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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jul 31, 2017 15:40:09 GMT
Court document alleges that Pete Rose committed statutory rape in the 1970s
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A sworn statement by an unidentified woman, contained in a motion filed Monday in John Dowd's defense against Pete Rose's defamation lawsuit, alleges that Rose had a sexual relationship with the woman for several years in the 1970s, before she turned 16.
In the majority of states, including Ohio -- where both the woman and Rose lived at the time -- the age of legal consent is 16, so her allegation amounts to statutory rape.
Rose acknowledged he had a sexual relationship with the woman in court documents made public Monday. He was 34, married and the father of two children in 1975, when he says he began having sex with the woman, referred to in the filing as "Jane Doe." Rose said he does not recall how long the relationship lasted.
Dowd claimed in a 2015 radio interview that Rose had underage girls delivered to him at spring training and committed statutory rape.
In the interview, with a station in West Chester, Pennsylvania, Dowd said, "Michael Bertolini told us, you know, he not only ran bets, but ran young girls down at spring training, ages 12 to 14. Isn't that lovely? So that's statutory rape every time you do that."
Dowd's motion asks the court to compel Rose to answer questions such as whether he had sex with other high school girls. Rose's attorneys objected to several defense questions, in part due to what they said is his right to privacy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 16:22:25 GMT
Court document alleges that Pete Rose committed statutory rape in the 1970s 10:41 AMA sworn statement by an unidentified woman, contained in a motion filed Monday in John Dowd's defense against Pete Rose's defamation lawsuit, alleges that Rose had a sexual relationship with the woman for several years in the 1970s, before she turned 16. In the majority of states, including Ohio -- where both the woman and Rose lived at the time -- the age of legal consent is 16, so her allegation amounts to statutory rape. Rose acknowledged he had a sexual relationship with the woman in court documents made public Monday. He was 34, married and the father of two children in 1975, when he says he began having sex with the woman, referred to in the filing as "Jane Doe." Rose said he does not recall how long the relationship lasted. Dowd claimed in a 2015 radio interview that Rose had underage girls delivered to him at spring training and committed statutory rape. In the interview, with a station in West Chester, Pennsylvania, Dowd said, "Michael Bertolini told us, you know, he not only ran bets, but ran young girls down at spring training, ages 12 to 14. Isn't that lovely? So that's statutory rape every time you do that." Dowd's motion asks the court to compel Rose to answer questions such as whether he had sex with other high school girls. Rose's attorneys objected to several defense questions, in part due to what they said is his right to privacy. Rose is such a scumbag as a human being. The ultimate low life and 'white trash'. But I still think he belongs in the Hall  |
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jul 31, 2017 16:34:40 GMT
I think that most people love Pete Rose on the field and think he's a donkey's dick off of it. I thought that before this came out. Until he goes OJ though I'd like to see him in the Hall of Fame (but I get why he isn't in yet).
