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Post by marlonbrawndo on Feb 27, 2017 14:44:25 GMT
I think TV drama, beginning with The Sopranos, continuing through series like Deadwood, to Breaking Bad, and on into the current Game of Thrones, and others, is better than most of what is being released theatrically.
Comedies, such as cable's brilliant Curb Your Enthusiasm, or network's Community, are so much sharper than, say the movies of Apatow or Ferrell, that there's really no comparison.
The only genres where film might be superior are the action and superhero ones.
Agree, or not?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 15:36:15 GMT
Completely agree. Only a few films a year worth watching imo.
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Post by Courwes on Feb 27, 2017 15:38:41 GMT
You can just do more with television. With film you only have 2-3 hours to tell a story. In TV you can get 100 hours or more to develop characters, a world, and story (barring its a successful show).
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Post by THawk on Feb 27, 2017 16:42:35 GMT
Exactly how in the absolute hell is something like Deadwood or Game of Thrones actually good?
Breaking Bad I understand, what was actually a well done and legitimate Tv show focused heavily on character development.
But Game of Thrones, for instance, its entire appeal is softcore pornography. You can claim "I watch if the stories and the characters" but that is the same as someone claiming they read Playboy for the articles. It is porn that masquerades and makes a mockery of legitimate art, and I do not in a thousand years understand how anyone considers it quality.
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Post by ashverses on Feb 27, 2017 16:44:10 GMT
Agree. Seems like creators have more freedom to create a passion project. We've seen more film stars take roles in certain TV series (Big Little Liars has a crazy cast of film stars)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 17:19:08 GMT
In a way yes. Movie could do the same thing but for the past 20 years films have become more and more like music video montages. It's all about trying to fit as much action or sexual type stuff in as possible. How many times have you seen a newish film and at the end thought "Wow, nothing really happened!"
Character development, storyline, motives, depth of any sort is now gone. You don't need a dozen episodes to do that, old films do it quite well in sometimes 60 minutes.
That said TV can also stray and change characters too much or just become ridiculous. Hell on Wheels is a good example started so well and ended up like some kind of weird horror film where the character The Swede was like this can't be killed psycho.
I like the English method where they run a show for a set amount of seasons and actually tell a story rather than run it into the ground like America tends to.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 18:28:36 GMT
Exactly how in the absolute hell is something like Deadwood or Game of Thrones actually good? Breaking Bad I understand, what was actually a well done and legitimate Tv show focused heavily on character development. But Game of Thrones, for instance, its entire appeal is softcore pornography. You can claim "I watch if the stories and the characters" but that is the same as someone claiming they read Playboy for the articles. It is porn that masquerades and makes a mockery of legitimate art, and I do not in a thousand years understand how anyone considers it quality. Few people definitely on the Spectrum have somehow figured out how to post here
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Post by marlonbrawndo on Feb 27, 2017 19:14:44 GMT
Exactly how in the absolute hell is something like Deadwood or Game of Thrones actually good? Breaking Bad I understand, what was actually a well done and legitimate Tv show focused heavily on character development. But Game of Thrones, for instance, its entire appeal is softcore pornography. You can claim "I watch if the stories and the characters" but that is the same as someone claiming they read Playboy for the articles. It is porn that masquerades and makes a mockery of legitimate art, and I do not in a thousand years understand how anyone considers it quality. Few people definitely on the Spectrum have somehow figured out how to post here I hear you, innsmouth. That was my impression of GoT, reinforced when I watched part of the first episode and the scene that introduced Tyrion (The Imp) showed him enjoying the company of several prostitutes. However, a friend whose taste I respect recommended it highly, and I gave it another chance. I found the writing, acting, and production quality to be exceptional, and the commentaries on power (and the unholy alliances formed to acquire and hold onto it), wealth (or the appearance of it), religion (and its influence on politics), class, and much more to be very finely-honed. Certainly, if you are put off by nudity or sex, you'll find plenty to offend you in GoT. I felt it was made less prurient by the frequency of it. It became matter-of-fact, until it had little impact, and was never very graphic or lasciviously lingered upon. It was just shown, as was the cruelty and violence, which, in fact, bothered me more. The battle scenes often felt longer and more explicit than needed, but, again, the series is pretty full-on in all regards. I've told my friend that I would enjoy entire episodes of Tyrion simply chatting with some of the other characters, or some of Baelish's maneuverings. There is much more to the series than the lurid aspects which have drawn so much attention. But that distorted focus is more a reflection of our culture and media than the essence of the series. Regardless, if those aspects are what push your buttons, you probably should avoid Game of Thrones. But you might temper your criticism of something with which you're not very well acquainted.
