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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 14:19:50 GMT
No, that's not my argument at all. Don't be ridiculous. As I said, the ST's villain needs to present the ultimate threat. What happens in X is a new beginning, albeit, ushered through existing characters. And Snoke will be, by the way, the ultimate threat. Look at it this way: no matter how you want to analyze what happened in that throne room at the end of VI, Luke walked into a situation against both Vader and Palpatine and he was the only one to walk out. Regardless of how it was achieved, Luke brought down two of the most powerful beings in the history of the galaxy. He is going to be defeated, ultimately, in this trilogy. So all I'm saying is that good story-telling dictates Snoke (or some other villain, but, c'mon, obviously Snoke) present a greater challenge to Luke than walking into Palpatine's throne room. Eh. "Luke brought down the most powerful beings in the history of the galaxy." LMAO. I get what you're trying to say, but it sounds utterly ridiculous. I don't see what's so awesome about an old villain collapsing on the floor because his lungs gave out or the other dying because he was picked up and thrown to his death. Are Vader and Sidious iconic? Of course. But they're just competent villains. Nothing all that special.
Whoa. You....don't see the SW world like I do, that's for sure!
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Post by audiosane on Aug 8, 2017 18:26:49 GMT
Eh. "Luke brought down the most powerful beings in the history of the galaxy." LMAO. I get what you're trying to say, but it sounds utterly ridiculous. I don't see what's so awesome about an old villain collapsing on the floor because his lungs gave out or the other dying because he was picked up and thrown to his death. Are Vader and Sidious iconic? Of course. But they're just competent villains. Nothing all that special.
Whoa. You....don't see the SW world like I do, that's for sure! Ummm... okay...?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 19:57:01 GMT
Whoa. You....don't see the SW world like I do, that's for sure! Ummm... okay...? I mean, you're entitled to your opinion. For thousands and thousands of years, the Jedi marshaled the galaxy. For thousands and thousands of years, the Sith tried and failed to conquer the galaxy. For a thousand years, the Republic stood. For a thousand years, Banites couldn't complete the grand plan. Palpatine did all of it in one lifetime, killing off almost all of the Jedi, replacing them as marshal, completing the Sith plan and usurping the Republic. But yeah, he's just a "competent" villain.
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Post by shinnickneth on Aug 8, 2017 20:03:19 GMT
I mean, you're entitled to your opinion. For thousands and thousands of years, the Jedi marshaled the galaxy. For thousands and thousands of years, the Sith tried and failed to conquer the galaxy. For a thousand years, the Republic stood. For a thousand years, Banites couldn't complete the grand plan. Palpatine did all of it in one lifetime, killing off almost all of the Jedi, replacing them as marshal, completing the Sith plan and usurping the Republic. But yeah, he's just a "competent" villain.I would be so pissed if I was Palpatine! Everyone in the galaxy talks about Vader but Palpatine is the true manipulator. Vader is just the guy in the fancy suit who stole all the credit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 20:13:02 GMT
I mean, you're entitled to your opinion. For thousands and thousands of years, the Jedi marshaled the galaxy. For thousands and thousands of years, the Sith tried and failed to conquer the galaxy. For a thousand years, the Republic stood. For a thousand years, Banites couldn't complete the grand plan. Palpatine did all of it in one lifetime, killing off almost all of the Jedi, replacing them as marshal, completing the Sith plan and usurping the Republic. But yeah, he's just a "competent" villain.I would be so pissed if I was Palpatine! Everyone in the galaxy talks about Vader but Palpatine is the true manipulator. Vader is just the guy in the fancy suit who stole all the credit. I'm going to give Audiosane some credit and declare that he was just trolling me and that I fell for it. A ha ha ha ha ha HA! <slaps knees> Good one Audiosane! You really got me!