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jul 31, 2017 17:59:06 GMT
Court document alleges that Pete Rose committed statutory rape in the 1970s 10:41 AMA sworn statement by an unidentified woman, contained in a motion filed Monday in John Dowd's defense against Pete Rose's defamation lawsuit, alleges that Rose had a sexual relationship with the woman for several years in the 1970s, before she turned 16. In the majority of states, including Ohio -- where both the woman and Rose lived at the time -- the age of legal consent is 16, so her allegation amounts to statutory rape. Rose acknowledged he had a sexual relationship with the woman in court documents made public Monday. He was 34, married and the father of two children in 1975, when he says he began having sex with the woman, referred to in the filing as "Jane Doe." Rose said he does not recall how long the relationship lasted. Dowd claimed in a 2015 radio interview that Rose had underage girls delivered to him at spring training and committed statutory rape. In the interview, with a station in West Chester, Pennsylvania, Dowd said, "Michael Bertolini told us, you know, he not only ran bets, but ran young girls down at spring training, ages 12 to 14. Isn't that lovely? So that's statutory rape every time you do that." Dowd's motion asks the court to compel Rose to answer questions such as whether he had sex with other high school girls. Rose's attorneys objected to several defense questions, in part due to what they said is his right to privacy. 12-14 years old? That's sick. Standards might have been different back then (not condoning it). "Hey she looked 18 to me, snicker". But 12-14 is utterly inexcusable. But its not cause to further his exclusion from the HOF. His gambling is enough for that. If personal behavior is taken into account, that building will empty real quick. Ty Cobb - mean spirited jerkoff Tris Speaker - active Klansman Cap Anson - virulent racist Babe Ruth - degenerate Rogers Hornsby - complete 100% asshole Rube Waddell - lunatic Pete Alexander - drunk Mickey Mantle - womanizing drunk Ted Williams - arrogant prick Ferguson Jenkins - doper and on and on. If this is true, the Rose might be the worst of them all. All of their sins together doesn't add up to having 12 year old girls brought in to pleasure yourself. And its no mitigating circumstance for his inclusion. All of the quoted transgressions can't get you banned from baseball. Betting on baseball can. |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jul 31, 2017 19:43:48 GMT
Court document alleges that Pete Rose committed statutory rape in the 1970s 10:41 AMA sworn statement by an unidentified woman, contained in a motion filed Monday in John Dowd's defense against Pete Rose's defamation lawsuit, alleges that Rose had a sexual relationship with the woman for several years in the 1970s, before she turned 16. In the majority of states, including Ohio -- where both the woman and Rose lived at the time -- the age of legal consent is 16, so her allegation amounts to statutory rape. Rose acknowledged he had a sexual relationship with the woman in court documents made public Monday. He was 34, married and the father of two children in 1975, when he says he began having sex with the woman, referred to in the filing as "Jane Doe." Rose said he does not recall how long the relationship lasted. Dowd claimed in a 2015 radio interview that Rose had underage girls delivered to him at spring training and committed statutory rape. In the interview, with a station in West Chester, Pennsylvania, Dowd said, "Michael Bertolini told us, you know, he not only ran bets, but ran young girls down at spring training, ages 12 to 14. Isn't that lovely? So that's statutory rape every time you do that." Dowd's motion asks the court to compel Rose to answer questions such as whether he had sex with other high school girls. Rose's attorneys objected to several defense questions, in part due to what they said is his right to privacy. 12-14 years old? That's sick. Standards might have been different back then (not condoning it). "Hey she looked 18 to me, snicker". But 12-14 is utterly inexcusable. But its not cause to further his exclusion from the HOF. His gambling is enough for that. If personal behavior is taken into account, that building will empty real quick. Ty Cobb - mean spirited jerkoff Tris Speaker - active Klansman Cap Anson - virulent racist Babe Ruth - degenerate Rogers Hornsby - complete 100% asshole Rube Waddell - lunatic Pete Alexander - drunk Mickey Mantle - womanizing drunk Ted Williams - arrogant prick Ferguson Jenkins - doper and on and on. If this is true, the Rose might be the worst of them all. All of their sins together doesn't add up to having 12 year old girls brought in to pleasure yourself. And its no mitigating circumstance for his inclusion. All of the quoted transgressions can't get you banned from baseball. Betting on baseball can. Agreed on all counts. But you might want to Google more info on Cobb. Apparently, all the bad stuff about him was made up, and can be traced to one man, who was a known liar. |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jul 31, 2017 19:56:15 GMT