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Post by debunked on Feb 27, 2017 19:20:09 GMT
Exactly how in the absolute hell is something like Deadwood or Game of Thrones actually good? Breaking Bad I understand, what was actually a well done and legitimate Tv show focused heavily on character development. But Game of Thrones, for instance, its entire appeal is softcore pornography. You can claim "I watch if the stories and the characters" but that is the same as someone claiming they read Playboy for the articles. It is porn that masquerades and makes a mockery of legitimate art, and I do not in a thousand years understand how anyone considers it quality. You don't like Deadwood? That's quite a sweeping generalization regarding Game of Thrones. That's like stating Breaking Bad's appeal (a show you think is 'well done') is towards the production, distribution and use of drugs. If I wanted to watch porn, I would do a quick google search and watch some - I wouldn't watch Game of Thrones. And for all its faults, Game of Thrones has plenty of character development, and has really really transcended genre television.
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Post by LaurenceBranagh on Feb 28, 2017 0:28:19 GMT
Maybe. Twin Peaks surpasses almost every film I've ever seen, but there's still a lot of bad network television every year. It's really difficult to judge.
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Post by thebayharborbutcher on Feb 28, 2017 3:02:59 GMT
In my opinion, from a creative standpoint TV is currently superior to film. There's some good films to pop up out of the indie market, but studio films are completely lost. They are all plot driven spectacle showcases. Very few studio films actually care about characters and their development.
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Post by marlonbrawndo on Mar 2, 2017 2:17:26 GMT
In my opinion, from a creative standpoint TV is currently superior to film. There's some good films to pop up out of the indie market, but studio films are completely lost. They are all plot driven spectacle showcases. Very few studio films actually care about characters and their development. I agree completely. It seems to me that, in theatrical films now, the studios are mostly concerned with packaging, clustering focus group approved actors with scripts written around special effects sequences. Occasionally, something meets that criteria, and actually turns out to be entertaining and witty, like Deadpool. But it's rare. It would appear that the best creative talent is being drawn to TV, specifically cable (Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul), and services like Netflix (House of Cards). Films appear to be targeting adolescents, who are more likely to be eager to get out of the house, and also a better market for the very profitable, overpriced offerings at the refreshment counter.
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Post by sariz on Mar 2, 2017 8:53:14 GMT
Yess the most significant prove is how tv in recent years since the sopranos have created much more iconic characters than film in quantity and quality
Tv has created since the 2000s
Tony Soprano Jack Bauer Michael Scotfield Dr Gregory House Walter White Dexter Don Drapper Tyron Lannister Jamie Lannister Arya Stark Cersei Lannister Raymond Redington Remy Hadley better known as thirteen Damon Salvatore Sooki steakhouse Eric Northman Sheldon-The Big bang Theory chuck bass blair Waldorf
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Maximus The jocker (The dark knight trilogy) Elle Woods Edward Cullen Katnis everdeen Amy Dune Harley Queen Christian Grey
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Post by politicidal on Mar 2, 2017 17:56:34 GMT
Agreed overall. Film still has the edge when it comes to scale and spectacle. But television's variety and creativity right now is on crack.
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Post by misternick on Mar 2, 2017 18:14:51 GMT
T.V. drama has the ability to tell a story over a long about of time whereas film is constricted to about 2 hours which is pretty fast considering.
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Post by marlonbrawndo on Mar 5, 2017 4:57:29 GMT
Yess the most significant prove is how tv in recent years since the sopranos have created much more iconic characters than film in quantity and quality Tv has created since the 2000s Tony Soprano Jack Bauer Michael Scotfield Dr Gregory House Walter White Dexter Don Drapper Tyron Lannister Jamie Lannister Arya Stark Cersei Lannister Raymond Redington Remy Hadley better known as thirteen Damon Salvatore Sooki steakhouse Eric Northman Sheldon-The Big bang Theory chuck bass blair Waldorf Film created Maximus The jocker (The dark knight trilogy) Elle Woods Edward Cullen Katnis everdeen Amy Dune Harley Queen Christian Grey You make your point very convincingly, and elegantly. As a bonus, you like a lot of the same stuff I do. One name I'd add to your TV list is Al Swearingen.