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Post by audiosane on Aug 8, 2017 20:26:46 GMT
I mean, you're entitled to your opinion. For thousands and thousands of years, the Jedi marshaled the galaxy. For thousands and thousands of years, the Sith tried and failed to conquer the galaxy. For a thousand years, the Republic stood. For a thousand years, Banites couldn't complete the grand plan. Palpatine did all of it in one lifetime, killing off almost all of the Jedi, replacing them as marshal, completing the Sith plan and usurping the Republic. But yeah, he's just a "competent" villain. Meh. I mean, I get what you're saying, but, unfortunately, I watched the Prequels. Palpatine wasn't some great mastermind like Lucas wanted us to believe. He essentially achieved his grand plan because the people around him were compete morons. Qui-Gon should not have insisted that Obi-Wan train Anakin since he knew the boy was troubled and that this would cause conflict with the Jedi Council. The Jedi Council should've taken custody of Anakin because he was too dangerous to go free and banished Obi-Wan from the Jedi Order for threatening to ignore their decision not to have Anakin trained. The Trade Federation should've been disbanded for their actions on Naboo, and Nute Gunray and his goons should've been imprisoned. Once the Jedi Council learned of an unauthorized clone army, they should've destroyed them immediately and investigated and possibly arrested the cloners. The cloning facility definitely should've been shut down as this would be a potential threat to the galaxy. The Jedi Council would not have needed the Force to figure out that Palpatine was acting suspicious and seizing more and more power. They would've kept a close eye on him and eventually realized what the hell was going on before it was too late. The Old Republic and the galaxy would not have been so quick to believe Palpatine that a peaceful organization that had served and protected them for a thousand generations would suddenly turn evil and seize power for... whatever reason, prompting Palpatine to kill them all... without any trial or evidence whatsoever... yes, even the younglings. -_- Now, if you still consider Palpatine to be some kind of genius villain, I humbly ask you not to breed.
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Post by audiosane on Aug 8, 2017 20:34:26 GMT
I mean, you're entitled to your opinion. For thousands and thousands of years, the Jedi marshaled the galaxy. For thousands and thousands of years, the Sith tried and failed to conquer the galaxy. For a thousand years, the Republic stood. For a thousand years, Banites couldn't complete the grand plan. Palpatine did all of it in one lifetime, killing off almost all of the Jedi, replacing them as marshal, completing the Sith plan and usurping the Republic. But yeah, he's just a "competent" villain.I would be so pissed if I was Palpatine! Everyone in the galaxy talks about Vader but Palpatine is the true manipulator. Vader is just the guy in the fancy suit who stole all the credit. Nah. Palpatine chose to stay behind the scenes. If he wanted the limelight, he'd put himself out there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 20:56:50 GMT
I mean, you're entitled to your opinion. For thousands and thousands of years, the Jedi marshaled the galaxy. For thousands and thousands of years, the Sith tried and failed to conquer the galaxy. For a thousand years, the Republic stood. For a thousand years, Banites couldn't complete the grand plan. Palpatine did all of it in one lifetime, killing off almost all of the Jedi, replacing them as marshal, completing the Sith plan and usurping the Republic. But yeah, he's just a "competent" villain. Meh. I mean, I get what you're saying, but, unfortunately, I watched the Prequels. Palpatine wasn't some great mastermind like Lucas wanted us to believe. He essentially achieved his grand plan because the people around him were compete morons. Qui-Gon should not have insisted that Obi-Wan train Anakin since he knew the boy was troubled and that this would cause conflict with the Jedi Council. The Jedi Council should've taken custody of Anakin because he was too dangerous to go free and banished Obi-Wan from the Jedi Order for threatening to ignore their decision not to have Anakin trained. The Trade Federation should've been disbanded for their actions on Naboo, and Nute Gunray and his goons should've been imprisoned. Once the Jedi Council learned of an unauthorized clone army, they should've destroyed them immediately and investigated and possibly arrested the cloners. The cloning facility definitely should've been shut down as this would be a potential threat to the galaxy. The Jedi Council would not have needed the Force to figure out that Palpatine was acting suspicious and seizing more and more power. They would've kept a close eye on him and eventually realized what the hell was going on before it was too late. The Old Republic and the galaxy would not have been so quick to believe Palpatine that a peaceful organization that had served and protected them for a thousand generations would suddenly turn evil and seize power for... whatever reason, prompting Palpatine to kill them all... without any trial or evidence whatsoever... yes, even the younglings. -_- Now, if you still consider Palpatine to be some kind of genius villain, I humbly ask you not to breed. LOL! Okay. If you're implying that my placement of Palpatine as more than a "competent" villain in the Star Wars universe makes me the stupid one...LOL! But I'll play ball. Even if we agree with everything you say above...that it's not Palpatine's genius at play, but rather, the sheer stupidity of everyone around him, your argument would still self-disintegrate. For if everyone else is so stupid, by comparison, Palpatine is still a genius. So...the only way you accomplished anything here is if you're trolling. If you're not trolling, your argument is retarded and anyone who actually knows squat about Star Wars would laugh at you. But you already know this, which is why you resorted to trying to discuss my sex life.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 20:59:57 GMT
I would be so pissed if I was Palpatine! Everyone in the galaxy talks about Vader but Palpatine is the true manipulator. Vader is just the guy in the fancy suit who stole all the credit. Nah. Palpatine chose to stay behind the scenes. If he wanted the limelight, he'd put himself out there. False. Palpatine's desire to keep his power on the down low had nothing to do with not wanting the limelight. I know this because he exploited his message and visage more than any leader ever in the history of the galaxy. Palpatine was fond of pomp and large showings of grandeur in his honor. But if you knew jack shit about Star Wars, you'd know that already!
