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Post by Salzmank on Sept 10, 2017 23:21:40 GMT
OK, throwing some ideas around for alfromni 's list: Gainsborough Pictures was a major British film company. Its sister company was Gaumont-British Picture Corporation. A producer-director who worked for the latter company (but later branched off on his own) was Herbert Wilcox, who directed a film based on Amy Johnson's life, entitled They Flew Alone ('42).
Unfortunately, I've run out of connections there--trying to find anything that relates to water rats and Saturn (the planet, the god, or what?)--to no avail thus far. Now, Amy Johnson did set a record in flying from London to South Africa in '32, but the connection there seems a bit too tenuous.
Up the creek without a paddle at the moment. Anyone have any other ideas? |
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Post by Salzmank on Sept 10, 2017 23:22:28 GMT
Salzmank - Re Metacomet et al. There is one obvious connection, and that is that they've all had biographies written about them, but I'm sure that's not the connection you're looking for.  No, not that... |
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Post by Salzmank on Sept 11, 2017 0:21:22 GMT
I think I've got the solution to alfromni 's puzzle now. Somewhere embarrassed I didn't get it before because, after my last few comments, it was staring me right in the face. The link is... Will Hay
 Hay was a British comedian in several movies (mostly comedies) who worked from 1935 to 1940 at Gainsborough Pictures. He was the member of a British fraternal organization called the Grand Order of the Water Rats. He gave flying lessons to Amy Johnson, spent time in South Africa to recuperate from a stroke, and was a devoted amateur astronomer who discovered the Great White Spot on Saturn. Have I got everything, Al? |
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Post by alfromni on Sept 11, 2017 0:31:28 GMT
All correct. Well done! |
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Post by sostie on Sept 11, 2017 9:44:43 GMT
sostie --- Re: Any chance of a hint or two as to where to start? It's a pretty simple link, not sure I can give any clue other than add another film to the list... Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (1969) |
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Post by alfromni on Sept 11, 2017 10:45:15 GMT
sostie --- The link may be simple. It's finding it which is the problem. Thanks.
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Post by sostie on Sept 11, 2017 10:55:49 GMT
sostie --- The link may be simple. It's finding it which is the problem. Thanks. Sorry, just can't think of a clue that wouldn't actually give it away. OK, I'll try this of the 6 films 1 has 4 1 has 2 (arguably 4) the rest have 1 |
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Post by alfromni on Sept 11, 2017 11:02:30 GMT
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Post by Salzmank on Sept 11, 2017 12:42:59 GMT
I've got one, too ( not film-related--oh, and not political, just to pre-empt any questions), though I'm trying to work on alfromni 's. Metacomet ("King Philip") Vincent Van Gogh Donald Trump Louis Dewis Bonnie Parker William Hartnell Clarence Darrow For anyone who may be working on mine-- again, think of--er--titles these individuals might have... |
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Post by alfromni on Sept 11, 2017 14:15:11 GMT
sostie --- For what it's worth...
Firstly I've never watched any Star Wars or Alien movies in my life, not one. Nor have I seen The Thing. Neither Sci-Fi nor Horror movies attract my enthusiasm one iota. That said...
1. John Williams wrote the score for two on the list, but not others.
2. As far as I can discover, few, if any, of the actors participated in more than one of the movies on the list, likewise producers, writers and directors, although I may have missed something.
3. Locations of production were different.
4. They were all box office winners
5. Both Zulu and The Thing have prequels, but not I think sequels, but I'm not sure of the others regarding prequels, but I'm led to believe (by my son) that Star Wars does.
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So after all that I'll take a guess that all movies have been given a prequel. I only know the name of one and that's Zulu Dawn, which depicted events the day before Zulu.
If that's not the answer, then I'm stumped.
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Post by sostie on Sept 11, 2017 17:52:27 GMT
sostie --- For what it's worth...
Firstly I've never watched any Star Wars or Alien movies in my life, not one. Nor have I seen The Thing. Neither Sci-Fi nor Horror movies attract my enthusiasm one iota. That said...
1. John Williams wrote the score for two on the list, but not others.
2. As far as I can discover, few, if any, of the actors participated in more than one of the movies on the list, likewise producers, writers and directors, although I may have missed something.
3. Locations of production were different.
4. They were all box office winners
5. Both Zulu and The Thing have prequels, but not I think sequels, but I'm not sure of the others regarding prequels, but I'm led to believe (by my son) that Star Wars does.
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So after all that I'll take a guess that all movies have been given a prequel. I only know the name of one and that's Zulu Dawn, which depicted events the day before Zulu.
If that's not the answer, then I'm stumped. Your final choice is the correct one...well done |
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Post by alfromni on Sept 11, 2017 21:21:07 GMT
sostie --- Thanks sostie. Didn't know that also applied to Sundance. Interesting. Must check that out.
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Post by alfromni on Sept 11, 2017 23:26:27 GMT
Salzmank - Re: Metacomet puzzle...
1. Metacomet ("King Philip")
2. Vincent Van Gogh
3. Donald Trump
4. Louis Dewis
5. Bonnie Parker
6. William Hartnell
7. Clarence Darrow
The connections I have, apply in each case to maybe three on the list, but not all.
a) Doctor.
This could apply to #6 (Dr Who), and #3 who has been awarded several honorary doctorships. I can't find any qualifications for #7 but it's possible he had a doctorship tucked away somewhere. This connection stops there.
b) Firsts.