12-14 years old? That's sick. Standards might have been different back then (not condoning it). "Hey she looked 18 to me, snicker". But 12-14 is utterly inexcusable. But its not cause to further his exclusion from the HOF. His gambling is enough for that. If personal behavior is taken into account, that building will empty real quick. Ty Cobb - mean spirited jerkoff Tris Speaker - active Klansman Cap Anson - virulent racist Babe Ruth - degenerate Rogers Hornsby - complete 100% asshole Rube Waddell - lunatic Pete Alexander - drunk Mickey Mantle - womanizing drunk Ted Williams - arrogant prick Ferguson Jenkins - doper and on and on. If this is true, the Rose might be the worst of them all. All of their sins together doesn't add up to having 12 year old girls brought in to pleasure yourself. And its no mitigating circumstance for his inclusion. All of the quoted transgressions can't get you banned from baseball. Betting on baseball can. Agreed on all counts. But you might want to Google more info on Cobb. Apparently, all the bad stuff about him was made up, and can be traced to one man, who was a known liar. No, I knew that most of the "Cobb the Monster" crap came from Al Stump (see the movie Cobb with T.L. Jones). Cobb was a racist, but a white person born in rural Georgia 11 years after the Civil War wasn't going to be too enlightened on race. He actually built hospital that admitted blacks later in life. But he could still be a jackass. He beat up a guy in a wheelchair. He routinely spiked people, with razor sharp spikes. He treated his teammates like shit. He decked a black man he knew from Georgia for saying "hello" to him. He was no Rogers Hornsby, but he was no Christy Mathewson either. |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jul 31, 2017 19:59:15 GMT
Agreed on all counts. But you might want to Google more info on Cobb. Apparently, all the bad stuff about him was made up, and can be traced to one man, who was a known liar. No, I knew that most of the "Cobb the Monster" crap came from Al Stump (see the movie Cobb with T.L. Jones). Cobb was a racist, but a white person born in rural Georgia 11 years after the Civil War wasn't going to be too enlightened on race. He actually built hospital that admitted blacks later in life. But he could still be a jackass. He beat up a guy in a wheelchair. He routinely spiked people, with razor sharp spikes. He treated his teammates like shit. He decked a black man he knew from Georgia for saying "hello" to him. He was no Rogers Hornsby, but he was no Christy Mathewson either. That is exactly the stuff that was made up. Google it further. |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jul 31, 2017 20:14:01 GMT
No, I knew that most of the "Cobb the Monster" crap came from Al Stump (see the movie Cobb with T.L. Jones). Cobb was a racist, but a white person born in rural Georgia 11 years after the Civil War wasn't going to be too enlightened on race. He actually built hospital that admitted blacks later in life. But he could still be a jackass. He beat up a guy in a wheelchair. He routinely spiked people, with razor sharp spikes. He treated his teammates like shit. He decked a black man he knew from Georgia for saying "hello" to him. He was no Rogers Hornsby, but he was no Christy Mathewson either. That is exactly the stuff that was made up. Google it further. Umm, he did beat up the fan. He was suspended for it. He shredded Home Run Baker's leg with his spikes. The story of the groundskeeper was in both the recent bios of Cobb, Ty Cobb: A Terrible Beauty by Charles Leersen and War on the Basepaths: The Definitive Biography of Ty Cobb by Tim Hornbaker. This stuff was embellished, was made to look worse than it was, but it still happened. |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jul 31, 2017 20:22:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 20:22:12 GMT
That is exactly the stuff that was made up. Google it further. Umm, he did beat up the fan. He was suspended for it. He shredded Home Run Baker's leg with his spikes. The story of the groundskeeper was in both the recent bios of Cobb, Ty Cobb: A Terrible Beauty by Charles Leersen and War on the Basepaths: The Definitive Biography of Ty Cobb by Tim Hornbaker. This stuff was embellished, was made to look worse than it was, but it still happened. Somebody needs to take me to school on Rose. I'm assuming he didn't have power numbers but was a great percentage hitter and knew how to 'pull' and 'push' - i.e. be a slap hitter when needed. But I'll watch highlights and I see this small lil brute looking like the Hunchback of Notre Dame with a bowl haircut that could really pull the ball when needed. Quick bat - ala when I grew up watching Dykstra and then Chase Utley - was he in Dykstra's and Utley's mold? I mean - they called him 'Charlie Hustle' - Dykstra's nickname was 'Nails' and Utley was tough as nails who I regard as the greatest 2nd baseman in Phils history who yes - could flash some power - but he was as tough as they come and could bat for average and get on base and was more of the mold of your 'top of the lineup' hitter in the 2 or 3 hole. |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jul 31, 2017 20:26:23 GMT