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Post by shinnickneth on Aug 8, 2017 23:02:54 GMT
I would be so pissed if I was Palpatine! Everyone in the galaxy talks about Vader but Palpatine is the true manipulator. Vader is just the guy in the fancy suit who stole all the credit. Nah. Palpatine chose to stay behind the scenes. If he wanted the limelight, he'd put himself out there. He only did that in the PT. In the OT, everyone knows about him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 14:20:22 GMT
Nah. Palpatine chose to stay behind the scenes. If he wanted the limelight, he'd put himself out there. He only did that in the PT. In the OT, everyone knows about him. He declared his political authority at the end of the PT, but even in the OT, he was still trying to keep his Sith abilities a secret. This is why he commands the guards to leave the throne room. In the book, Lords of the Sith, an entire village is slaughtered to keep his Force abilities secret.
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Post by audiosane on Aug 9, 2017 17:00:45 GMT
Meh. I mean, I get what you're saying, but, unfortunately, I watched the Prequels. Palpatine wasn't some great mastermind like Lucas wanted us to believe. He essentially achieved his grand plan because the people around him were compete morons. Qui-Gon should not have insisted that Obi-Wan train Anakin since he knew the boy was troubled and that this would cause conflict with the Jedi Council. The Jedi Council should've taken custody of Anakin because he was too dangerous to go free and banished Obi-Wan from the Jedi Order for threatening to ignore their decision not to have Anakin trained. The Trade Federation should've been disbanded for their actions on Naboo, and Nute Gunray and his goons should've been imprisoned. Once the Jedi Council learned of an unauthorized clone army, they should've destroyed them immediately and investigated and possibly arrested the cloners. The cloning facility definitely should've been shut down as this would be a potential threat to the galaxy. The Jedi Council would not have needed the Force to figure out that Palpatine was acting suspicious and seizing more and more power. They would've kept a close eye on him and eventually realized what the hell was going on before it was too late. The Old Republic and the galaxy would not have been so quick to believe Palpatine that a peaceful organization that had served and protected them for a thousand generations would suddenly turn evil and seize power for... whatever reason, prompting Palpatine to kill them all... without any trial or evidence whatsoever... yes, even the younglings. -_- Now, if you still consider Palpatine to be some kind of genius villain, I humbly ask you not to breed. LOL! Okay. If you're implying that my placement of Palpatine as more than a "competent" villain in the Star Wars universe makes me the stupid one...LOL! But I'll play ball. Even if we agree with everything you say above...that it's not Palpatine's genius at play, but rather, the sheer stupidity of everyone around him, your argument would still self-disintegrate. For if everyone else is so stupid, by comparison, Palpatine is still a genius. So...the only way you accomplished anything here is if you're trolling. If you're not trolling, your argument is retarded and anyone who actually knows squat about Star Wars would laugh at you. But you already know this, which is why you resorted to trying to discuss my sex life. Yeah, that's pretty much where I was going. LOL. Basically, you're saying Palpatine was a genius, RELATIVELY SPEAKING. Umm, no. Sorry. I'm not going to give him props for being slightly less stupid than the people around him. I mean, come on! His idea of a disguise is throwing on a hood and slightly changing his voice? That's genius? What about Palpatine's convoluted plan to become chancellor? He wanted the Trade Federation to create a crisis on Naboo in order to have Chancellor Valorum removed. Part of that involved forcing the queen to sign a treaty to make the invasion legal. So.... if Queen Amidala was a total wimp and signed the treaty... then no more crisis, and Valorum stays in power. How is this stupid ass plan an act of genius? Okay. This is the Internet. Having a different opinion doesn't make someone a troll. Get used to that concept. F*ck all you want, buddy. Just don't breed, please.