I could be wrong but it's possible that #1 was the fist Amerindian chieftan (probably the last too) to be given a European royal title. #3 is the first non-politician to become POTUS. #4 managed the first retail chain stores. #6 starred in the first Carry-on movie, and was the first Dr Who. Can't see any firsts for the others so this connection has also stalled.
c) Art.
#s 2 & 4 are obvious as they are both artists. #7 had a tenuous interest, but there this connection abruptly stops
d) Royal titles
#1 is obvious, There have been monarchs called William and Louis, and the brother of Edward IV & Richard III, namely Clarence, allegedly ended up in a butt of malmsey wine. Bonnie Prince Charlie is too tenuous for #5, and how #s 2 & 3 figure in this connection beats me.
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That's as far as I've got, and it ain't looking too good. 
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Post by Salzmank on Sept 12, 2017 0:10:20 GMT
Salzmank - Re: Metacomet puzzle...
1. Metacomet ("King Philip")
2. Vincent Van Gogh
3. Donald Trump
4. Louis Dewis
5. Bonnie Parker
6. William Hartnell
7. Clarence Darrow
The connections I have, apply in each case to maybe three on the list, but not all.
a) Doctor.
This could apply to #6 (Dr Who), and #3 who has been awarded several honorary doctorships. I can't find any qualifications for #7 but it's possible he had a doctorship tucked away somewhere. This connection stops there.
b) Firsts.
I could be wrong but it's possible that #1 was the fist Amerindian chieftan (probably the last too) to be given a European royal title. #3 is the first non-politician to become POTUS. #4 managed the first retail chain stores. #6 starred in the first Carry-on movie, and was the first Dr Who. Can't see any firsts for the others so this connection has also stalled.
c) Art.
#s 2 & 4 are obvious as they are both artists. #7 had a tenuous interest, but there this connection abruptly stops
d) Royal titles
#1 is obvious, There have been monarchs called William and Louis, and the brother of Edward IV & Richard III, namely Clarence, allegedly ended up in a butt of malmsey wine. Bonnie Prince Charlie is too tenuous for #5, and how #s 2 & 3 figure in this connection beats me.
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That's as far as I've got, and it ain't looking too good. OK, let's see if I can help as you helped me with your puzzle last night... The most tenuous connection is #4, but--if you know the pattern and research this person, it will fall into place. You are correct on #6--"Doctor," from Doctor Who. The program itself doesn't matter, but the title does. Something in your column (b) represents the title for someone--not #3!  --and finding titles is important here for most of them. Titles, or qualities that describe someone (as in my "Chess" puzzle). Once you've found all those titles and/or qualities, it all fits into a--shall we say?--well-known pattern. Hope that helps! |
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Post by alfromni on Sept 12, 2017 0:51:34 GMT
SalzmankPondering for a moment on Cluedo characters, but they don't really fit. Still thinking.
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Post by Salzmank on Sept 12, 2017 0:52:55 GMT
Salzmank Pondering for a moment on Cluedo characters, but they don't really fit. Still thinking. No, but that's a lovely idea for a puzzle. Mind if I borrow it? |
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Post by alfromni on Sept 12, 2017 0:56:45 GMT
Salzmank~~~"Mind if I borrow it?"~~~ Go ahead.
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Post by alfromni on Sept 12, 2017 2:04:13 GMT
I think I have it
They all come under the old poem:
Tinker, Tailor,
Soldier, Sailor,
Rich Man, Poor Man, Beggar Man, Thief,
Doctor, Lawyer, Merchant, Chief
Metacomet - Chief
Donald Trump - Rich man
Vincent van Gogh - Poor man/ Beggarman?
Louis Dewis - Merchant
Bonnie Parker - Tailor (a seamstress)/Thief
William Hartnell - Doctor
Clarence Darrow -Lawyer
But I can't fit in "Tinker".
Am I right? |
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Post by Salzmank on Sept 12, 2017 2:04:33 GMT
Salzmank --- I think I may have it.
They all come under the old poem:
Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Sailor,
Rich Man, Poor Man, Beggar Man, Thief,
Doctor, Lawyer, Merchant, Chief
Metacomet - Chief
Donald Trump - Rich man
Louis Dewis - Merchant
Bonnie Parker - Tailor (a seamstress)/Thief
William Hartnell - Doctor (Who)/Soldier (Carry-on))
Clarence Darrow -Lawyer
But I can't fit in "Tinker".
Am I right? You've got it! I know that in the British version the rhyme goes, "Tinker, tailor, soldier, sailor," etc., but I thought that would be a trifle too obvious, especially as the adaptation of Le Carré's Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy brought the poem into public awareness again.
So I went with the shorter American version, which I originally learned: "Rich Man, Poor Man, Beggar Man, Thief,/ Doctor, Lawyer, Indian Chief." I had Van Gogh for "poor man"--he lived impoverished for years and died in the same way--and Dewis for "beggar man," as one of his most well-known paintings in entitled The Old Beggar. Though "merchant" works ever better for him. |
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Post by alfromni on Sept 12, 2017 2:08:43 GMT
Salzmank I missed out VvG but it was only an oversight in transposition. Rectified. It was Bonnie Parker who cracked it for me. I've one coming up but not yet compiled completely.
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--and finding titles is important here for most of them. Titles, or qualities that describe someone (as in my "Chess" puzzle).