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Post by sariz on Mar 5, 2017 9:04:29 GMT
Yess the most significant prove is how tv in recent years since the sopranos have created much more iconic characters than film in quantity and quality Tv has created since the 2000s Tony Soprano Jack Bauer Michael Scotfield Dr Gregory House Walter White Dexter Don Drapper Tyron Lannister Jamie Lannister Arya Stark Cersei Lannister Raymond Redington Remy Hadley better known as thirteen Damon Salvatore Sooki steakhouse Eric Northman Sheldon-The Big bang Theory chuck bass blair Waldorf Film created Maximus The jocker (The dark knight trilogy) Elle Woods Edward Cullen Katnis everdeen Amy Dune Harley Queen Christian Grey You make your point very convincingly, and elegantly. As a bonus, you like a lot of the same stuff I do. One name I'd add to your TV list is Al Swearingen. Thanks so much for your compliments though many of the ones ive mentioned i haven't really seen them i just recognized them as iconic because of how much i hear and read about them. So in case you wonder my favorite tv characters are:Gregory House, Jack Bauer, Michael Scotfield, Blair Waldorf, thirteen and Redington.
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Post by marlonbrawndo on Mar 7, 2017 21:36:50 GMT
You make your point very convincingly, and elegantly. As a bonus, you like a lot of the same stuff I do. One name I'd add to your TV list is Al Swearingen. Thanks so much for your compliments though many of the ones ive mentioned i haven't really seen them i just recognized them as iconic because of how much i hear and read about them. So in case you wonder my favorite tv characters are:Gregory House, Jack Bauer, Michael Scotfield, Blair Waldorf, thirteen and Redington. I think your point is still valid, sariz. The TV names you listed are recognized by many more people than recent film characters. Not that that necessarily means the TV series are qualitatively better, but I think the work is attracting discriminating viewers who might not have considered TV on par with films.
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Post by sariz on Mar 8, 2017 3:09:13 GMT
Thanks so much for your compliments though many of the ones ive mentioned i haven't really seen them i just recognized them as iconic because of how much i hear and read about them. So in case you wonder my favorite tv characters are:Gregory House, Jack Bauer, Michael Scotfield, Blair Waldorf, thirteen and Redington. I think your point is still valid, sariz. The TV names you listed are recognized by many more people than recent film characters. Not that that necessarily means the TV series are qualitatively better, but I think the work is attracting discriminating viewers who might not have considered TV on par with films. Thank you so much. and yes tv has made much more recognizable characters recently, outside of Super heroes film haven't made any interesting character. Though i just watched Sherlock Holmes with Downey Jr and I think he is the best of the modern portrayals of the character. Downey Jr is the most charming and charismatic of the three new Sherlocks and the most believable as the cocky smart guy better than anyone. He is the one who mKes the most sense that Shore was inspired on Holmes to create House. The scruffy look, the attitude ad the pranks with Watson. You see those movies by Guy Ritchie and you think i bet Dr House was inspired on this character but yeah outside of Holmes tv is doing a much better work creating interesting and iconic characters
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Post by marlonbrawndo on Mar 10, 2017 23:41:40 GMT
I think your point is still valid, sariz. The TV names you listed are recognized by many more people than recent film characters. Not that that necessarily means the TV series are qualitatively better, but I think the work is attracting discriminating viewers who might not have considered TV on par with films. Thank you so much. and yes tv has made much more recognizable characters recently, outside of Super heroes film haven't made any interesting character. Though i just watched Sherlock Holmes with Downey Jr and I think he is the best of the modern portrayals of the character. Downey Jr is the most charming and charismatic of the three new Sherlocks and the most believable as the cocky smart guy better than anyone. He is the one who mKes the most sense that Shore was inspired on Holmes to create House. The scruffy look, the attitude ad the pranks with Watson. You see those movies by Guy Ritchie and you think i bet Dr House was inspired on this character but yeah outside of Holmes tv is doing a much better work creating interesting and iconic characters In the time I've been on these boards, I've found much that I agree with in your opinions, and always enjoy your posts. In the case of casting Sherlock, I respectfully disagree. I read the books as a kid, and was always fascinated by the character. Having first seen Basil Rathbone's treatment of Sherlock, I've often been disappointed by the casting of the character, until seeing Cumberbatch play him. I felt that, at last, an actor captured the intellect, the ego, arrogance, and aloofness, and the obsessiveness of Holmes. Robert Downey, Jr. (one of my favorite actors) can certainly play all of that, but it was my feeling that a bit too much of Downey peeps through in his interpretation. Both actors are good choices, but I feel Cumberbatch disappears into the character more completely.
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