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Post by audiosane on Aug 9, 2017 17:07:28 GMT
Nah. Palpatine chose to stay behind the scenes. If he wanted the limelight, he'd put himself out there. False. Palpatine's desire to keep his power on the down low had nothing to do with not wanting the limelight. I know this because he exploited his message and visage more than any leader ever in the history of the galaxy. Palpatine was fond of pomp and large showings of grandeur in his honor. But if you knew jack shit about Star Wars, you'd know that already! I know Palpatine gave a few dramatic speeches in the PT, but he was largely absent from the OT while Vader had played a huge role. That's what I was getting at.
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Post by audiosane on Aug 9, 2017 17:13:26 GMT
Nah. Palpatine chose to stay behind the scenes. If he wanted the limelight, he'd put himself out there. He only did that in the PT. In the OT, everyone knows about him. Yes, everyone knows about him, but Palpatine operated from a distance, behind closed doors. Meanwhile, Vader did a lot of traveling and made his presence known.
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<abbr title="Aug 9, 2017 13:00:45 GMT -4" class="o-timestamp time" data-timestamp="1502298045000">Aug 9, 2017 13:00:45 GMT -4</abbr> audiosane sai Yeah, that's pretty much where I was going. LOL. Basically, you're saying Palpatine was a genius, RELATIVELY SPEAKING. Umm, no. Sorry. I'm not going to give him props for being slightly less stupid than the people around him. I mean, come on! His idea of a disguise is throwing on a hood and slightly changing his voice? That's genius? What about Palpatine's convoluted plan to become chancellor? He wanted the Trade Federation to create a crisis on Naboo in order to have Chancellor Valorum removed. Part of that involved forcing the queen to sign a treaty to make the invasion legal. So.... if Queen Amidala was a total wimp and signed the treaty... then no more crisis, and Valorum stays in power. How is this stupid ass plan an act of genius? Okay. This is the Internet. Having a different opinion doesn't make someone a troll. Get used to that concept. F*ck all you want, buddy. Just don't breed, please. What was I thinking? Compared to your genius, all the characters in SW were idiots, lol! And even though you're a genius, I'm going to try to explain the movie to you. It wasn't part of Palpatine's plan in ordering the invasion of Naboo to remove Valorum. The plan on Naboo had more to do with allying with the Trade Federation (both because their voting bloc in the Senate gave them immense political power - which is canon - and to enrich himself off of Naboo's newfound plasma deposits - this part is Legends and I'm not sure if it is still canon) and bolstering their outrage at the new tax that was levied against them by the Senate. The invasion of Naboo was always about putting players like the Trade Federation in a position to leave the Republic. Then. When it is apparent that Amidala won't sign the treaty, that's when he - like the boss that he is - turns lemon into lemonade and uses her defiance to his gain. It is only then that he calls out the possibility of a vote of no confidence.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 17:24:52 GMT
False. Palpatine's desire to keep his power on the down low had nothing to do with not wanting the limelight. I know this because he exploited his message and visage more than any leader ever in the history of the galaxy. Palpatine was fond of pomp and large showings of grandeur in his honor. But if you knew jack shit about Star Wars, you'd know that already! I know Palpatine gave a few dramatic speeches in the PT, but he was largely absent from the OT while Vader had played a huge role. That's what I was getting at. Right, but canon sources reveal that Palpatine was anything but behind the scenes as Palpatine. He was only "behind the scenes" as Sidious.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 18:00:21 GMT
I mean, I get what you're saying, but, unfortunately, I watched the Prequels. Palpatine wasn't some great mastermind like Lucas wanted us to believe. He essentially achieved his grand plan because the people around him were compete morons. Qui-Gon should not have insisted that Obi-Wan train Anakin since he knew the boy was troubled and that this would cause conflict with the Jedi Council. The Jedi Council should've taken custody of Anakin because he was too dangerous to go free and banished Obi-Wan from the Jedi Order for threatening to ignore their decision not to have Anakin trained. The Trade Federation should've been disbanded for their actions on Naboo, and Nute Gunray and his goons should've been imprisoned. Once the Jedi Council learned of an unauthorized clone army, they should've destroyed them immediately and investigated and possibly arrested the cloners. The cloning facility definitely should've been shut down as this would be a potential threat to the galaxy. The Jedi Council would not have needed the Force to figure out that Palpatine was acting suspicious and seizing more and more power. They would've kept a close eye on him and eventually realized what the hell was going on before it was too late. The Old Republic and the galaxy would not have been so quick to believe Palpatine that a peaceful organization that had served and protected them for a thousand generations would suddenly turn evil and seize power for... whatever reason, prompting Palpatine to kill them all... without any trial or evidence whatsoever... yes, even the younglings. -_- Now, if you still consider Palpatine to be some kind of genius villain, I humbly ask you not to breed. Let's also break down some of the errors in your argument above. Qui-Gon should not have insisted that Obi-Wan train Anakin since he knew the boy was troubled and that this would cause conflict with the Jedi Council. Uh, but it's always been consistent with Qui-Gon's character that he is a rogue. Capitulating to the council over something he thinks is right is just not his way. It's even discussed in the damn movie: "Do not defy the council, master, not again." For the record, Qui-Gon's behavior cannot be simply decreed stupid. Sometimes it doesn't work out (Anakin), but sometimes it does (Force ghosts). The Jedi Council should've taken custody of Anakin because he was too dangerous to go free and banished Obi-Wan from the Jedi Order for threatening to ignore their decision not to have Anakin trained.