Umm, he did beat up the fan. He was suspended for it. He shredded Home Run Baker's leg with his spikes. The story of the groundskeeper was in both the recent bios of Cobb, Ty Cobb: A Terrible Beauty by Charles Leersen and War on the Basepaths: The Definitive Biography of Ty Cobb by Tim Hornbaker. This stuff was embellished, was made to look worse than it was, but it still happened. Somebody needs to take me to school on Rose. I'm assuming he didn't have power numbers but was a great percentage hitter and knew how to 'pull' and 'push' - i.e. be a slap hitter when needed. But I'll watch highlights and I see this small lil brute looking like the Hunchback of Notre Dame with a bowl haircut that could really pull the ball when needed. Quick bat - ala when I grew up watching Dykstra and then Chase Utley - was he in Dykstra's and Utley's mold? I mean - they called him 'Charlie Hustle' - Dykstra's nickname was 'Nails' and Utley was tough as nails who I regard as the greatest 2nd baseman in Phils history who yes - could flash some power - but he was as tough as they come and could bat for average and get on base and was more of the mold of your 'top of the lineup' hitter in the 2 or 3 hole. My dad swore he was the best player "ever", simply because of his monumental effort. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 22:21:21 GMT
Somebody needs to take me to school on Rose. I'm assuming he didn't have power numbers but was a great percentage hitter and knew how to 'pull' and 'push' - i.e. be a slap hitter when needed. But I'll watch highlights and I see this small lil brute looking like the Hunchback of Notre Dame with a bowl haircut that could really pull the ball when needed. Quick bat - ala when I grew up watching Dykstra and then Chase Utley - was he in Dykstra's and Utley's mold? I mean - they called him 'Charlie Hustle' - Dykstra's nickname was 'Nails' and Utley was tough as nails who I regard as the greatest 2nd baseman in Phils history who yes - could flash some power - but he was as tough as they come and could bat for average and get on base and was more of the mold of your 'top of the lineup' hitter in the 2 or 3 hole. My dad swore he was the best player "ever", simply because of his monumental effort. Did he ever have home run power? Or was he pretty much a glorified 'Tony Gwynn' - he'd nab you a single and he was 'Charlie Hustle' so he could stretch it into a double? I ask because comparing to to Dykstra and Utley - I'll leave Dykstra out of this because of the Juice - Utley during the Phils epic run from 2007-2011 could actually display some power. Short, small, quick swing and if he connected and pulled the ball - it was gone in the bat of an eyelash. Let's say it's the bottom of the ninth and two outs. Reds are down 3-0 and and bases are loaded. 3-2 count with Rose at the plate. Was he the type of guy who if he wanted to could end things with one swing? Or was he still looking for that 'situational hit' to knock in a couple of runs and get on base and keep the game going? |
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jul 31, 2017 23:01:07 GMT
My dad swore he was the best player "ever", simply because of his monumental effort. Did he ever have home run power? Or was he pretty much a glorified 'Tony Gwynn' - he'd nab you a single and he was 'Charlie Hustle' so he could stretch it into a double? I ask because comparing to to Dykstra and Utley - I'll leave Dykstra out of this because of the Juice - Utley during the Phils epic run from 2007-2011 could actually display some power. Short, small, quick swing and if he connected and pulled the ball - it was gone in the bat of an eyelash. Let's say it's the bottom of the ninth and two outs. Reds are down 3-0 and and bases are loaded. 3-2 count with Rose at the plate. Was he the type of guy who if he wanted to could end things with one swing? Or was he still looking for that 'situational hit' to knock in a couple of runs and get on base and keep the game going? His nickname was Charlie Hustle. He played as if every pitch was game 7 of the World Series. He had 8 seasons of double digit home runs but none after 1976. I don't think stylistically he was all that similar to Tony Gwynn. According to Baseball Reference the most similar batter to him was Paul Molitor, and Gwynn wasn't in the top 10 of that list. His ultimate goal was to do anything to win, and that usually meant him getting on base. The RBI's were for the likes of Johnny Bench, Tony Perez, and Mike Schmidt. |
