - envied by her enemies who attempt to suppress her - universally loved and admired - instantly liked - Disney magic chooses her because: it likes her, it sympathizes with her, she's sweet and noble - doesn't have to hone, develop or train her powers - is fearful of the obstacles to her dreams - only needs to learn to believe in herself - once she learns to completely believe in herself her power of Disney magic is unlimited, her success will be instant and guaranteed, and all her dreams will come true That's the Disney warrior princess checklist. And that's Rey! (At least as far as TFA goes). I don't see the supposed maturity despite having more emotional presence than Padmé. And her characterization is more Disney than Star Wars. Maybe. But I don't know what kind of story he was going to build around those characters. And I haven't seen the script he made or a synopsis of it. To be honest I would be more worried if he was directing than writing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 21:09:25 GMT
Sorry but we couldn't disagree more here. I found Leia to be more mature. And while Rey might garner more fans because she is more spirited and lively, Padmé still displayed more maturity IMO. I get how some fans are excited that Rey's the first star female Force user that the episodic movies center around. But having seen my fair share of Disney warrior princesses thanks to nieces and nephews, I find Rey to be nothing more than the latest version of that preteen girl-fantasy archetype. I'm not comparing her to Leia or Padme, though, because those were not leads. But if you were going to compare them, I'd say Rey and Padme are a wash and I agree that both the character of Leia and the performance by Fisher are better than Rey. And for the record, I am not happy that SW featured a female lead. Frankly, I'd much rather see a male lead. For many reasons. And yet even though I would have preferred a male lead for the ST, I prefer watching Ridley's scenes over Hamill's OT scenes and a whole lot more than Lloyd's/Christenson's scenes in the PT. I just like her acting better and I much better like the lines they wrote for her. Anakin was awful and Luke was whiny until Episode VI.
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Post by audiosane on Aug 5, 2017 0:26:54 GMT
I didn't say anything about a whimper - you did. I simply wanted a competent villain who's a threat to our heroes without having to be "the ultimate threat". That just sounds like something you'd see in fan fiction, like making Luke Skywalker "the greatest Jedi Master ever" because he's famous TO US. Using your argument, Lucasfilm would keep on having to make every new Snoke or Sidious greater than the last because we know they're not going to stop at IX. At what point do we all agree that this route would be utterly ridiculous? No, that's not my argument at all. Don't be ridiculous. As I said, the ST's villain needs to present the ultimate threat. What happens in X is a new beginning, albeit, ushered through existing characters. And Snoke will be, by the way, the ultimate threat. Look at it this way: no matter how you want to analyze what happened in that throne room at the end of VI, Luke walked into a situation against both Vader and Palpatine and he was the only one to walk out. Regardless of how it was achieved, Luke brought down two of the most powerful beings in the history of the galaxy. He is going to be defeated, ultimately, in this trilogy. So all I'm saying is that good story-telling dictates Snoke (or some other villain, but, c'mon, obviously Snoke) present a greater challenge to Luke than walking into Palpatine's throne room. I'm not being ridiculous. You said you wanted Snoke to be "the ultimate threat" because he's the top villain of the third trilogy. I simply took that and moved it to the next trilogy. Why would X get to be a new beginning? Why wouldn't we get that with TFA? It's been 30 years. Vader is dead. Maybe you're basing this on Lucas saying he wanted the saga to go 9 films, but he said lots of contradicting things. More importantly, Disney rejected his ideas and is doing their own thing. What makes you so sure Snoke will be the ultimate threat? So far, he's just a lame version of Sidious. [Look at it this way: no matter how you want to analyze what happened in that throne room at the end of VI, Luke walked into a situation against both Vader and Palpatine and he was the only one to walk out. Regardless of how it was achieved, Luke brought down two of the most powerful beings in the history of the galaxy. He is going to be defeated, ultimately, in this trilogy. So all I'm saying is that good story-telling dictates Snoke (or some other villain, but, c'mon, obviously Snoke) present a greater challenge to Luke than walking into Palpatine's throne room.] Eh. "Luke brought down the most powerful beings in the history of the galaxy." LMAO. I get what you're trying to say, but it sounds utterly ridiculous. I don't see what's so awesome about an old villain collapsing on the floor because his lungs gave out or the other dying because he was picked up and thrown to his death. Are Vader and Sidious iconic? Of course. But they're just competent villains. Nothing all that special.
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