This isn't even factually correct. Per the movie, Obi Wan only says he plans to defy the council after they had already voted to allow him to train Anakin. The Trade Federation should've been disbanded for their actions on Naboo, and Nute Gunray and his goons should've been imprisoned.
On whose authority? Who should've decided that? Once the Jedi Council learned of an unauthorized clone army, they should've destroyed them immediately and investigated and possibly arrested the cloners.
Arrested the cloners for what?!? Doing what the Jedi asked them to do? LOL. The clone army was authorized by the Jedi! The cloning facility definitely should've been shut down as this would be a potential threat to the galaxy.
Again, by whom? The Jedi Council would not have needed the Force to figure out that Palpatine was acting suspicious and seizing more and more power.Uhm, they did have their suspicions. Didn't you watch the damn movie? This is why they asked Anakin to snoop on him. The Old Republic and the galaxy would not have been so quick to believe Palpatine that a peaceful organization that had served and protected them for a thousand generations would suddenly turn evil and seize power for... whatever reason, prompting Palpatine to kill them all... without any trial or evidence whatsoever... yes, even the younglings. -_-
Not everyone in the galaxy liked the Jedi to begin with, even before Order 66. You also seem to conveniently forget that Palpatine had full autonomy in the government at this point. No wonder you think everyone in SW was an idiot: you don't really understand the movies.
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Post by shinnickneth on Aug 9, 2017 18:43:11 GMT
So I guess these are Snoke's personal guards: Look familiar?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 19:29:20 GMT
So I guess these are Snoke's personal guards: Look familiar? You have to ask yourself: why does the First Order use red as its theme color if there "were no Sith" in TFA? What, they just happened to adopt the same traditional color as the Sith but have no relationship to them? Another case of me not believing Hidaglo.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 19:48:49 GMT
Andy Serkis plays him the emotion capture. It's not a puppet. False: Sequel Trilogy, The Last Jedi
December 8, 2016Star Wars: Episode VIII’s Supreme Leader Snoke: Master Of Puppets! by Jason Ward (editor-in-chief) For Star Wars: Episode VIII Snoke will not be a character generated in a computer. Instead, he will be a huge puppet around seven to eight feet tall, taking several people to operate and a man inside a suit to make him walk. Snoke may be CGI generated for the holographic communication sequences, but when he has scenes in Episode VIII, next to real flesh-and-blood humans like Kylo Ren, he will be a practical puppet with facial features operated by the crew. In the past many have wondered if Snoke was someone we had seen on screen before. It seems somewhat unlikely considering his size. His arms alone give off the impression he is not exactly human as they are unnaturally long and unsettling. His appearance is identical to what we saw in the holograms but there’s a “real” Snoke in the next installment of the Skywalker saga. We don’t know exactly how much screen time Snoke has in Episode VIII. But we do know the puppet is pretty impressive and appears to be articulated in such a way it seems it is more than an elaborate stand-in. The film may show Kylo Ren, General Hux, and Phasma meeting with Snoke, after the destruction of Starkiller Base. It has been confirmed that the film begins mere moments after Star Wars: The Force Awakens. It would seem the puppet Snoke would be more powerful and interesting to look at than a CGI character, of which audiences are continually critiquing the visuals. I am really excited to see a puppet over seven feet in size that might kick Luke Skywalker’s butt. That’s pretty exciting and I can’t wait to learn more about the innovations and new ground transversed by Rian Johnson and the crew of Star Wars: Episode VIII. This article appears to be false. I just read a new one today stating that all appearances of Snoke in TLJ will be motion capture.
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