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Post by NJtoTX on Jul 31, 2017 23:09:20 GMT
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jul 31, 2017 23:20:51 GMT
My dad swore he was the best player "ever", simply because of his monumental effort. Did he ever have home run power? I don't think so, man, but he was just slightly before my time. I only remember seeing him play when he hit #4192 off Eric Show ( ESPN cut over to show it ) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 0:12:56 GMT
The cardinal rule in baseball is do not bet on baseball. The punishment is a lifetime ban. The HOF has a rule that players given lifetime bans are ineligible.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 0:22:45 GMT
Did he ever have home run power? Or was he pretty much a glorified 'Tony Gwynn' - he'd nab you a single and he was 'Charlie Hustle' so he could stretch it into a double? I ask because comparing to to Dykstra and Utley - I'll leave Dykstra out of this because of the Juice - Utley during the Phils epic run from 2007-2011 could actually display some power. Short, small, quick swing and if he connected and pulled the ball - it was gone in the bat of an eyelash. Let's say it's the bottom of the ninth and two outs. Reds are down 3-0 and and bases are loaded. 3-2 count with Rose at the plate. Was he the type of guy who if he wanted to could end things with one swing? Or was he still looking for that 'situational hit' to knock in a couple of runs and get on base and keep the game going? His nickname was Charlie Hustle. He played as if every pitch was game 7 of the World Series. He had 8 seasons of double digit home runs but none after 1976. I don't think stylistically he was all that similar to Tony Gwynn. According to Baseball Reference the most similar batter to him was Paul Molitor, and Gwynn wasn't in the top 10 of that list. His ultimate goal was to do anything to win, and that usually meant him getting on base. The RBI's were for the likes of Johnny Bench, Tony Perez, and Mike Schmidt. Meh. When I think of Paul Molitor I think of a vanilla guy with a ton of hits with no real power. So that's how I'm going to look at this dirtbag - he was a runt slap hitter who hustled. That's great if you're 'Rudy' - but you kind of suck. Nice story.  |
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Aug 1, 2017 0:40:51 GMT
His nickname was Charlie Hustle. He played as if every pitch was game 7 of the World Series. He had 8 seasons of double digit home runs but none after 1976. I don't think stylistically he was all that similar to Tony Gwynn. According to Baseball Reference the most similar batter to him was Paul Molitor, and Gwynn wasn't in the top 10 of that list. His ultimate goal was to do anything to win, and that usually meant him getting on base. The RBI's were for the likes of Johnny Bench, Tony Perez, and Mike Schmidt. Meh. When I think of Paul Molitor I think of a vanilla guy with a ton of hits with no real power. So that's how I'm going to look at this dirtbag - he was a runt slap hitter who hustled. That's great if you're 'Rudy' - but you kind of suck. Nice story. He may have been a "runt slap hitter", but he was the best one that ever was. Three rings and a trophy case full of awards. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 0:49:35 GMT
Meh. When I think of Paul Molitor I think of a vanilla guy with a ton of hits with no real power. So that's how I'm going to look at this dirtbag - he was a runt slap hitter who hustled. That's great if you're 'Rudy' - but you kind of suck. Nice story. He may have been a "runt slap hitter", but he was the best one that ever was. Three rings and a trophy case full of awards. Meh. Gimme McGwire and Sosa juicin' goin' yard 60 times a year. Then you've got my attention. You can have Tony Gwynn, Paul Molitor, Pete Rose - hell - throw Placido Polanco and Ben Revere in there to since they were nice lil singles hitters........ This guy wants to be entertained. |
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Aug 1, 2017 0:57:55 GMT
He may have been a "runt slap hitter", but he was the best one that ever was. Three rings and a trophy case full of awards. Meh. Gimme McGwire and Sosa juicin' goin' yard 60 times a year. Then you've got my attention. You can have Tony Gwynn, Paul Molitor, Pete Rose - hell - throw Placido Polanco and Ben Revere in there to since they were nice lil singles hitters........ This guy wants to be entertained. Then you're not really a baseball fan. Just get whatever baseball game is on PS4. |
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